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Originally Posted By Park-Hit-Run: Has anyone asked or answered this - are there any reports of issues rifles cracking? Between Austria / Australia / etc in the GWOT until now you’d think this issue, if it exists on their rifles, would have shown itself many times over. The average issued rifle especially for training new young conscripts has got to be tens if not 100+ thousand rounds. Are the two made on different tooling? US vs Austrian tooling? Sorry if these are dumb questions but with the production numbers of these rifles and variants there should only be a small handful of possible reasons why they are cracking. Will Styer send me 10,000 rounds of xm193 or m855 to put through my rifle to see if it’s one of the bad ones? I didn’t think so. We need and DEMAND to understand why this is happening and there needs to be a recall and replacement of the affected firearms or their reputation is officially compromised in my opinion. They explained it to me - material change. They are ALL compromised as far as im concerned. |
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Originally Posted By Park-Hit-Run: Has anyone asked or answered this - are there any reports of issues rifles cracking? Between Austria / Australia / etc in the GWOT until now you’d think this issue, if it exists on their rifles, would have shown itself many times over. The average issued rifle especially for training new young conscripts has got to be tens if not 100+ thousand rounds. Are the two made on different tooling? US vs Austrian tooling? Sorry if these are dumb questions but with the production numbers of these rifles and variants there should only be a small handful of possible reasons why they are cracking. Will Styer send me 10,000 rounds of xm193 or m855 to put through my rifle to see if it’s one of the bad ones? I didn’t think so. We need and DEMAND to understand why this is happening and there needs to be a recall and replacement of the affected firearms or their reputation is officially compromised in my opinion. It's very likely that the plastic formulation for the stocks is specifically detailed in the TDP or whatever they call it in Austria, just like barrel material, trigger pull weight etc. So changing the formula "because covid" probably wouldn't cut it. It's also probably that they had a lot of stocks in storage as a consumable replacement and they/we may not hear about any problems, at least for a while if they ever talk about it, which I doubt. In my time in the Army (US) I've seen a few stocks and especially handguards break, especially in the old A1 rifles. But I dont think anyone would have assumed there was a flaw or defect in material. We abused the shit out of them and sometimes they broke. If the AUGs stock breaking was common, I think we would have heard of something by now, even if anecdotally from the military. So either the military stocks are made totally different (material and or the molds) OR the occasional stocks breaking were not beyond the regular rate. |
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Originally Posted By Park-Hit-Run: Has anyone asked or answered this - are there any reports of issues rifles cracking? Between Austria / Australia / etc in the GWOT until now you’d think this issue, if it exists on their rifles, would have shown itself many times over. The average issued rifle especially for training new young conscripts has got to be tens if not 100+ thousand rounds. Are the two made on different tooling? US vs Austrian tooling? Sorry if these are dumb questions but with the production numbers of these rifles and variants there should only be a small handful of possible reasons why they are cracking. Will Styer send me 10,000 rounds of xm193 or m855 to put through my rifle to see if it’s one of the bad ones? I didn’t think so. We need and DEMAND to understand why this is happening and there needs to be a recall and replacement of the affected firearms or their reputation is officially compromised in my opinion. Similar situation happened with CZ. The Scorpion Evo has been available for mil and EU market since 2011.. Then in 2015ish when it was released in the US people started noticing cracked feedlips on their translucent mags… CZ in Europe never admitted there was an issue and clearly told me theyve never heard of the issue before in my emails but at the same time they were replacing mags for free. Then in 2018/2019 they developed a completely new Gen2 mag |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It's very likely that the plastic formulation for the stocks is specifically detailed in the TDP or whatever they call it in Austria, just like barrel material, trigger pull weight etc. So changing the formula "because covid" probably wouldn't cut it. It's also probably that they had a lot of stocks in storage as a consumable replacement and they/we may not hear about any problems, at least for a while if they ever talk about it, which I doubt. In my time in the Army (US) I've seen a few stocks and especially handguards break, especially in the old A1 rifles. But I dont think anyone would have assumed there was a flaw or defect in material. We abused the shit out of them and sometimes they broke. If the AUGs stock breaking was common, I think we would have heard of something by now, even if anecdotally from the military. So either the military stocks are made totally different (material and or the molds) OR the occasional stocks breaking were not beyond the regular rate. Aug stock is really a lower receiver. Much more critical and much more beefy |
