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Originally Posted By KogaShuko:
Looking around there are a lot of surplus isreali items laying around. I am wondering what isreal requires as far as testing for their troops and police. They seem to be pretty well down to earth as far as what is needed for combat because they are always in it. I am wondering if in some cases that stuff might be better than the steel plates that will not stop the 223 stuff. It depends... Israel does acquire some good stuff, but not all units get it. The IDF is also known for not throwing anything away. Ever. Any surplus is most likely to be very old, very worn, or both. IMHO buying armor is not the place to be messing around with used stuff of dubious provenance. |
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Originally Posted By sleepdr: I tried a search through archives & this thread without significant luck. What's the current thinking on tungsten or titanium-containing plates? Any better at stopping M193? I'd love the durability of steel, but am leaning towards ceramic since 55gr .223 is such a common round. While Ti sound like teh shizznit, W (tungsten) is hea-vy. Compare W with a density of 19.3g/cm3 and mass of 183 amu to Fe with a density of 7.8g/cm3 and mass of 55.8 amu. |
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Found a steel plate that looks like it might be better. Anyone see this?
Level III standalone, multi-hit, single-curve rifle plates, meaning they will stop a) all small arms calibers, rifle calibers up to and including .308 Winchester @ 2,750 fps. Our plates are coated with premium ballistic material to minimize any potential damage from bullet fragmentation; the same ballistic material being used to coat HMMV "Hummers" and M113 Bradley IFVs in the U.S. Military.
Testing has now been completed with 100% success! Consultation on these plates was given by a number of highly regarded professionals in the field, including: Dr. Gary K. Roberts, D.D.S. who has over two decades of experience with body armor testing practical applications Kurt Johnson, former Spec-Ops and now Vice President of Sales at Line-X Oregon Ballistics NIJ Certification Currently, no facilities are conducting NIJ certification tests. NIJ Testing will be conducted as soon as the new guidelines are released. We are confident that our plates will meet or exceed all qualifications of NIJ Level III Multi-Hit, Stand alone rifle plates. Civilian Sales At EGI Tactical, we firmly believe that everyone has the right to protect themselves. As such, we will sell plates to civilians in the states where possession of armor plates is legal. Return Policy If you are unsatisfied for any reason, we will accept resealable condition returns and reimburse you for your full costs, less shipping charges. If you prefer an exchange, we will be glad to exchange to your satisfaction. We only require that you notifiy us within 15 days of receiving your order, telling us what the problem was and what corrective action needs to be taken. Returns or exchanges are not permissable for custom design work (see below). Custom Work We do custom plate design work. Please contact us with your full requirements for a quote ([email protected]). Dealership Inquiries Prospective dealers should inquire by email at [email protected]. |
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There was a whole thread on those plates. They're not NIJ certified, so personally I wouldn't be buying something that isn't. And even if they were, the NIJ testing doesn't require it to defeat 5.56mm ammo. As I recall, the maker of those plates even said something about them not stopping 5.56 55gr stuff.
Here are two threads where these plates are discussed: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=266355 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=273914&page=1� |
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Thanks for those links, though my phone couldn't read them all. They look similar to the discussion of the Kejos & other steel plates. I finally chose ceramic for my front & side plates, given the potential of encountering 5.56 55gr in the hands of goblins. Guess I'd better bring some drinks to the X-ray techs at work, to shoot pics of all 4 plates once they arrive from the delicate hands of a shipping company.
