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Originally Posted By 234747:
Thanks charging_handle, I just got my Model 609 finished up and registered with uncle sam. I too have to admit that I have been through 6 or 7 of the modern setups before I ever tried the ALICE gear, but when I did, I loved it immediately. It is comfortable, while providing me with more mobility and free range of motion. I had an eagle plater carrier, and while it was pretty "cool", it was bulky and restrictive, not to mention very hot, even in the winter. My SHTF rig is the ALICE, which I admit may be a tad bit overloaded for a KISS setup. I feel naked with less than 6 rifle mags and 4 pistol mags. My main rig is a SKD Tactical Eagle Chest Rig in Multicam - with a Emdom 604 pouch and a TT Strobe Pouch on the right hand side. I can hold 8 but I run 4 rifle mags, and 4 pistol mags in it to keep things light. It stays in the truck with the 609 It is hard to say about a jungle war. We are in Iraq, in the desert and it gets pretty hot from what I hear, and look at those rigs. The military will probably stick to whatever they can pack full of ceramic armor, and load down with modular pouches, ie OTV's, LBV's, etc. I like the way the Rangers and Deltas did it in the early 90's with an ALICE rig over their body armor. Seems simple, yet effective sorry for the book[/quote Some of the rigs Marines were using in the 'ghan were considerably lighter. If we were to go back to the jungle, soft vests may be issued. |
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Originally Posted By Frostburg: Thanks. Really? Why do you say that? What clues do you see? Should I upload another photo? As cheap as a real one is I see no need to anyone to make a fake one. |
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Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Frostburg:
Thanks. Really? Why do you say that? What clues do you see? Should I upload another photo? As cheap as a real one is I see no need to anyone to make a fake one. They do though. |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Frostburg:
Thanks. Really? Why do you say that? What clues do you see? Should I upload another photo? As cheap as a real one is I see no need to anyone to make a fake one. They do though. And the fake ones are even cheaper. I hear they fall apart very quickly, unlike the real ones which will last forever. |
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Appears real to me. Do yourself a favor. Take a couple of bic lighters, and turn the pack inside-out. Carefully melt/sear the exposed edges of any exposed fabric that shows itself. Trim any loose threads to 1/4" or less length prior to searing. Swap out lighters when the one in use gats a bit too warm.
Doing this goes a long way towards preventing sewn-seam blowout, which happens on on gear with un-taped/un-finished edges on the fabric. Maybe practice on a couple of pouches first, till you get the hang of it. Not rocket science, but practice comes in handy. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Appears real to me. Do yourself a favor. Take a couple of bic lighters, and turn the pack inside-out. Carefully melt/sear the exposed edges of any exposed fabric that shows itself. Trim any loose threads to 1/4" or less length prior to searing. Swap out lighters when the one in use gats a bit too warm. Doing this goes a long way towards preventing sewn-seam blowout, which happens on on gear with un-taped/un-finished edges on the fabric. Maybe practice on a couple of pouches first, till you get the hang of it. Not rocket science, but practice comes in handy. I used a barbecue/fireplace lighter when I did my CFP-90 day pack. Much easier when doing it for an extended time. |
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Originally Posted By Frostburg:
Thanks. Really? Why do you say that? What clues do you see? Should I upload another photo? mostly due to the ITW Nexus buckle.. clones usually use crappy/unmarked hardware. also the NSN is correct and DJ Manufacturing Corp is a real govt contractor |
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Originally Posted By raf:
No need to BTT this thread; is is set to Non-Archive status, so the worst that can heppen is that will drift to the bottom of this forum, like many similar, Non-Archived threads. In fact, that is an easy way for the savvy folks to find threads like this; go to the bottom of the forum for the good stuff. Did not know that. Glad to hear though 
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Hello.
