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Posted: 2/6/2021 12:09:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Panzer M4 came in today. Added a Benelli field stock. Now to find a 7rd tube since you savages bought all the Dave’s tubes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414212/2DE29B5F-2AAA-4224-86E5-7DA0E8AD0AA1_jpe-1812595.JPG That was fast! Did you disassemble it yet? How do the gas pistons look. I saw some pics of someones that one piston was finished all the way. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 1:12:51 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: That was fast! Did you disassemble it yet? How do the gas pistons look. I saw some pics of someones that one piston was finished all the way. Both of the pistons were stainless/chrome. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 1:27:54 AM EDT
[#3]
DeltaMike NZ added a Backorder option to the listing. I had sent an email requesting preordering the stock and they responded with,
We usually avoid taking orders until we have stock on hand, but quite have people have asked so I’ve enabled backorders on the stocks. Feel free to let your other forum members know. We’ll be able to make sure we bring in enough stocks for everyone who backorders. Cheers, Alex Telescoping Stock |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:35:44 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onealphay2k: DeltaMike NZ added a Backorder option to the listing. I had sent an email requesting preordering the stock and they responded with, We usually avoid taking orders until we have stock on hand, but quite have people have asked so I’ve enabled backorders on the stocks. Feel free to let your other forum members know. We’ll be able to make sure we bring in enough stocks for everyone who backorders. Cheers, Alex Telescoping Stock Perhaps it was already mentioned but what's the shipping run for most people in the US? |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 4:54:45 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tom_servo11: Perhaps it was already mentioned but what's the shipping run for most people in the US? They have a flat rate of $35 NZD for international shipping which is about $25 US. My total cost shipped was $106 US dollars. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:12:03 AM EDT
[#6]
Does anyone know where the Delta Mike stock is made? I guess it’s too much to hope that it’s US made and would count as a 922r part.
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:15:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ipsilateral_7]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BorderDave: Does anyone know where the Delta Mike stock is made? I guess it’s too much to hope that it’s US made and would count as a 922r part. I'm betting it's also Turkish What I'd like to see is what sling mount options the collapsible stock has |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:32:28 AM EDT
[#8]
Does this Mesa Tactical kit from Botach work with the Panzer? If so, is it a good deal?
https://botach.com/mesa-benelli-m4-tactical-upgrade-w-6rd-polymer-shell-carrier-aluminum-top-rail/ |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 12:44:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#9]
My panzer order got screwed up. Anyways I grabbed SDS SAX2 from Aim. Hopefully DAve's tube fits fine. Looks like all the other to me.
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USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 2:32:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BorderDave: Does anyone know where the Delta Mike stock is made? I guess it's too much to hope that it's US made and would count as a 922r part. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 2:42:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By katzma: It's Turkish. Made by Sulun. Thanks. I ended up ordering the Mesa Tactical kit from Botach. I believe that stock is US made. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 4:46:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RandyBuck]
[#12]
Someone hurry up and give me a reason not to fo on the SDS at AIM
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Posted: 2/6/2021 5:43:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FIELD_MP: Someone hurry up and give me a reason not to fo on the SDS at AIM Do it, you deserve it. 
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Posted: 2/6/2021 6:02:45 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahnglw: Do it, you deserve it. Damn right, I do. Anyone seen other models without the chrome bolt? Any concern over one not being chrome? |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 6:10:21 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: My panzer order got screwed up. Anyways I grabbed SDS SAX2 from Aim. Hopefully DAve's tube fits fine. Looks like all the other to me. Classic? It should fit. Everything I’ve read, these are probably all made in the same factory. I mean, how many turkish arms makers are making m4 clones? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 6:36:22 PM EDT
[#16]
No I screwed up my panzer order. I just ordered the one from Aim. Zero info about it. However, when I ordered a few of the Four Peaks there wasn’t one video or review then either. Now they are showing up. If I don’t like it I’ll hang it on the wall for sale.
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Posted: 2/6/2021 7:49:32 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: No I screwed up my panzer order. I just ordered the one from Aim. Zero info about it. However, when I ordered a few of the Four Peaks there wasn’t one video or review then either. Now they are showing up. If I don’t like it I’ll hang it on the wall for sale. The AIM gun looks the same as the panzer and toros |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 8:49:56 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: The AIM gun looks the same as the panzer and toros I just handled the capolla T4 tonight and I can’t see any difference other than the price. |
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Posted: 2/7/2021 12:36:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Findsman]
[#19]
Got the OEM recoil tube off.