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Originally Posted By casktcrw: Aug stock is really a lower receiver. Much more critical and much more beefy Yeah, I agree. It's basically like the whole lower receiver with stock, grip, trigger group etc in an AR. It also seems like the only thing likely to break on an AUG. Like the stock/pistol grip/handguard on an AR which armorers always had on hand as replacements. Not sure how the Austrian Mil. treated the stock...unit level replacement or depot level. The things are so modular, I'd have a bunch of extra stocks on hand just in case. |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: New material, or just a current production stock? Originally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By casktcrw: Just saw a new stock on Reddit; looks brown New material, or just a current production stock? That’s the same brownish green color that Steyr used to use years ago. I have items in that same color. I would assume they went back to an old polymer formulation. |
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Originally Posted By 80085: That’s the same brownish green color that Steyr used to use years ago. I have items in that same color. I would assume they went back to an old polymer formulation. Originally Posted By 80085: Originally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By casktcrw: Just saw a new stock on Reddit; looks brown New material, or just a current production stock? That’s the same brownish green color that Steyr used to use years ago. I have items in that same color. I would assume they went back to an old polymer formulation. How far back? Cuz say 2019 was supposed to be pre-crack. Were 2019 stocks brown? |
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Originally Posted By 80085: That’s the same brownish green color that Steyr used to use years ago. I have items in that same color. I would assume they went back to an old polymer formulation. Originally Posted By 80085: Originally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By casktcrw: Just saw a new stock on Reddit; looks brown New material, or just a current production stock? That’s the same brownish green color that Steyr used to use years ago. I have items in that same color. I would assume they went back to an old polymer formulation. Can you post pictures of whatever you have? |
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I started a thread asking about the cracked stocks before buying an AUG in 2022, and was assured by multiple posts that it was “just 3 stocks on Reddit” and a non-issue. I purchased an AUG, then sold it as I saw more photos popping up of cracked stocks. I’d love to own one again, it was one of those guns that just felt right. But no way would I put the (not insignificant) money down until I’m sure the problem has been 100% corrected. It’s a niche rifle, and by this point most people in that niche have heard of the issue. I’m sure Steyr failing to quickly and openly address it has hurt their reputation for the long term. |
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Originally Posted By Beyond_Visual_Range: I got a white NATO pattern in 2022....i wonder if it is affected. Anyone had white stock crack too? https://www.reddit.com/r/AUG/s/Va7AERwQiT I’d assumed every color cracked but I don’t think I’ve seen black ones. Hope someone can post a pic. White, mud, and green for sure. I assume black is also susceptible but who knows. |
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Originally Posted By CJofFL: The first response at the link you posted claims to have cracked their black stock. I know there was a thread here that also confirmed black ones crack too. Originally Posted By CJofFL: Originally Posted By henryfrank:I'd assumed every color cracked but I don't think I've seen black ones. |
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Originally Posted By henryfrank: Has there been any update on this or any acknowledgment? Some were speculating that newer stocks were fixed but wasn’t sure. No real stock news. The only news we have is that the entire Aug company was bought by a Czech group a couple months ago. Fixing legacy issues on the Aug may not be their top priority through integration. |
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Originally Posted By FrozenIceman: No real stock news. The only news we have is that the entire Aug company was bought by a Czech group a couple months ago. Fixing legacy issues on the Aug may not be their top priority through integration. Yea. That’s very true. Seems weird that there have appeared to be clusters of broken stocks from different dates and then long periods of no issues. Wonder how many stocks are affected. Are people just not shooting them much now? Not much info on a proper 300blk range report with different cans even |
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Originally Posted By henryfrank: Yea. That’s very true. Seems weird that there have appeared to be clusters of broken stocks from different dates and then long periods of no issues. Wonder how many stocks are affected. Are people just not shooting them much now? Not much info on a proper 300blk range report with different cans even And people could be having stock issues that never get reported on forums/social media, they just contact Steyr who sends them a replacement. Hopefully Steyr has resolved this issue. |