Here is my version of the ALICE system, custom tailored by Combat Shield co., made of Czech Army camo fabric, mod. 95. I use original ALICE system since 1995, first time like an airsoft player. I decided to let make this custom “Czech” version in 2004 before I´d joined the army reserve. From left to right: 1) Sa vz. 58/AK mags pouch – also suitable for new issued CZ 805 Bren mags – each pouch can hold 4 mags. 2) Original LC 1 ALICE pistol belt 3) Canteen pouch 4) Field pack (butt pack) - accurate copy 5) Belt suspenders – accurate copy with original fittings + original compass pouch 6) Intrenching tool carrier – copy of the original polish army carrier, which is Czech army issued 7) M3 trench knife – copy Bottom row: 1) Universal pouch 2) First aid kit – original 
From left o right: 1)First aid kit – Czech army issued 2)British ammo bandolier (7,62 NATO) – now used for 7,62x54R cartridges for SVD rifle 3)GPS device pouch, 4)SVD mags pouches - each pouch can hold 4 mags. 
Canteen pouch 
Intrenching tool carrier – copy of the original polish army carrier, Czech Army issue 
Gas mask OM 90 bag – copy of the original Czech Army issued OD bag. 
Field pack (butt pack) - accurate copy 
Sa vz. 58/AK mags pouch – also suitable for new issued CZ 805 Bren mags – each pouch can hold 4 mags. Design of the ammo pouch based on my own proposal, which was inspired by russian RPK ammo pouch. 
Belt suspenders – accurate copy with original fittings 
Czech army issued small recon backpack (20 litres) 
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| Very nice. So the suspenders were custom-made? It'd be sweet to have some M1967 suspenders made in coyote brown. |
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Originally Posted By dxc:
Hello. Here is my version of the ALICE system, custom tailored by Combat Shield co., made of Czech Army camo fabric, mod. 95. I use original ALICE system since 1995, first time like an airsoft player. I decided to let make this custom “Czech” version in 2004 before I´d joined the army reserve. From left to right: 1) Sa vz. 58/AK mags pouch – also suitable for new issued CZ 805 Bren mags – each pouch can hold 4 mags. 2) Original LC 1 ALICE pistol belt 3) Canteen pouch 4) Field pack (butt pack) - accurate copy 5) Belt suspenders – accurate copy with original fittings + original compass pouch 6) Intrenching tool carrier – copy of the original polish army carrier, which is Czech army issued 7) M3 trench knife – copy Bottom row: 1) Universal pouch 2) First aid kit – original http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/kompletF_zpsa05c40c9.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/kompletR_zps9cb6a49d.jpg From left o right: 1)First aid kit – Czech army issued 2)British ammo bandolier (7,62 NATO) – now used for 7,62x54R cartridges for SVD rifle 3)GPS device pouch, 4)SVD mags pouches - each pouch can hold 4 mags. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/bandolier_zps3c6e1bc8.jpg Canteen pouch http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/lahev_zpsda17cfc5.jpg Intrenching tool carrier – copy of the original polish army carrier, Czech Army issue http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/lopatkaF_zps8c9b22cf.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/lopatkaR_zps6a6d7a02.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/lopatkaF2_zps78858894.jpg Gas mask OM 90 bag – copy of the original Czech Army issued OD bag. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/maskF_zps916c12d7.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/maskR_zps856f419f.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/maskFG_zpsf9a4729b.jpg Field pack (butt pack) - accurate copy http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/prdelakF_zps3cdd9351.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/prdelakR1_zps71fc1ed4.jpg Sa vz. 58/AK mags pouch – also suitable for new issued CZ 805 Bren mags – each pouch can hold 4 mags. Design of the ammo pouch based on my own proposal, which was inspired by russian RPK ammo pouch. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/sumkaF_zps771c8d00.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/sumkaR_zps817c780c.jpg Belt suspenders – accurate copy with original fittings http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/Y_zpsfed24386.jpg Czech army issued small recon backpack (20 litres) http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/ALPF_zps3e149a16.jpg http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/121st_company/ALPR_zpse50adb25.jpg Very impressive. It might be worth your while to investigate the M-1956 "H"-style harness. Generally speaking, it carries the load better than the later "Y"-style harness that you have now. You might also consider obtaining short, plastic MALICE clips from Tactical Tailor, or short nylon fabric Tac-Ties from Maxpedition to replace the much heavier ALICE clips, which are also prone to mechanical difficulties. These minor points aside, you've made up an interesting rig. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By dxc:
Hello. Here is my version of the ALICE system, custom tailored by Combat Shield co., made of Czech Army camo fabric, mod. 95. I use original ALICE system since 1995, first time like an airsoft player. I decided to let make this custom “Czech” version in 2004 before I´d joined the army reserve. From left to H"-style harness. Generally speaking, it carries the load better than the later "Y"-style harness that you have now. You might also consider obtaining short, plastic MALICE clips from Tactical Tailor, or short nylon fabric Tac-Ties from Maxpedition to replace the much heavier ALICE clips, which are also prone to mechanical difficulties. These minor points aside, you've made up an interesting rig. This on the H- Harness. I keep debating with myself on ordering the Blackhawk H-Harness. It's so much better then the Y-Harness. You can also use Zip Ties instead of the Alice Clips. You just have to cut em off if you take things off to need to rearrange things. |
| Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. Nice find! |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. I've been wondering what their 7.62mm mag pouches and charger pouches are like internally. Unfortunately I've never had an example to examine. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:
Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. Nice find! I have a couple of 30rd AK mag pouches like these that I purchased from Brigade Quartermaster's years ago. I was wondering if anyone still made these. I have a Alice set up for the AK, Uses the Y harness, 2 AK mag pouches,2 canteens, butt pack, 2 first aid pouch's, one for the field dressing and the other has a compass in it. The pistol belt is an old Vietnam quick release buckle. |
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Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... Lets first start with all the components needed to assemble the Hellcat. 1. ALICE frame and medium ruck 2. one set MOLLE shoulder straps 3. one MOLLE moulded kidney belt 4. one MOLLE sleep system carrier ... Thanks for posting that tutorial. I just ordered some straps and kidney pad belt. The obvious drawback to the Alice pack is its inability to transfer any load to the hips. |
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Originally Posted By PE556:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... Lets first start with all the components needed to assemble the Hellcat. 1. ALICE frame and medium ruck 2. one set MOLLE shoulder straps 3. one MOLLE moulded kidney belt 4. one MOLLE sleep system carrier ... Thanks for posting that tutorial. I just ordered some straps and kidney pad belt. The obvious drawback to the Alice pack is its inability to transfer any load to the hips. Having done-up a couple of these --a large and med ALICE pack-- I am sure you will be delighted at the outcome. Why every single ALICE owner does not do this is beyond me. |
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Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... 1ea Med ALICE ruck 1ea 11-11.5" piece of steel tubing(from a broken camp chair.....you know; the folding kind we all use for our kids sporting events and around the camp fire) 1ea Length of 1" tubular webbing about 14-15" ... That's a good mod. When I was in, we used to use mop or broom handles cut to fit. Carrying a large ruck without a frame for any significant distance is not what I would advise though. |
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Originally Posted By PE556:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... 1ea Med ALICE ruck 1ea 11-11.5" piece of steel tubing(from a broken camp chair.....you know; the folding kind we all use for our kids sporting events and around the camp fire) 1ea Length of 1" tubular webbing about 14-15" ... That's a good mod. When I was in, we used to use mop or broom handles cut to fit. Carrying a large ruck without a frame for any significant distance is not what I would advise though. This. The medium ALICE is a great size for general use, but sucks with no frame at all. THings in the pack tend to jab you in the back, and they just don't ride right. I've been wanting to try that mod myself - but with so many packs the ALICE is at the bottom of my preference list when I pick a pack for a day hike. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. It's also $50. To me, there comes a point of diminishing returns with some of the Alice gear. It's great if you can get it cheap and make it work for you etc....but when you start talking about a couple hundred bucks invested in a complete rig.....there are probably better options- like the many "battle belts" that are available. |
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Originally Posted By Will:
Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. It's also $50. To me, there comes a point of diminishing returns with some of the Alice gear. It's great if you can get it cheap and make it work for you etc....but when you start talking about a couple hundred bucks invested in a complete rig.....there are probably better options- like the many "battle belts" that are available. It's always nice to have choices. Beides, some of the pouches they make are pretty much unavailable elsewhere, and can be had either in ALICE or MOLLE/PALS configuration. I mean, who else makes pouches for M-14, '03 Springfied and SKS stripper clips, for example? Not to mention Garand clip pouches. No, the stuff's not cheap, but it's quality stuff, and I can say that after buying some of it. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By Will:
Originally Posted By raf:
Consider this ;http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#31. I bought some stuff from FMCO, and it easily meets mil-spec. It's also $50. To me, there comes a point of diminishing returns with some of the Alice gear. It's great if you can get it cheap and make it work for you etc....but when you start talking about a couple hundred bucks invested in a complete rig.....there are probably better options- like the many "battle belts" that are available. It's always nice to have choices. Beides, some of the pouches they make are pretty much unavailable elsewhere, and can be had either in ALICE or MOLLE/PALS configuration. I mean, who else makes pouches for M-14, '03 Springfied and SKS stripper clips, for example? Not to mention Garand clip pouches. No, the stuff's not cheap, but it's quality stuff, and I can say that after buying some of it. I don't use pouches anymore except for "secondary duty- stuff I would lend out or maybe for systems that are not "frontline"...and I'm not gonna spend much on those... I've pretty much standardized on HSGI Tacos for rifle mags. They are 100% modular- they'll work on a belt, on a vest, on a molle panel on the back of my trucks seats, even secured to a pack.....They work with EVERY rifle magazine I have tried them with- AR, AK, M1a, G3, Fal, Galil- same same......now I have ONE SET (actually, I have built several sets but they are identical) of webgear that is identical across any platform I want to run. It simplifies training etc.... As an aside, the best inexepensive Garand pouches I have found are the current issue Molle grenade pouches. They will very securely hold a pair of Garand clips. They are about $2 apiece on many Ebay sites or at least they were last year.....I have built a couple of FLC's using them. For less than $30 you can carry twice the number of Garand clips a GI would have in WWII and move them around wherever you want. |
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Morg, how are you attaching your M1967 suspenders to your Dutch LBV? Given how cheap the LBVs are, I may try one out. I just pulled the heavy shoulder straps and used the M67 shoulder pads instead. The straps are sewn to the LBV. Just pull the straps off the M67 and thread the LBVs straps into it. I am running USMC double (quad) coyote brown MOLLE Mag pouches. My SIG fit perfectly in the RH one - the 1911 not so much. I would like to try pulling the rear small of the back piece and setting it up the way I've seen some early SEAL rigs setup for a true ltwt rig. It carries very well, although a bit front heavy, like any similiar rig. I am working on a warbelt setup then will likely add a buttpack and an IFAK and dump pouch to this for a true 2nd line rig. As it is it's very comfy in a car - better clearance to steering wheel than a chest rig. I like the two fastex buckles - very quick to undo or to to get into. It's also pretty comfortable prone. ETA: FWIW I'm sure an LC-1 H-harness would work just as well, and be cheaper and easier to find. I just used what I had. Like the color a little better too. |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Morg, how are you attaching your M1967 suspenders to your Dutch LBV? Given how cheap the LBVs are, I may try one out. I just pulled the heavy shoulder straps and used the M67 shoulder pads instead. The straps are sewn to the LBV. Just pull the straps off the M67 and thread the LBVs straps into it. I am running USMC double (quad) coyote brown MOLLE Mag pouches. My SIG fit perfectly in the RH one - the 1911 not so much. I would like to try pulling the rear small of the back piece and setting it up the way I've seen some early SEAL rigs setup for a true ltwt rig. It carries very well, although a bit front heavy, like any similiar rig. I am working on a warbelt setup then will likely add a buttpack and an IFAK and dump pouch to this for a true 2nd line rig. As it is it's very comfy in a car - better clearance to steering wheel than a chest rig. I like the two fastex buckles - very quick to undo or to to get into. It's also pretty comfortable prone. ETA: FWIW I'm sure an LC-1 H-harness would work just as well, and be cheaper and easier to find. I just used what I had. Like the color a little better too. I have M1967 Suspenders and the ALICE Y-suspenders (2 pairs). Have you tried any ALICE clipped stuff or anything with M1910 wire hangers? Also, how are you mounting your Camelbak? I have a Thermobak and on my current set-up I have the top d-rings clipped to the shoulders, the harness straps worked through the middle d-rings, and the bottom d-rings and the eyelets of the butt pack clipped to the clips at the end of the straps. |
