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Posted: 4/4/2024 1:18:38 AM EDT
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Think it would be an awesome range toy. Either an ar or 10/22 conversion would be ideal. I did a quick search but mostly came up with limited production runs by various manufacturers and currently unavailable. |
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The Tippman Gatlin Gun is the only one I know of. https://tippmannordnance.com/22lr-gatling-gun/ |
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Lakeside machine used to make a belt fed upper receiver for the AR. They do show up from time to time but they end up being pretty pricey. Last one I saw for sale was about 2.5k, they were 750 is new when lake side was making them. I had a Tippman 1919 at the time and lakeside was the only company making links for me to use. I miss the 1919 as it was a fun gun to shoot (it was a mg) but it would break the links after a while and the cloth belts sucked to load. |
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Originally Posted By 27Katana: Lakeside machine used to make a belt fed upper receiver for the AR. They do show up from time to time but they end up being pretty pricey. Last one I saw for sale was about 2.5k, they were 750 is new when lake side was making them. I had a Tippman 1919 at the time and lakeside was the only company making links for me to use. I miss the 1919 as it was a fun gun to shoot (it was a mg) but it would break the links after a while and the cloth belts sucked to load. Here is an old thread regarding the Lithocore unauthorized copies. I don't know if any were ever produced or what. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/LithocoreX/23-491320/&page=3 |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: I was the guy mentioned in the SAR article that approached Eric at the Creek to make a belt fed upper for the M16. He sent me the first pre-production prototype. The LM7 first came out and they were $1750 each not $750. Later the Razorback came out which didn't have quick change barrels and some other features. Those were not $750 either. I did a group buy for like 7 or of them...can't remember the exact quantity and got them for $700 each which was a great deal back then. I can't remember what the regular price was but pretty sure it wasn't $750. Here is an old thread regarding the Lithocore unauthorized copies. I don't know if any were ever produced or what. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/LithocoreX/23-491320/&page=3 Originally Posted By amphibian: Originally Posted By 27Katana: Lakeside machine used to make a belt fed upper receiver for the AR. They do show up from time to time but they end up being pretty pricey. Last one I saw for sale was about 2.5k, they were 750 is new when lake side was making them. I had a Tippman 1919 at the time and lakeside was the only company making links for me to use. I miss the 1919 as it was a fun gun to shoot (it was a mg) but it would break the links after a while and the cloth belts sucked to load. Here is an old thread regarding the Lithocore unauthorized copies. I don't know if any were ever produced or what. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/LithocoreX/23-491320/&page=3 Sorry, I was going by memory. Funny thing is I paid 2500 for my Tippmann 1919 transferable. It was new unfired when I bought it. |
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At the very end of the latest "do you hate Biden enough" arfcom YouTube video, around the 8:13 mark, it shows a 3 sec clip of someone painting a steel target with a belt fed 22. Any idea who made it? Looks like ar upper & lower with an m60 style bipod. Arfcom video |
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Originally Posted By Asylum9: At the very end of the latest "do you hate Biden enough" arfcom YouTube video, around the 8:13 mark, it shows a 3 sec clip of someone painting a steel target with a belt fed 22. Any idea who made it? Looks like ar upper & lower with an m60 style bipod. Arfcom video That was the Razorback built by Lakeside Machine. Was a mini 1919 that is now out of production. You can still find them here and there. Edit - Razorback |
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I have a LM7, with the upgraded bolt carrier from the razorback. Best combo in my opinion. The LM7 was the premium deluxe as mentioned, quick change barrels, a lot of thought put into it. The razor back was the economy model but they made improvements to the bolt carrier, thus I bought a razorback bolt group which helped reliability significantly. Great fun if you can get your 3rd hole lower to sync well and have some broken in cloth belts. Finicky with ammo, I found CCI minimag to be the best ammo for smooth operation. CCI stinger was great as well, but pricey and not as available. |
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Originally Posted By silveradot: Anyone have an idea of what a semi Tippmann 1919 would go for these days?Been looking around and not much out there for sale or sold |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: I was the guy mentioned in the SAR article that approached Eric at the Creek to make a belt fed upper for the M16. He sent me the first pre-production prototype. The LM7 first came out and they were $1750 each not $750. Later the Razorback came out which didn't have quick change barrels and some other features. Those were not $750 either. I did a group buy for like 7 or of them...can't remember the exact quantity and got them for $700 each which was a great deal back then. I can't remember what the regular price was but pretty sure it wasn't $750. Here is an old thread regarding the Lithocore unauthorized copies. I don't know if any were ever produced or what. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/LithocoreX/23-491320/&page=3 My best friend bought two @ $750 early on and gave me one, FWIW. It ends up being quite a bit more than that once you start buying accessories but the basic upper and a few 50 round belts were $750. I wish Eric stuck it out with the razorback…. One of my Grail Guns is a Vindicator in .17HM2. |