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| My two examples (one green, one black, both waffle pattern) have about 500 rounds each and going strong so far. The black one ate the leftside dustcover though during a 2-gun match and I am looking for a solution. Both also now have the suppressor gas plugs and red spring kits installed. |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: My two examples (one green, one black, both waffle pattern) have about 500 rounds each and going strong so far. The black one ate the leftside dustcover though during a 2-gun match and I am looking for a solution. Both also now have the suppressor gas plugs and red spring kits installed. Both AUG's still going strong without any cracks. About 1K rounds and 3 2-gun matches. BTW I got an e-mail from Steyr USA and they have stocks back in stock (at least green standard stocks, I didn't check other colors). I ordered a green one just in case either of mine ever crack. I'm confident in Steyr CS but don't want to be without in case I have to send one back. $360 for a stock without butt plate or pin or trigger pack seems steep but "Made in Austria"... |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: My two examples (one green, one black, both waffle pattern) have about 500 rounds each and going strong so far. The black one ate the leftside dustcover though during a 2-gun match and I am looking for a solution. Both also now have the suppressor gas plugs and red spring kits installed. Tell me more about "eating the left side dust cover" please? The bolt carrier on mine rubs the left side dust cover and I always wondered if it was supposed too... |
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Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Tell me more about "eating the left side dust cover" please? The bolt carrier on mine rubs the left side dust cover and I always wondered if it was supposed too... It is a design defect of the Aug platform that the community and the vendor more or less ignored and treated as a consumable. The two piece dust cover in the non ejection side gets caught in the Action as the rifle cycles and gets sucked in causing a jam. The community just buys a new one (multiple times), gets a stock without dust covers, or cover the hole in tape because that is better than their design. Manticore is looking into an after market solution. Details here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/My-AUG-ate-the-left-side-ejection-port-cover-Solutions-/43-552103/ |
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Originally Posted By FrozenIceman: It is a design defect of the Aug platform that the community and the vendor more or less ignored and treated as a consumable. The two piece dust cover in the non ejection side gets caught in the Action as the rifle cycles and gets sucked in causing a jam. The community just buys a new one (multiple times), gets a stock without dust covers, or cover the hole in tape because that is better than their design. Manticore is looking into an after market solution. Details here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/My-AUG-ate-the-left-side-ejection-port-cover-Solutions-/43-552103/ Thank you for the info! Wish I could just swap out the stock to one without the left side port. Hopefully Manticore is still working on a solution. 
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Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Thank you for the info! Wish I could just swap out the stock to one without the left side port. Hopefully Manticore is still working on a solution. I’m pretty positive you CAN swap to a NATO stock. Not sure if it requires a NATO trigger pack, though. |
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You definitely can change the stock over to use nato Mags. You would need the NATO mag trigger pack. I highly recommend it. It's actually nicer for use with a suppressor because you don't get gas leakage and you don't have to worry about the offside ejection port cover. . If you want waffle mags with no left side ejection port you could use a 9mm stock. The nine Mill stocks have a slight difference in the recoil rods and have some antibounce weights in them (even the semi-auto ones) that actually make the 556 shoot smoother. They don't have an ejection port on the left side because there is no left eject bolt for the 9 mil. So you don't have to worry about the ejection port cover on the offside and also it makes it much nicer for using with a suppressor because you don't get gas leakage. Additionally the ejection port is much larger on the 9mm stock you can see inside and even reach inside. It also includes a built-in brass and gas deflector. Why do I say and gas? Because it actually does help especially if you're shooting suppressed 9 mil with it being straight blowback. Oh plus all the nine Mill stocks are Austrian made and all predate the cracking issues so you know you're safe. |
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Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Thank you for the info! Wish I could just swap out the stock to one without the left side port. Hopefully Manticore is still working on a solution. Just FYI, that guy's info is quite misleading. The AUG port cover isn't a consumable part, at all. The BCG will rub a bit on the metal inside piece which is normal and it won't affect anything. It is only "consumable" when it fails to stay in place b/c the US made stock with more recent production covers tend to work loose very easily for some reason. Pre-2020 production AUG A3M1, A3, USR/A2, and original A1 do not have this issue. I've been in the AUG game for more than a decade and I've owned more than a dozen AUG rifles and have all the AUG models minus CQC. I've never seen this type of issue before until recently. Like other more experienced AUG owners, we've also not seen cracking stocks until recently. It is sad how more recent production parts with their flaws have really impacted the reputation of the AUG design. Now people are saying this is inherently a design flaw, which is NOT the case at all. |
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Yes, this 👍 That dude doesn't know what he's talking about or is purposely spreading bad info about the ejection port cover. The gazillion AUG military rifles of the various versions plus the civilian A1 the A2 the USR and the A3 SA all never had issues. If I was buying an AUG right now I would look for a used a3sa. I really would skip the A3 M1 just so I wouldn't have to wonder about it. Peace of mind has some value. |