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Both ALICE and M1910 hangers will work, as well as MOLLE, but the spacing is slightly different than US stuff - doesn't bother me, but be aware. I haven't tried to mount a Camelbak yet - I should really look at that. I built it primarily for HD and with an eye to jumping in and out of my Tacoma with it on. You're right about the back panel not having any attachment points higher up, but as you said, you do have the snap clips that a D ring will clip into. As I said, I'm looking at removing the back panel entirely - my Camelbak is USMC coyote brown standalone, with strap, so if it mattered I guess you could pull it on over the rig. This would also enable you to remove the Camelbak for filling without removing the LBV - something the 'everything and a kitchen sink' guys don't think about too much.
If you're going into battle, there are definitely better rigs, such as plate carriers and armored rigs, but for civilian use, going ltwt, in and out of buildings and vehicles, I think ti works pretty well. An IFAK and Roly-poly are next. An empty canteen pouch on the left side is a simple thing but can be used as a dump for HD, collapses in the car, but allows a quick 1 Qt carry when dismounted. This is more of a get home rig than a never coming home rig, but I like it regardless. It's also fairly cool in the summer - not as much as mesh gear like an FLC (have some of them too) but definitely tougher. I've considered adding some webbing to the upper parts of the panels and think it would be a good mod to carry a radio, admin pouch or the aforementioned Camelbak as you wanted. ETA: Not sure it would work with the Y harness - I have the adjustment all the way up with the H harness - I think the Y would hang too low - at least on me. One nice thing about the mod is you can put it back the way it was if you don't like it. Not a permanent mod. |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By PE556:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... 1ea Med ALICE ruck 1ea 11-11.5" piece of steel tubing(from a broken camp chair.....you know; the folding kind we all use for our kids sporting events and around the camp fire) 1ea Length of 1" tubular webbing about 14-15" ... That's a good mod. When I was in, we used to use mop or broom handles cut to fit. Carrying a large ruck without a frame for any significant distance is not what I would advise though. This. The medium ALICE is a great size for general use, but sucks with no frame at all. THings in the pack tend to jab you in the back, and they just don't ride right. I've been wanting to try that mod myself - but with so many packs the ALICE is at the bottom of my preference list when I pick a pack for a day hike. The trick really is the pads. a couple pieces of sleeping mat cut to fit along the inside/back of the pack between the stuff in the pack and your back makes a HUGE comfort difference. The pads take up a little space but weigh next to nothing and the difference is night and day comfort-wise. |
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Originally Posted By Ceddie:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By PE556:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... 1ea Med ALICE ruck 1ea 11-11.5" piece of steel tubing(from a broken camp chair.....you know; the folding kind we all use for our kids sporting events and around the camp fire) 1ea Length of 1" tubular webbing about 14-15" ... That's a good mod. When I was in, we used to use mop or broom handles cut to fit. Carrying a large ruck without a frame for any significant distance is not what I would advise though. This. The medium ALICE is a great size for general use, but sucks with no frame at all. THings in the pack tend to jab you in the back, and they just don't ride right. I've been wanting to try that mod myself - but with so many packs the ALICE is at the bottom of my preference list when I pick a pack for a day hike. The trick really is the pads. a couple pieces of sleeping mat cut to fit along the inside/back of the pack between the stuff in the pack and your back makes a HUGE comfort difference. The pads take up a little space but weigh next to nothing and the difference is night and day comfort-wise. I usually stick a folding German sleeping pad inside soft rucks for the same reason. Works well, and you have something to sit on if you need it. I have so many packs though, the ALICE is at the bottom of my picks now. Most of mine are older military packs BTW. I really like the FFL pack I have with the X-frame removed. A sternum strap would make it better though. |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By PE556:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