Major kudos to StrangerDanger’s guide over at the Benelli Forum to getting it loose. Since the mag tube was so easy with the propane torch, figured this would be quick too. Nope.  Very obviously they used green thread locker as mentioned in the post, so I spent a good few minutes hearing that nut up. Eventually the whole tube twisted off before that nut came loose. Whatever, I’m not reusing it. After heating it sufficiently, it did twist off with arm pressure, I held the receiver in my other hand to get enough torque, didn’t use a vise.  Attached File Attached FileUsed a brass brush to clean up the receiver threads but the receiver is still hot enough to melt the plastic on the brush handle. Installation will follow after this bastard cools down. Also, sling options on the collapsing stock. There’s a gap at the top for a simple sling and QD cups on both sides for QD swivel, of which it includes one. It’s an ideal setup.  Attached FileETA - Tools used. Use gloves, this gets very very hot all over the tube and receiver!  Attached FileAlso heated that nut up for another minute and broke it loose. Very liberal amounts of threadlocker. It smells bad when it lets go.   Attached File |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 9:38:16 PM EDT
[#20]
Neat thread. I used to have an unnatural infatuation to the old beretta 1201 shotguns, and this might just be enough to push me into one of these Turks. Is it just me, or is it just plain fun swapping benelli parts onto a gun where it doesn’t belong?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 11:47:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Anyone with a copolla t4 put on a urbino stock?
Any issues? |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:32:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#22]
My panzer is here. Bolt is chrome. Magazine tube installed in 5 minutes. Was not even hand tight (doesn’t have to be due to the design) don’t bother trying to take off the magazine tube extension, you don’t have to and it’s locked on there.
Will install the collapsible stock from NZ when it arrives tomorrow if I can. If not, Wednesday morning. So far I’m impressed. Can’t shoot it til weather clears up. Edit: used a map/pro torch to remove the buffer tube. Hopefully didn’t get it too hot. It was quick work with that. Going to sell my mesa stock with cheek riser and use the collapsible. I did hold it up against the factory stock and you probably save at least 2” off the length of pull. Edit: took my recoil tube and all that crap off...and USPS lost my collapsible stock somewhere in San francisco. If they don’t find it soon I’m going to be heartbroken!  |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 2:26:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Got my stock in today.... very nice. Off to gunsmith tomorrow to install hammer ( will take some fitting as it’s not a drop in and stock if hammer goes well.
   
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2021 10:48:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Got my M4 in today. Benelli m4 stock fit good. Needed a little shim to tighten it up a little. Mepro night sights fit well. Sight screws do not have detents. 7rd tube fits perfect. Need to get the inner tube cap. Waiting on my collapsible stock (still butt hurt over it lol) got ~100 rds down range so far. Low brass bulk pack. Initially would cycle at all. Just fire 25rds win bulk and had 4 stoppages. Smoothed all the contact points with 400 grit emery cloth, think that really helped. Action isn't gritty anymore.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 8:44:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: My panzer order got screwed up. Anyways I grabbed SDS SAX2 from Aim. Hopefully DAve's tube fits fine. Looks like all the other to me. I went back and forth between this and the Four Peaks/Toros. Ultimately I went with the Toros since I couldn't find as much feedback on the SDS. I'll be interested in hearing your impressions. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 1:03:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#26]
I talked to AIM first thing Monday. I sent over my FFL info and they said it would ship right out. That was Monday, and hasn't shipped yet. We'll see. Hopefully it's nice.
Question. I already have the 7 round mag tube waiting. Now I'm reading about a Nordic adapter that threads on, and you can buy their +3 to bring it to 10. I wonder how long that will be!!!! Anyone tried it? EDIT** I checked and they have provided shipping now and the order now says complete. So I should have it hopefully tomorrow if they ship today. They aren't too far from me at all. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 1:10:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SNAFU-M1A]
[#27]
I got an email, Classic Firearms now has the SDS Radikal for sale as well. $600, same price as Aim.