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Originally Posted By JsbsMarine: I have a LM7, with the upgraded bolt carrier from the razorback. Best combo in my opinion. The LM7 was the premium deluxe as mentioned, quick change barrels, a lot of thought put into it. The razor back was the economy model but they made improvements to the bolt carrier, thus I bought a razorback bolt group which helped reliability significantly. Great fun if you can get your 3rd hole lower to sync well and have some broken in cloth belts. Finicky with ammo, I found CCI minimag to be the best ammo for smooth operation. CCI stinger was great as well, but pricey and not as available. For me, reliability has always come down to the length of the bullet as it affects where the rim ends up relative to the bolt face and extractor engagement. CCI standard velocity runs about 99%. He used to have a tuning guide on his website but I never got around to monkeying with the gun. |
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| I do want to warn you guys about cycling the charging handle with a live round in the gun and no incoming round to push it out…. I had an AD in my bedroom this way trying to diagnose a problem about 15 years ago-the round nosed up into the chamber from it’s eject position and detonated OOB but some of the projectile went into my bed. |
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Originally Posted By amphibian: I was the guy mentioned in the SAR article that approached Eric at the Creek to make a belt fed upper for the M16. He sent me the first pre-production prototype. The LM7 first came out and they were $1750 each not $750. Later the Razorback came out which didn't have quick change barrels and some other features. Those were not $750 either. I did a group buy for like 7 or of them...can't remember the exact quantity and got them for $700 each which was a great deal back then. I can't remember what the regular price was but pretty sure it wasn't $750. Here is an old thread regarding the Lithocore unauthorized copies. I don't know if any were ever produced or what. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/LithocoreX/23-491320/&page=3 The first run Eric made were lettered with a 1 of 100 script. They had a non quck change barrel and a short railed forearm. They were under 700, either 595 or 695 as I recall. I will look and see if I still have my invoice. My invoice was for a bit more as I bought several belts and Eric's loading kit. Later versions had different barrel lengths and then quick change barrels. I believe the last price was 1300? Amphibian, here's mt Uzitalk review with one of the first 100 from 2009. Sadly I didn't mention the price. https://www.uzitalk.com/forums/index.php?threads/lakeside-razorback.49112/ |
This thread is just a good excuse for me to post a pic of my daughter's birthday present so she and Dad could have matching 1919's. We both were a bit younger in that photo: she just got married last month.   I bought that Tippmann 1919 .22lr at - of all places - San Francisco Gun Exchange. I dunno, maybe it was $2700 or so? (Semi, whereas the .308 was a machinegun.) It came with the little wood transit chest and all the baby green ammo cans and cloth belts. Pain to load, and in the end just a fun novelty: I sold it years later to someone who paid me a lot more than I bought it for, but a lot less than they sell for now. 
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Originally Posted By kel: This thread is just a good excuse for me to post a pic of my daughter's birthday present so she and Dad could have matching 1919's. We both were a bit younger in that photo: she just got married last month. https://i.imgur.com/j6TKvWM.jpeg I bought that Tippmann 1919 .22lr at - of all places - San Francisco Gun Exchange. I dunno, maybe it was $2700 or so? (Semi, whereas the .308 was a machinegun.) It came with the little wood transit chest and all the baby green ammo cans and cloth belts. Pain to load, and in the end just a fun novelty: I sold it years later to someone who paid me a lot more than I bought it for, but a lot less than they sell for now. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/download-e1666479969529.png Yeah… these belt feds can fetch a pretty penny… The Class3 guys with M16’s are pretty hot for them. I had the foresight to buy the sear trip kit before lakeside went under and parts kit. Haven’t shot it in a long while, was thinking about passing it on and using the funds for something else but if I can get one of the 9mm belt feds it would be cool to have the pair. The gun world sure can be funny about when things get valuable… I had a transferable M11/9 and bought a shiny new motorcycle once the 5.56 Lage uppers hit the market. It paid me for every round I put thru it and then some. |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Yeah… these belt feds can fetch a pretty penny… The Class3 guys with M16’s are pretty hot for them. I had the foresight to buy the sear trip kit before lakeside went under and parts kit. Haven’t shot it in a long while, was thinking about passing it on and using the funds for something else but if I can get one of the 9mm belt feds it would be cool to have the pair. The gun world sure can be funny about when things get valuable… I had a transferable M11/9 and bought a shiny new motorcycle once the 5.56 Lage uppers hit the market. It paid me for every round I put thru it and then some. You sold a transferable for a motorcycle? 