... 1ea Med ALICE ruck 1ea 11-11.5" piece of steel tubing(from a broken camp chair.....you know; the folding kind we all use for our kids sporting events and around the camp fire) 1ea Length of 1" tubular webbing about 14-15" ... That's a good mod. When I was in, we used to use mop or broom handles cut to fit. Carrying a large ruck without a frame for any significant distance is not what I would advise though. This. The medium ALICE is a great size for general use, but sucks with no frame at all. THings in the pack tend to jab you in the back, and they just don't ride right. I've been wanting to try that mod myself - but with so many packs the ALICE is at the bottom of my preference list when I pick a pack for a day hike. Part of that modification also includes a piece of USGI foam sleep pad cut to fit inside the back panel of the radio pouch. Keeps things from poking you in the back and you can also use it to sit on. Same as using your german folding pad. YMMV Regards Rod |
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If LAV promotes using the slide lock/release to chamber a round after a mag change, then he should be ignored.-MP0117
If LAV promotes using the slide lock/release to chamber a round after a mag change, then he should be ignored.-MP0117
I've tried numerous rigs over the years and always seem to return to this setup, LBE has water,poncho,knife, compass,first aid,wpns maint kit,two pistol mags ,one rifle mag and other basic survival stuff and the Blackhawk! vest goes on over to carry rifle mags and two more pistol mags. I like this setup because it is so versatile. Those mag pouches on the vest will each hold either two AR/ STG556 mags, one M14 mag (I put a small block of treated 1x4 in the bottom of the pouch to make the mags ride higher) ,or one AK mag. I got tired of moving stuff around to different rigs when switching between weapons systems, with this all I have to switch is magazines.
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Great Thread.
Here's a couple rigs I'm toying with: .308 rig with FMCO 8 point suspenders and mag pouches I built for my VEPR "sniper" rifle that I recently sold... 
I had a USGI buttpack on it, but ditched it. I just didn't like how floppy it was... We didn't use them in my unit when we still wore ALICE gear. Here is the one I am working on for my Draco (future SBR), or any AK for that matter. 
This is the initial setup and fitting. Base is a Medic Vest that appears to be brand new. M16 pouches will be swapped with FMCO AK pouches. I am also thinking of getting them in molle and putting them on the chest panels. The twin buttpacks are London Bridge Trading and appear to be 200 rd M240 pouches maybe. They have belt loops and ALICE clips as well. The one on the right holds my poncho and the one on the left will hold at least two stripped MREs- have to test that out... Wearing a ruck is obviously a no-go with the second rig, but my Kifaru X-Ray sits perfectly on top of the buttpacks! 
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Also found a source for American made M16 ALICE pouches without the grenade pockets:
http://www.advantagesupplies.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_9&products_id=97 And for guys of the AK persuasion (like me): http://www.advantagesupplies.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_9&products_id=97 H Harness suspenders: http://www.advantagesupplies.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=90&products_id=5 |
I find Enforcer's ALICE/MOLLE Hybrids to be perfect for my needs. Though I had a Hellcat, I wanted to try it with the plastic frame. I got one of the Alice-compatible frames so it did not come out as Enforcer's since he used the earlier frame, and I also replaced the MSS bag with a MOLLE waist bag. I also needed to use the LC2 straps instead of the MOLLE. Below are the results.
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| Where did you find the ALICE compatible frame? (They call that the 'airborne frame' right? ) Looks light. Have you had a chance to try it out yet? |
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Originally Posted By Morg308:
Where did you find the ALICE compatible frame? (They call that the 'airborne frame' right? ) Looks light. Have you had a chance to try it out yet? http://downeastinc.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php |
"The M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." General George S. Patton Jr.,US Army
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I got mine on eBay. I think I paid $25 for it. I have not had a chance to take it out yet. Looks neat, but that's about as much as I can say right now. Setting it up with the MSS bag was,for me, a little different than on the ALICE frame but not bad.