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Posted: 2/9/2021 1:17:46 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: I got an email, Classic Firearms now has the SDS Radikal for sale as well. $500, same price as Aim. $599 yeah looks the same as the panzer. Maybe these companies can only import so many at a time and have to go through various importers to get more in. |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 1:40:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: I talked to AIM first thing Monday. I sent over my FFL info and they said it would ship right out. That was Monday, and hasn't shipped yet. We'll see. Hopefully it's nice. Question. I already have the 7 round mag tube waiting. Now I'm reading about a Nordic adapter that threads on, and you can buy their +3 to bring it to 10. I wonder how long that will be!!!! Anyone tried it? EDIT** I checked and they have provided shipping now and the order now says complete. So I should have it hopefully tomorrow if they ship today. They aren't too far from me at all. Good deal. Classic is super slow to ship. I’m a few days short of being a month and it hasn’t shipped yet. |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 3:17:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Findsman]
[#30]
My A&S trigger guard/housing arrived today. Transplanting the bits and pieces over took about 20 minutes, everything fit very nicely. Function check after is good, hammer doesn't drop when it shouldn't, does when it should.
The machined aluminum of the A&S unit is very high quality compared to the almost throwaway quality of the OEM polymer one. Highly recommend it.One difference that I noted, which also happens for "real" Benelli M4s, charging the shotgun from hammer down with the safety on with the aluminum group is not possible. Apparently this is taught in Benelli armorer school; the polymer groups flex just enough to allow the bolt to come back, while the aluminum ones don't flex and therefore block it. Not a huge deal, I don't have any muscle memory to fight here. The bolt's locking back for two reasons: one, you ran dry shooting; two, you've just uncased it at the range and are ready to load up. Situation 1, well, you were already safety off, so what. Situation 2, flip your safety off, lock the bolt back, flip the safety on, commence loading.  Receiver looks gold from the lighting in my office, pretty cool. So the final setup: - US mag tube from Dave's Metal Works - US follower from NDZ Performance - US handguards from Freedom Fighter Tactical - US trigger housing from A&S Engineering - US Kley-Zion enlarged bolt handle - Sulun Tac-12 stock kit I need to stop spending money on this thing now.  |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 3:42:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryI need to stop spending money on this thing now. I feel the same way. Now You've got me googling A&S... Sheesh... When does it end? Although whom am I fooling. I do this with every gun I own... I am not obsessive with anything other then Firearms... Strange..... |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 7:22:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Panzer arrived yesterday. Bolt is chrome and the mag tube was just hand tight. The only flaw is the front sight base is off center and positioned around the 11:00 position. Oh well, will get it out to the range this weekend.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 8:36:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Interesting that there are different bolt colors on the Panzers. Reports are that guns in the 0005xx range (and perhaps all other guns prior to that?) have chrome bolts and ones with higher serials have black bolts. Sounds like Classic may be shipping guns in a last in, first out order since the chrome bolts are just now showing up.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 8:37:21 PM EDT
[#34]
My SAX2 will be here tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what I think tomorrow night.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 9:34:28 PM EDT
[#35]
My chrome bolt Panzer has serial number 10XX.
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USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 10:01:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: katzma]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hogan44256: My chrome bolt Panzer has serial number 10XX. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 10:45:32 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hogan44256: My chrome bolt Panzer has serial number 10XX. Well, there goes that theory... |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:49:27 AM EDT
[#38]
If anyone is looking for a nice travel case for a couple M4's there is a deal posted in the Amazon Team thread that probably wont last long. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Amazon-clearance-deals-Team-member-edition/75-1697216/&page=882&anc=91033066#i91032616
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USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:49:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: katzma]
[#39]
FYI on the Panzer Arms M4, if you replace the blocked 5rd tube with a aftermarket 7rd tube and you need the tube stopper ring, there is one in the 5rd tube. Heat up and remove the aluminum blocker and pull it out.
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Posted: 2/10/2021 3:11:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#40]
I'm installing the collapsible stock now, does it have the spring already inside the recoil tube? Do I need to re-use anything from the old assembly? Can't figure out how to get the collapsible stock off the tube. I thought someone said it could be removed like a traditional AR style stock but its not depressing down enough to pull off the tube.
Seems I don’t need anything from the old assembly. 
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Posted: 2/10/2021 3:44:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onealphay2k: If anyone is looking for a nice travel case for a couple M4's there is a deal posted in the Amazon Team thread that probably wont last long. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Amazon-clearance-deals-Team-member-edition/75-1697216/&page=882&anc=91033066#i91032616 I think I got the last one. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 4:05:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Crap, Aim already sold out on the SDS.
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Posted: 2/10/2021 5:32:03 PM EDT
[#43]
My panzer showed up today.