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Originally Posted By texasyid: I did not know that Steyr made an AUG stock in the US. This is pretty much a connecting the dots exercise from the community and myself. From comments in FB group and Reddit, Austrian and European civilian market AUGs from recent production don't have stock crack issue. The more recent US made receivers (confirmed by Steyr employee on FB group) with "production date wheel" mold mark is the same as the recent production stock. Per ATF production number on Steyr USA, the company was doing exactly 1380 rifles per year in 2019. In 2020 they did 3043 rifles. In 2021 they did 9444 rifles per year. I can see more and more parts are being made in the US including stocks to keep up with this production increase. AUGs are literally everywhere nowadays for cheaper than ever before. |
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Originally Posted By texasyid: Can You show a pic of an AUG stock with Made in USA on it.? For the A3, A3M1 and A3M2, I don't think there is a marking showing where the stock is being made. It just says "Steyr Arms, AUG / SA". On A1, USR, and A2, it does at least say Austria. AFAIK companies don't always mark where the parts are from even when they are for 922r purpose. I don't typically see country of origin marking on all of the compliance parts on imported rifles. My SCAR, VHS2, Bren2, Bren 805, Tavor, Galil ACE, and AUG don't have it on all the compliance parts (nor do I know all the US parts) but I'm sure they passed it for commercial sales. |
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Originally Posted By jkirkon: I checked my AUG stocks (A3M1) and do not see a country of origin marked on them. Originally Posted By jkirkon: I checked my AUG stocks (A3M1) and do not see a country of origin marked on them. Yep. As mentioned above, the AUG A1, A2, USR do at least mention "Austria" on the stock. My A3 and A3M1 only have "STEYR ARMS,INC. AUG / SA" marked on the gun. For NATO stocks, they are completely blank where there is absolutely no text on the right side of the stock. Originally Posted By texasyid: Mine say this on the right side of the stock just in front of the takedown pin hole. I have never seen any AUG that does not have this marking. Steyr-Mannlicher Austria AUG / SA You can check around the internet for more reference pictures on this and you'll see what I'm talking about. Plenty of pictures on guns without mentions of "Austria" on the stocks. My A1 stocks are marked "STEYR-DAIMLER-PUCH AG AUSTRIA" on the top line and "AUG / SA" on the bottom line. My USR stocks are marked "STEYR-MANNLICHER AUSTRIA" on the top line and "USR" on the bottom line. My A3 and A3M1 stocks are marked "STEYR ARMS, INC." on the top line and "AUG / SA" on the bottom line. |
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Originally Posted By FrozenIceman: It is a design defect of the Aug platform that the community and the vendor more or less ignored and treated as a consumable. The two piece dust cover in the non ejection side gets caught in the Action as the rifle cycles and gets sucked in causing a jam. The community just buys a new one (multiple times), gets a stock without dust covers, or cover the hole in tape because that is better than their design. Manticore is looking into an after market solution. Details here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/My-AUG-ate-the-left-side-ejection-port-cover-Solutions-/43-552103/ Yup pretty much this. This happened at a 2-gun match so I was running and gunning with the AUG. Maybe, as I was bringing the gun to my face/shoulder in a hurry, I may have hit the left-side ejection cover with my face. or something dislodging it. I managed to find both parts of the cover in the grass (miraculously) and reinstalled it. I called Steyr USA complaining and they told me to glue it together and carry on  I have since shot 2 more matches with that gun and lots of other trips to the range and no other port cover problems since. It's also possible (I doubt it) that the cover as installed wrong at the factory. There is a right way and a wrong way to install them. This mystery port cover jam was another reason for me buying a new spare stock. This is a good example of using your gear at a match to bring the gremlins out. |
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Originally Posted By kiddsf: Just FYI, that guy's info is quite misleading. The AUG port cover isn't a consumable part, at all. The BCG will rub a bit on the metal inside piece which is normal and it won't affect anything. It is only "consumable" when it fails to stay in place b/c the US made stock with more recent production covers tend to work loose very easily for some reason. Pre-2020 production AUG A3M1, A3, USR/A2, and original A1 do not have this issue. I've been in the AUG game for more than a decade and I've owned more than a dozen AUG rifles and have all the AUG models minus CQC. I've never seen this type of issue before until recently. Like other more experienced AUG owners, we've also not seen cracking stocks until recently. It is sad how more recent production parts with their flaws have really impacted the reputation of the AUG design. Now people are saying this is inherently a design flaw, which is NOT the case at all. I am a new AUG owner and fell in love immediately. Is it possible that the cracks and other issues are the result of a whole new group of users? Folks that are doing a lot more with the guns like shooting 2 or 3 gun matches and various demanding shooting sports? Stressing the guns in ways not seen previously coupled with the many new guns in circulation. I've been into mil. type rifles since the 80's and my first AUG arrived this year so maybe I am not alone. In my 35+ years, I saw my first AUG at the range THIS YEAR and holding it, dry firing it got me to buy mine! Kinda like covid $$$ bringing a new class of travelers onto airplanes and subsequently causing chaos, not knowing how to act, doing stupid shit... Im not trying to be sarcastic and I can accept the likelihood that quality or something else changed with the production formula since covid fucked the world. |