By the way, for those of you wanting Large ALICE packs in woodland, uscav.com will have them in stock on 3/11/13...but at a price...$79.95 for the pack with no frame. |
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Originally Posted By xcibes:
I got mine on eBay. I think I paid $25 for it. I have not had a chance to take it out yet. Looks neat, but that's about as much as I can say right now. Setting it up with the MSS bag was,for me, a little different than on the ALICE frame but not bad. By the way, for those of you wanting Large ALICE packs in woodland, uscav.com will have them in stock on 3/11/13...but at a price...$79.95 for the pack with no frame. I keep hearing about genuine USGI large ALICE packs in woodland. I've never seen one, but I'd like to buy one if it is actually genuine USGI. OTOH, I've seen LOTS of copies, some better made than others, but even the best of these are suspect as to quality, IMHO. The hard thing to evaluate is the quality of the stitching, and even harder--going on impossible--is the quality of the thread used. No offense to above poster. |
"The M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." General George S. Patton Jr.,US Army
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By xcibes:
I got mine on eBay. I think I paid $25 for it. I have not had a chance to take it out yet. Looks neat, but that's about as much as I can say right now. Setting it up with the MSS bag was,for me, a little different than on the ALICE frame but not bad. By the way, for those of you wanting Large ALICE packs in woodland, uscav.com will have them in stock on 3/11/13...but at a price...$79.95 for the pack with no frame. I keep hearing about genuine USGI large ALICE packs in woodland. I've never seen one, but I'd like to buy one if it is actually genuine USGI. OTOH, I've seen LOTS of copies, some better made than others, but even the best of these are suspect as to quality, IMHO. The hard thing to evaluate is the quality of the stitching, and even harder--going on impossible--is the quality of the thread used. No offense to above poster. Yes indeed I've looked forever for a large woodland issue pack. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By xcibes:
I got mine on eBay. I think I paid $25 for it. I have not had a chance to take it out yet. Looks neat, but that's about as much as I can say right now. Setting it up with the MSS bag was,for me, a little different than on the ALICE frame but not bad. By the way, for those of you wanting Large ALICE packs in woodland, uscav.com will have them in stock on 3/11/13...but at a price...$79.95 for the pack with no frame. I keep hearing about genuine USGI large ALICE packs in woodland. I've never seen one, but I'd like to buy one if it is actually genuine USGI. OTOH, I've seen LOTS of copies, some better made than others, but even the best of these are suspect as to quality, IMHO. The hard thing to evaluate is the quality of the stitching, and even harder--going on impossible--is the quality of the thread used. No offense to above poster. No offense taken. Us Cav does not specifically state that these are GI or surplus or anything like that, so I assume these are commercial. As to the quality, I cannot say; I'm just putting out there because I know there is interest. That is all. |
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By xcibes:
I got mine on eBay. I think I paid $25 for it. I have not had a chance to take it out yet. Looks neat, but that's about as much as I can say right now. Setting it up with the MSS bag was,for me, a little different than on the ALICE frame but not bad. By the way, for those of you wanting Large ALICE packs in woodland, uscav.com will have them in stock on 3/11/13...but at a price...$79.95 for the pack with no frame. I keep hearing about genuine USGI large ALICE packs in woodland. I've never seen one, but I'd like to buy one if it is actually genuine USGI. OTOH, I've seen LOTS of copies, some better made than others, but even the best of these are suspect as to quality, IMHO. The hard thing to evaluate is the quality of the stitching, and even harder--going on impossible--is the quality of the thread used. No offense to above poster. raf They are out there; saw my first in the TNSG with another Lt who had one. He bought as surplus for about $10. I searched these out many years ago and seem to recall they were Air Force issue. Thats not gospel, just what I seem to remember. Rod |
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