A durable multi-hit metal plate capable of stoping M193 still would be nice, if anyone made one (& under 15lbs). Can the Ti help stop the fast movers, or does it just make plates lighter? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Originally Posted By TimW:
There was a whole thread on those plates. They're not NIJ certified, so personally I wouldn't be buying something that isn't. And even if they were, the NIJ testing doesn't require it to defeat 5.56mm ammo. As I recall, the maker of those plates even said something about them not stopping 5.56 55gr stuff. Here are two threads where these plates are discussed: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=266355 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=273914&page=1� I talked to the guy earlier this week. He said they tested them with M855 and M193. The plates stopped the M855, but only stopped M193 50% of the time. Velocity over penetrator core wins in this situation. |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a: Originally Posted By TimW: There was a whole thread on those plates. They're not NIJ certified, so personally I wouldn't be buying something that isn't. And even if they were, the NIJ testing doesn't require it to defeat 5.56mm ammo. As I recall, the maker of those plates even said something about them not stopping 5.56 55gr stuff. Here are two threads where these plates are discussed: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=266355 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=273914&page=1� I talked to the guy earlier this week. He said they tested them with M855 and M193. The plates stopped the M855, but only stopped M193 50% of the time. Velocity over penetrator core wins in this situation. So does that make you only 50% dead. M193 and off the shelf loads will be common. Small high velocity rounds will be deadly. |
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Originally Posted By Pacs:
I worry about M193, not 308. Then there is M855 too, I don't what to buy.  The best Level III+ plates out there are the AMI Tac3S. If you realistically face high velocity 5.56 as a threat, these are the plates to go with. They are expensive, no doubt, but again, if your threat assessment comes back 5.56, IMHO the cost is inconsequential. |
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn: +1 multi hit capable. Make sure you watch the video. Guys these would be the plates to have.Originally Posted By Pacs: I worry about M193, not 308. Then there is M855 too, I don't what to buy. The best Level III+ plates out there are the AMI Tac3S. If you realistically face high velocity 5.56 as a threat, these are the plates to go with. They are expensive, no doubt, but again, if your threat assessment comes back 5.56, IMHO the cost is inconsequential. |
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I'm sure they're nice plates from AMI, but they only sell to .mil & LEO.
I've got CCW licenses from 3 states including MA, a license from the DEA to possess & distribute narcotics, another narcotic license from ID, and have pursued gun training on my own dime. At any given time at work, I may be carrying thousands of dollars (street value) in controlled substances. I can't buy plates from them, because they feel I'm not responsible enough. A friend who is an LEO, though, can buy these plates. He was jailed on a DV charge, but made a good deal with the DA. He got off being busted down in rank, pay cut, and no criminal judgement that would impact his gun ownership. He is deemed more trustworthy than I to buy body armor. I'm not cop bashing, but would prefer to spend my money with someone who recognized that some of us "non-brothers" are still good guys. Are there any resellers of these plates with a better customer policy? Until such time, I'll just keep amassing ceramic plates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I'm trying to decide on some plates. I'm thinking about getting the level IV+ stand-alone plates from bulletproofme.com, but I'd like some opinions first.
How many pistol rounds can a rifle plate take before it's no good? I know that one or maybe two rifle rounds would render it useless, but there isn't much mention as to how many pistol rounds a rifle plate can take. Secondly, how well does level IV+ hold up against M193, M855, or mild steel AK-47 rounds? It seems to me that if it can stop .30-06AP traveling close to 3000fps, it should be able to stop all of those rounds as well, but I don't yet understand the physics of rifle plates. |
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Originally Posted By MagazineFed:
I'm trying to decide on some plates. I'm thinking about getting the level IV+ stand-alone plates from bulletproofme.com, but I'd like some opinions first. How many pistol rounds can a rifle plate take before it's no good? I know that one or maybe two rifle rounds would render it useless, but there isn't much mention as to how many pistol rounds a rifle plate can take. Secondly, how well does level IV+ hold up against M193, M855, or mild steel AK-47 rounds? It seems to me that if it can stop .30-06AP traveling close to 3000fps, it should be able to stop all of those rounds as well, but I don't yet understand the physics of rifle plates. Here is another thread you can check out. |
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Anyone know anything about these plates?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-NIJ-III-Dyneema-SAPI-Body-Armor-Plate-Bulletproof_W0QQitemZ250427438777QQihZ015QQcategoryZ102537QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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Originally Posted By KJB:
Anyone know anything about these plates? I can tell you the guy doesn't make his own plates, so the wording using "we make" is from the manufacturer. His soft armor was from China, as I recall from conversations with him, and I think the plates from from the Netherlands or Norway or someplace like that. |
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Originally Posted By TimW:
Originally Posted By KJB:
Anyone know anything about these plates? I can tell you the guy doesn't make his own plates, so the wording using "we make" is from the manufacturer. His soft armor was from China, as I recall from conversations with him, and I think the plates from from the Netherlands or Norway or someplace like that. I found more info here: http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/11871006/Ceramic_NIJ_Level_IV_Ballistic_Plates.html These specs are for ceramic but it's the same manufacturer COMPASS INDUSTRIAL SYSTEMS PTE LTD . In the specs it lists other plate types available. This may be the one- I'm not sure. http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/101582955/Ballistic_Silicon_Carbide_PE_Protective_Plate.html?pn=1&pt=5&total=5&cids=&tracelog=detailtop12907&newId=101582955&ptarg=y#page960 |
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Originally Posted By sleepdr:
I'm sure they're nice plates from AMI, but they only sell to .mil & LEO. I've got CCW licenses from 3 states including MA, a license from the DEA to possess & distribute narcotics, another narcotic license from ID, and have pursued gun training on my own dime. At any given time at work, I may be carrying thousands of dollars (street value) in controlled substances. I can't buy plates from them, because they feel I'm not responsible enough. A friend who is an LEO, though, can buy these plates. He was jailed on a DV charge, but made a good deal with the DA. He got off being busted down in rank, pay cut, and no criminal judgement that would impact his gun ownership. He is deemed more trustworthy than I to buy body armor. I'm not cop bashing, but would prefer to spend my money with someone who recognized that some of us "non-brothers" are still good guys. Are there any resellers of these plates with a better customer policy? Until such time, I'll just keep amassing ceramic plates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I would also love a set of these plates - but I'm a lowly civilian? WTF? |
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The manufacture ( Compass Armor out of China) http://www.compassint.cn/ sent me a PDF with the data on these ebay plates. If someone has a way to upload a PDF so we can put a link here PM or email me so I can send it to you.
From the PDF: Art. number P301 ICW-E. The Model is A-3E ICW Bulletproof PE/ceramic plate ICW IIA vest Level NIJ III+ stops M80, M193, AK47 MSC & SS109 Single curve Weight 2.30 Kg Not sure why there are two numbers. The A-3E ICW is the spec for both rectangle and shooter's cut plates. The P301 ICW-E is the part number for the Shooters cut. The rectangular plate is P301 ICW- T ICW "means in conjunction with" They claim these Level III+ are rated for 6 shots and a fall from 1 meter. |
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Technically there is no NIJ designation for III+. It's III or IV.
Ask them to send a copy of their NIJ certification test results. Also, you can go to the NIJ Body Armor Database @ http://www.justnet.org/Pages/bodyarmor.aspx In the upper right, there are several "tabs" just under the search field. Select "Body Armor DB" then you can search for the company name by using the 'advanced search' feature |
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Originally Posted By TimW:
Technically there is no NIJ designation for III+. It's III or IV. Ask them to send a copy of their NIJ certification test results. Also, you can go to the NIJ Body Armor Database @ http://www.justnet.org/Pages/bodyarmor.aspx In the upper right, there are several "tabs" just under the search field. Select "Body Armor DB" then you can search for the company name by using the 'advanced search' feature Thanks for the link. I don't see them listed. Very interesting! |
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Originally Posted By KogaShuko:
Suprised DBT isnt on there though. Perhaps they don't make their own plates, but have them made for them. Ceramic Protection Corporation (CPC) out of Canada used to make OEM plates for a number of companies before they bought PPI. I don't know if they still do that or not. This is not to imply that DBT doesn't make their own plates, or that CPC made plates for DBT. |
| Maybe because the in conjunction plates have to be tested with vests. I saw some armor from paca listed model number with model number. Plasan Sasa and DBT probably didnt have theirs done with a specific vest. Just speculation but it would explain why the list is small. |
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Originally Posted By Swat_dude:
I bought the XL Ceramic SAPI plates from Bulletproofme.com. I am larger and liked the idea of an 11 x 14 plate although it was tough to find a carrier for them. I have IIIA panels behind the plates. Will this stop the M193 when used with the backer? Yes, even without a backer it should. I've shot SAPI plates with M193 and even the cracked plates stoped M193. |
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One thing to think about those of you who have or are thinking about buying discount ceramic plates of ebay is cracking. Last year I received a so called new set of ESAPIs from ebay. They looked ok but one of them made noise when you moved it around. Further examination revealed it was flexible and not hard like it should be. I have a friend with X- ray equipment so I took it to him and found both were cracked. The one that made the noise was literally shattered under the covering, The other one was full of hairline cracks. Unfortunately the seller "disappeared" and I could not return them. Expensive lesson learned. After this I had my other sets X rayed and found cracks in 1 out of 6 plates. If it was not for the noisy plate I would never have thought to have them tested. This second cracked plate was also a uses SAPI from ebay but I've had it to long to do anything about. After this all the other guys with plates I know decided to get them checked out. Six guys with a total of 9 sets of plates. Three sets had cracks in one or both plates. The cracked ones all came from ebay. The ones that passed all but one set came from reputable dealers such as Bullet proof me and Galls.