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Originally Posted By texasyid: I did not know that Steyr made an AUG stock in the US. When I called Steyr USA a few months ago (to ask advice about the port cover issue) I was told that the AUG stocks are made in Austria. iirc the stock, trigger pack, and bolt are made in Austria. The barrel is half and half. Don't remember about the bolt carrier group. I believe the receiver is USA made also. edit: One of my AUG barrels has "5.56X45 Made in the USA" while the other barrel only has the caliber. |
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Originally Posted By kiddsf: Just FYI, that guy's info is quite misleading. The AUG port cover isn't a consumable part, at all. The BCG will rub a bit on the metal inside piece which is normal and it won't affect anything. It is only "consumable" when it fails to stay in place b/c the US made stock with more recent production covers tend to work loose very easily for some reason. Pre-2020 production AUG A3M1, A3, USR/A2, and original A1 do not have this issue. I've been in the AUG game for more than a decade and I've owned more than a dozen AUG rifles and have all the AUG models minus CQC. I've never seen this type of issue before until recently. Like other more experienced AUG owners, we've also not seen cracking stocks until recently. It is sad how more recent production parts with their flaws have really impacted the reputation of the AUG design. Now people are saying this is inherently a design flaw, which is NOT the case at all. Originally Posted By kiddsf: Just FYI, that guy's info is quite misleading. The AUG port cover isn't a consumable part, at all. The BCG will rub a bit on the metal inside piece which is normal and it won't affect anything. It is only "consumable" when it fails to stay in place b/c the US made stock with more recent production covers tend to work loose very easily for some reason. Pre-2020 production AUG A3M1, A3, USR/A2, and original A1 do not have this issue. I've been in the AUG game for more than a decade and I've owned more than a dozen AUG rifles and have all the AUG models minus CQC. I've never seen this type of issue before until recently. Like other more experienced AUG owners, we've also not seen cracking stocks until recently. It is sad how more recent production parts with their flaws have really impacted the reputation of the AUG design. Now people are saying this is inherently a design flaw, which is NOT the case at all. As far as your exposure to running into the design defect, you have the citation from here that talks about it. Just because you didn't run one of your 12 Aug's hard enough doesn't mean others that only have 1 non-NATO Aug haven't run into it multiple times over the decades. Once the cover is sucked into the BCG, the cover is done and the port cover can't be repaired. That is the definition of a consumable, it has to be replaced and some posters here have replaced it multiple times. If you don't want to click on the link with actual evidence of the failures that is on you. Don't spread misinformation when people in this community have posted of the failure. As TSH77769 pointed out in the other thread, a shooter modification is the current best solution to ITCHY-FINGER's report "But honestly your best option is probably just to leave the inside part off and just tape the outside portion on. It works fine and then you don't have anything on the inside to come undone." As the community pointed out, the current theory is a tight cheek weld pushing on the panel. Which may not be the case for the Military high optic mounted Augs and training. |
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Originally Posted By FrozenIceman: As far as your exposure to running into the design defect, you have the citation from here that talks about it. Just because you didn't run one of your 12 Aug's hard enough doesn't mean others that only have 1 non-NATO Aug haven't run into it multiple times over the decades. Once the cover is sucked into the BCG, the cover is done and the port cover can't be repaired. That is the definition of a consumable, it has to be replaced and some posters here have replaced it multiple times. If you don't want to click on the link with actual evidence of the failures that is on you. Don't spread misinformation when people in this community have posted of the failure. As TSH77769 pointed out in the other thread, a shooter modification is the current best solution to ITCHY-FINGER's report As the community pointed out, the current theory is a tight cheek weld pushing on the panel. Which may not be the case for the Military high optic mounted Augs and training. Don't worry, I've seen ITCHY's OP... and again, it isn't a design defect when this issue is something that popped up only recently. I know it is frustrating when people experience this issue and want to blame it as an inherent design flaw but it isn't the case. I can say the same for you to not spread misinformation (or possibly disinformation) calling it a design flaw when it is something more like a recent production QC flaw. To me, it isn't a design flaw when it is something that only popped up recently on more recent production A3M1 guns and not A1, A2/USR, A3, and earlier A3M1. My main shooter A1 has 13k rounds and multiple A3 guns with over 6k rounds. My 2 A3M1 were the only guns that I have issue with the ejection port cover coming loose after just a few hundred rounds. I can simply push on it without much force to remove the cover on my A3M1. My A1, A2/USR, A3 covers are not like this. I fixed this myself by bending a little bit on the interior 'hook' parts the metal retainer piece so it can hold on to the plastic cover better. No issue since. |
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