Once the crazy dies down I will buy a mag tube extension and hopefully a collapsible stock. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 5:43:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: I'm installing the collapsible stock now, does it have the spring already inside the recoil tube? Do I need to re-use anything from the old assembly? Can't figure out how to get the collapsible stock off the tube. I thought someone said it could be removed like a traditional AR style stock but its not depressing down enough to pull off the tube. Seems I don’t need anything from the old assembly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243189/BDBE3BB9-FFCE-477E-B997-BD7B845B5717-1818996.jpg Looks awesome! But no, you didn't need anything from the old tube. The mind-boggling thing about that stock kit is it's a 100% ready to go set with a complete recoil tube assembly, grip, and stock for under $150. The equivalent Benelli parts total around $600-$700 if you got a "good" deal on the stock and grip.  I dunno how purist all Benelli guys are, but I could see a huuuuuuuuuge market for these for Sulun and a competent importer to sell to.I did pull my stock off but it required using gloves to get enough purchase on the latch to pull it down far enough. As it turns out, removing the stock from the tube is not required at all for installation as you discovered. I just like making my life harder. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 7:32:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#45]
MY SAX-2 came in from AIM today. Black bolt. Rear sight is setup wrong, as it's tilted. I will look into it tomorrow. I have the 7 round tube I will throw on tomorrow. Overall fit and finish are great. Great feeling shotgun. I'll post up pics after I replace the tube.
Edit** Actually had a few minutes and tore her apart. Man that tube is in there good. I'll have to heat it up tomorrow. I got excited when others were saying it was barely hand tight. Oh well. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:10:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#46]
Alright. So I wouldn't have been able to sleep, so I put the 7 round tube on. I used a heat gun on the tube itself. That wasn't so bad. The plug was the pain. Man I finally hit it with a torch and she twisted right off. Pulled the cap out, changed out follower and spring. I think the worst part was fumbling with the hand guards forever. Then it hit me. I felt so dumb. I must have tried 20 times.
The rear sight looks wonky. Then I thought it might be the front sight. One is canted to the right. I believe it's the rear. I'll have to put it on the bench this weekend and get that situated. They both still line up, just one is canted to the right. Other then that I'm digging her. Just need the stock and I'll be good to go.  
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 10:42:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: Alright. So I wouldn't have been able to sleep, so I put the 7 round tube on. I used a heat gun on the tube itself. That wasn't so bad. The plug was the pain. Man I finally hit it with a torch and she twisted right off. Pulled the cap out, changed out follower and spring. I think the worst part was fumbling with the hand guards forever. Then it hit me. I felt so dumb. I must have tried 20 times. The rear sight looks wonky. Then I thought it might be the front sight. One is canted to the right. I believe it's the rear. I'll have to put it on the bench this weekend and get that situated. They both still line up, just one is canted to the right. Other then that I'm digging her. Just need the stock and I'll be good to go. https://i.imgur.com/dTaSb2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/B7TZBdH.jpg I have a Charles Daly and I found the front sight canted too. I found that the barrel can twist very slightly when inserting into the receiver. I found that I can correct the can’t when twisting the barrel when inserting into the receiver. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2021 1:22:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556_Chowder: I have a Charles Daly and I found the front sight canted too. I found that the barrel can twist very slightly when inserting into the receiver. I found that I can correct the can’t when twisting the barrel when inserting into the receiver. Yeah I had tried that. Much appreciated though! I believe my rear scope is off tilt. I'ts flush on the chamber side, but not on the other side. So it's angled a bit. I'll see what I can do with it. It's not horrible, just bothers me. And I didn't realize that the rear assembly is bolted in from the inside. THat makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 3:38:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bcamp15]
[#49]
Ok. This thread is going to cost me money, how did I not know about these? I posted in the charles daly thread not realizing this is the better place to post.
I have always wanted an m4...sbs m4 of course. This may be the best and cheapest way for me to make that happen. I am always late to the party, so hopefully I can find something instock soon. |
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Posted: 2/11/2021 3:44:00 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bcamp15: Ok. This thread is going to cost me money, how did I not know about these? I posted in the charles daly thread not realizing this is the better place to post. I have always wanted an m4...sbs m4 of course. This may be the best and cheapest way for me to make that happen. I am always late to the party, so hopefully I can find something instock soon. I’ve had a real M4 for about 15 years but I’m still considering one of these clones as a beater.
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