The only good thing that came from this was we now had plates to play with. Any of the cracked plates survived multiple hits from M193. None survived hits from .308. Bottom line- don't bet your life on cheap plates from unknown sources. |
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None of the cracked plates stopped a 308. I wouldn't say the .308 sailed though but it did penetrate the plate and the 3/4 plywood behind it. The holes in the plywood were not your typical perfectly round bullet holes but larger more torn holes like from a musket ball. A level IIIa vest may have stopped them but it's hard to say and I wouldn't take the chance. The M193 didn't penetrate at all.
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Originally Posted By KJB:
None of the cracked plates stopped a 308. I wouldn't say the .308 sailed though but it did penetrate the plate and the 3/4 plywood behind it. The holes in the plywood were not your typical perfectly round bullet holes but larger more torn holes like from a musket ball. A level IIIa vest may have stopped them but it's hard to say and I wouldn't take the chance. The M193 didn't penetrate at all. Obviously these tests were in no way scientific and more a point of interest. The SAPI plates I bought from BPM state they are not stand alone and require the IIIA backer. Are these the same plates you were shooting?? Most of this thread states even the Ceramics won't stop the 193. Is the SAPI a hybrid? |
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Originally Posted By Swat_dude:
Originally Posted By KJB:
None of the cracked plates stopped a 308. I wouldn't say the .308 sailed though but it did penetrate the plate and the 3/4 plywood behind it. The holes in the plywood were not your typical perfectly round bullet holes but larger more torn holes like from a musket ball. A level IIIa vest may have stopped them but it's hard to say and I wouldn't take the chance. The M193 didn't penetrate at all. Obviously these tests were in no way scientific and more a point of interest. The SAPI plates I bought from BPM state they are not stand alone and require the IIIA backer. Are these the same plates you were shooting?? Most of this thread states even the Ceramics won't stop the 193. Is the SAPI a hybrid? I'm not sure what part of the thread you were reading but any ceramic plate should stop M193 with or without a backing. The only plates that will not stop M193 are the steel plates. The HDPE plates will stop M193 but not M855. |
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9.5" x 12.5" Level IV Stand Alone Ballistic Ceramic Plate - Mulit curve armor vest insert plate. Tested to ESAPI multi-hit standards. Weight: 8.6 lbs. Thickness: 17mm Cost to me.....$500 for the pair, manufactured 5/09, yes the pair. These look like they are both III and IV, does this look correct? |
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Originally Posted By marksman121: I have heard rumors that they will sell to someone with a CCW permit. I have not asked them so I can not confirm that it is true.Originally Posted By AndrewB: Has any company with a hybrid steel/polyethylene plate started selling to civilians yet? AMI is the only one that makes the hybrids right now IIRC and they only sell to mil/LEO. |
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My first post didn't take - but I just called AMI.
FYI: This is based on my personal conversation with someone - not company policy. Don't go call and say "some guy on ARFCOM..." BUT, Their disclaimer (LEO / MIL only) is on the website for a reason. 
However, I will say that I talked to a very pleasant gentleman about a few different topics - one of them being their armor plates. Their primary concern (for not selling to civies) is their perception of potentially providing armor to the bad guys that might use it against LEO's, because nothing short of a 300Win Mag is going to get through it. 
I know, I know - but that's their policy and, if only from a PR perspective I can understand it. I also got the feeling that, a civie with the right credentials might be "approved" for a sale under specific circumstances to be determined by the caller and of course AMI - meaning if someone had a specific reason for needing the armor (training classes?) there might be an opportunity if you ask the right way. YMMV. ETA: he came right out and said that they do sell their armored briefcases and similar items to CCW civilians; check out their website for details. Looks like quality plates for the money - does anyone else come close in stopping high velocity 556 in the manner that their videos show??? I might have to go ceramic for my use ($$$ versus $$ for training classes).... I wanted to get some $100 metal plates off BPM, etc; but they just won't stop the hot 556 that I'd most likely encounter in carbine classes populated almost entirely with ARs. 