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Originally Posted By Type7SOT: You sold a transferable for a motorcycle? Yep. Being “the guy with a machinegun” is cool for a while, but eventually you end up loading magazines for everyone but yourself to shoot… and it has to be your ammo because you can’t trust someone else’s. I ride A LOT, and get a 1,000 times more use out of one than a machinegun. Frankly, the gun itself wasn’t that interesting-an M11/9 that I got a Lage slow fire kit and .22 conversion. It ran well as a 9mm, but it is a glorified rat trap internally so not mechanically interesting to me. That, and the .22 kit I got for it that would make it cheaper to shoot? Every time I used it I had a barrel bulge and had to send it back to Lage to remove. It would stack slugs up in the barrel, bulge the barrel, and then blow the slugs out without me knowing it happened. It would continue to run fine, but I couldn’t get the kit out after a range session. I don’t miss it. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: Nothing that I know of. 22LR belt fed is a finiky thing due to the low power of 22LR. I think there are 1-2 3D printed designs around that you can DIY. On the lakeside/tipman guns, power is not the issue-shape of the OAL of the bullet is. If it’s short, the extractor can’t grab it out of the belt. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: Nothing that I know of. 22LR belt fed is a finiky thing due to the low power of 22LR. I think there are 1-2 3D printed designs around that you can DIY. On the lakeside/tipman guns, power is not the issue-shape of the OAL of the bullet is. If it’s short, the extractor can’t grab it out of the belt. |
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I think I bought this around 2010 or so. Private party and it came with a bunch of accessories like links, cloth belts, etc. I got it runniing pretty good and have a video of a 200 round belt around here somewhere. the bolt had a fracture in a weld and I sent it in to the company for repairs and the guy who rewelded it did a poor job so I sent it back and it was repaired properly. They seem to have ended service and sales a few years later, but I did not need anything from them so I lost track of the company. I had the barrel cover fabricated by them to resemble a 1919 and put the foregrip on to replace the stock AR style. I should dig all the accessories out of wherever I have them stashed if anyone is seriously considering making an offer. I have no idea about value, so I may need to look into what might be a fair price. Best I could do is make a Youtube post with a link below. video I have and autosear and a couple of Colt M16A1 lowers for the FA part. |
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The company didn't go under. Eric simply just retired and didn't want to do anymore. He still has all the tooling and a lot of old stock he has been holding on to. He said he would sell the company for $8.7million. Which seemed steep for a business without a building, few products, and has been closed for a decade with no employees. Unless he has millions in transferable MG samples in that stock, I don't see it. |
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Originally Posted By weapons_free: me too, would to run this on a f/a lower @weapons_free You need a sear trip, a hole tapped in the bolt to attach it, and an anti bolt bounce buffer. I was smart enough to get these before Eric folded up. Still haven’t tried to get it to run with an FRT, if it doesn’t I’ll sell it to someone with a transferable. |
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Originally Posted By SGT-Fish: The company didn't go under. Eric simply just retired and didn't want to do anymore. He still has all the tooling and a lot of old stock he has been holding on to. He said he would sell the company for $8.7million. Which seemed steep for a business without a building, few products, and has been closed for a decade with no employees. Unless he has millions in transferable MG samples in that stock, I don't see it. I got the impression he didn’t really want to work when I would call for parts or whatever. The guy really liked to talk and it was hard for ME as a customer to get off of the phone with him. Nice guy though, we could be buds.. |
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| If you want to get into this Lakeside Machine is for sale . Everything you need to start building belt fed .22s. The price is lower than posted above |
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Here is one on Sturm right now for $4200 https://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/38509-wts-lakeside-machine-lm7-upper-with-accessories/ |
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