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Originally Posted By RRA_223:
Looks like quality plates for the money - does anyone else come close in stopping high velocity 556 in the manner that their videos show??? I might have to go ceramic for my use ($$$ versus $$ for training classes).... I wanted to get some $100 metal plates off BPM, etc; but they just won't stop the hot 556 that I'd most likely encounter in carbine classes populated almost entirely with ARs. The steel plates from BulletProofMe should stop pretty much any kind of 556 you run across. They're what I use, and they are rated better for multiple hits than most ceramic plates. The downside is that they are heavy. If you do appropriate conditioning, the weight ceases to become an issue. From their site, in regards to the steel plates' Level III testing: .308 Winchester Full Metal Jacket =
7.62 X 51 mm NATO 6 rounds at ~ 2,750 fps They list several ceramic and composite plates that are " protection from AK-47, M-16 and common rifle threats (but not AP rounds, or SS-109 / M-855)". The steel plates carry no such caveat. YMMV. |
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Originally Posted By verticalgain:
The steel plates from BulletProofMe should stop pretty much any kind of 556 you run across. They're what I use, and they are rated better for multiple hits than most ceramic plates. Unless there's something new about their steel plates, that's not correct. M193 - 55gr FMJ zips right through steel, and the 62gr M855 pierces HDPE plates. Last time I checked, that 55gr stuff was one of the most common types of 5.56 sold. Certainly one of the most common things you'd encounter during a rifle course, which is when many of us would likely be wearing the plates. Ceramic is the only thing that I'm aware of being widely available that will defeat both threats. If steel stopped M193, I'd have been all over it for its cheaper cost and multi-hit capability. As it is, I'll muddle along with my $$ ceramic plates and not do stupid things like drop-kick them or run over them with a car. |
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Originally Posted By sleepdr:
Originally Posted By verticalgain:
The steel plates from BulletProofMe should stop pretty much any kind of 556 you run across. They're what I use, and they are rated better for multiple hits than most ceramic plates. Unless there's something new about their steel plates, that's not correct. M193 - 55gr FMJ zips right through steel, and the 62gr M855 pierces HDPE plates. Last time I checked, that 55gr stuff was one of the most common types of 5.56 sold. Certainly one of the most common things you'd encounter during a rifle course, which is when many of us would likely be wearing the plates. Ceramic is the only thing that I'm aware of being widely available that will defeat both threats. If steel stopped M193, I'd have been all over it for its cheaper cost and multi-hit capability. As it is, I'll muddle along with my $$ ceramic plates and not do stupid things like drop-kick them or run over them with a car. Not all steels are equal. The 1/4" steel in a rifle plate isn't the same as say the steel in a dumpster or car. There are many videos of steel rifle plates stopping all flavors of 556 cold for multiple hits. The NATO requirement for ss109/m855 specifies that the round has to be able to penetrate a 10 gauge (3mm) piece of steel at 600 yards. M193 does the same at 400 yards. It(ss109) simply increases the penetration of the round at a longer range. It's designed to shoot through helmets, not rifle plates(6+mm). The reason 5.56 can punch through HDPE is because it isn't made out of steel. 
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Verticalgain, I'm not an idiot and know the difference between armor steel and dumpster steel. I also know enough to research and even read multiple posts here and elsewhere demonstrating lightweight M193 vs steel armor. Read a few posts above yours and you'll see someone else alluding to the same thing. This isn't exactly an unknown phenomenon. Google it. Your erroneous information masquerading as fact could get someone killed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ETA: Armored Mobility plates - specifically stated which rounds defeat which plates here: http://www.strykertactical.com/amiarmorpg1.htm AR15.com thread here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=250311 Per Dr. Gary Roberts, currently regarded as a body armor authority, as quoted in that thread: "5-6 mm AR500/R50c steel plates: Steel plates offer a very thin profile, but are a bit heavier than some other options. They are very durable and offer inexpensive multi-hit capability against non-AP 7.62 x 39 mm and 7.62 x 51 mm, as well as for heavier 5.56 mm loads. If you face lightweight (55 gr or less) hot loaded 5.56 mm, they will go right through steel plates. It is a good idea to wear soft armor underneath steel plates." Steel plates vs m193 and other armor tests on 10-8: http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=tacticalgear&Number=66195&page=1&fpart=all Here's the relevant part of that testing from Dr Roberts: We continued testing Level III armor plates yesterday. All plates were used in conjunction with Level IIIa soft armor and shot at 3 meters distance: A 6 mm AR500 steel plate was the first plate shot. –– 5 of 5 shots of Federal 55 gr XM193 FMJ fired at an ave velocity of 2992 fps from a 16” barrel penetrated the plate and underlying soft armor. –– 3 of 5 shots of Winchester 55 gr FMJ (USA223R1) fired at an ave velocity of 2904 fps from a 16” barrel penetrated the plate and underlying soft armor; 2 shots were stopped by the plate. –– 5 of 5 shots of Federal Tactical LE223T1 using the 55 gr TBBC JSP fired at an ave velocity of 2945 fps from a 20” barrel penetrated the plate and underlying soft armor. –– 5 of 5 shots of Corbon DPX using the Barnes 53 gr all copper JHP fired at an ave velocity of 3004 fps from a 20” barrel penetrated the plate and underlying soft armor. –– 5 of 5 shots of Corbon DPX using the Barnes 53 gr all copper JHP fired at an ave velocity of 2930 fps from a 16” barrel were stopped by the plate. –– 3 shots of Winchester 62 gr M855 FMJ fired at an ave velocity of 3054 fps from a 20” barrel were all stopped by the plate. –– 1 shot of a BH loaded Barnes 70 gr all copper X-bullet fired at a velocity of 2851 fps from a 20” barrel was stopped by the plate. –– 1 shot of a BH loaded Barnes 70 gr all copper X-bullet fired at a velocity of 2758 fps from a 16” barrel was stopped by the plate. Note that the Barnes all copper bullets deposit a distinct copper swipe when they hit the plate. In addition: –– 1 shot of a .308 Remington loaded Swift Scirocco 150 gr bonded PT fired at a velocity of 2645 fps from an 18” barrel was stopped by the plate. If you primarily face shots from AK’s or other mid-velocity .30 caliber weapons like .30-30, .308, .30-06, as well heavier 5.56 mm ammunition like M855, Mk262, Barnes 70 gr X, and Hornady 75 gr TAP, the 6 mm AR500 steel plate offers superb multi-hit protection and a very thin profile; however, if you expect to face higher velocity 55 gr and lighter 5.56 mm threats, these plates do NOT offer adequate protection. Next we shot a hard polyethelene plate made of Dyneema compressed to 3.8 lbs/sq ft. –– 5 of 5 shots of LeMas 45 gr “Land Warfare” using the Sierra 45 gr Varminter JSP fired at an average velocity of 3805 fps from a 20” barrel were all stopped by the plate. –– 5 of 5 shots of Corbon DPX 53 gr fired from a 20” barrel were all stopped by the plate. –– 5 of 5 shots of Fed XM193 55 gr FMJ fired from a 20” barrel were all stopped by the plate. –– 5 of 5 shots of Fed 55 gr LE223T1 JSP fired from a 20” barrel were all stopped by the plate. –– 5 of 5 shots of Win M855 62 gr FMJ fired from a 20” barrel all penetrated the plate and underlying soft armor. –– 1 shot of a Barnes 70 gr X-bullet fired from a 20” barrel was stopped by the plate. In addition: –– 1 shot of a .308 Swift Scirocco 150 gr bonded PT fired from an 18” barrel was stopped by the plate. Interestingly, the hard polyethelene armor demonstrated outstanding protection against the lightweight, high velocity 5.56 mm treats that defeated the 6 mm AR500 steel plates, as well as heavier 5.56 mm and .30 caliber threats, but offered NO protection against M855 62 gr FMJ. Thus, the lightweight hard polyethelene plates may be an option when M855 is not an expected threat. Furthermore: NIJ standard for LVL III tests only 7.62x51mm NATO, and not 5.56. Results cannot necessarily be extrapolated to assume that all LVLIII stops all 5.56 Your 1/4" steel plate is the same thickness as that 6mm AR500 that got punctured by the 5.56. Is that sufficient real data to counter your anecdotal video evidence of people not penetrating steel plates with 5.56? I can cite my anecdotal story of a patient being shot directly over the heart at near muzzle-contact distance and surviving, but that doesn't mean it's a safe practice any more than your videos do. |
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