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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:31:01 AM EDT
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Tell me more about the tarp.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:55:13 AM EDT
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Tarp is ripstop nylon, I bought a bunch from the remnant table. Sewed two lengths together, hemmed the edges, sewed on the webbing at the corners and middle.
The hard part is keeping the seams straight! That nylon is slippery. Hit it with 3M spray and voila! tested it this week with the rain we've had, it works! The next one I do I plan on taking pics as a tutorial post in the Survival Gear Forum.... |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:41:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TimJ: Tarp is ripstop nylon, I bought a bunch from the remnant table. Sewed two lengths together, hemmed the edges, sewed on the webbing at the corners and middle. The hard part is keeping the seams straight! That nylon is slippery. Hit it with 3M spray and voila! tested it this week with the rain we've had, it works! The next one I do I plan on taking pics as a tutorial post in the Survival Gear Forum.... good job...... i take it you used the 1 inch nylon webbing as well. try some of the grosgrain ribbon. It will save weight and it a tad cheaper.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:50:33 PM EDT
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protus- I had the webbing laying around. Every time something gets thrown away I cut off the buckles, sliders, and webbing....all goes into a box.
I'l look into that, though, for when I run out, thanks for the tip! |
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:19:19 AM EDT
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My LBE |
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Posted: 6/24/2011 7:01:15 PM EDT
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Love it spartacus! Old school trumps new school
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:11:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TimJ:
Love it spartacus! Old school trumps new school what can I say, it works for me 
The SAW pouches can hold anything from more mags to a canteen to a camelback. You cannot see it, but I have an LBE belt pad on the inside. |
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Posted: 6/27/2011 7:05:04 PM EDT
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FYI, and sent to Tactical Tailor today:
"A lot of folks still use ALICE gear, as it is inexpensive and widely available. Some folks like it because they used it in the Mil; some because it suits their budget. That said, everybody hates ALICE clips, even if they work right, something not always the case when buying surplus Remember that the later MOLLE/PALS system was intended to accommodate ALICE gear as an interim measure. SO, why don’t you all offer slender MALICE clips designed to replace the hated, often damaged, and always heavy ALICE clips? Just scale them down in width, and make sure they will fit USGI ALICE gear and MOLLE/PALS rigs. Sounds like a no-brainer to me, and I think you would sell a few. raf, Sr. Staff, AR15.com." |
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Posted: 7/7/2011 3:32:26 PM EDT
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Used my tarp again this weekend, one rain storm left a corner full of water....no leaks! very pleased with my tarp beast.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2011 7:33:06 PM EDT
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Just found this thread the other day.I wish I would have known all these helpful modifications when we were still using the LBE/Alice set up.I've found out in the recent weeks that buying and collecting this gear can be as addicting as BRD
 Great thread though and I hope you guys will keep the outstanding ideas coming.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2011 12:01:22 PM EDT
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Wish I'd'a read through this thread (or that I'd known it existed) before I bought some cheap ALICE items back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...
I'll get some pics up of how I have my stuff configured now, but I am really thinking I should take the "tire iron" solution (thanks for the tip, Currahee) and replace all my ALICE clips, as well as metal buckles and snap-hooks, with 550 cord... At very least I need to replace those blasted clips! Time to find a couple hundred feet of inexpensive 550. Raf, I hope TT comes through on that idea of yours. It'd certainly be an improvement over the metal bits, and slightly easier to reconfigure than zip-ties or 550 loops, in my (unqualified) opinion. |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 3:02:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b:At very least I need to replace those blasted clips! Time to find a couple hundred feet of inexpensive 550.
Make sure it's the good stuff with the seven inner strands. 
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2011 11:04:13 AM EDT
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My good ol' ALICE setup that still works great.
Eagle belt pad BHI 2.25" belt Y suspendars compass pouch BHI butt pack (2)Spec Ops X4 pouches (2)GI AR15 pouches nalgene pouch (can't remember who makes it) Bianchi M12 holster Phrobis III bayonet |
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Posted: 10/11/2011 2:46:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By Enforcer:
raf, thanks for the input; I agree w/ you 100% . My whole point in posting my mods is to share new ideas and to help others think outside the box. In turn it stimulates others to be creative; we ithen reap the benefits of new and fresh ideas. Speaking of new ideas; did you see my "Bobcat" mod to the medium alice at the bottom of page 11 ? it solves alot of failures w/ the med alice w/o frame. Enforcer Yes, I did, and I'm going to make good use of your basic Idea. What I will do is obtain some aluminum tubing, paint the center section OD, and either cap the ends or plug the ends with some neoprene plugs. The hollow nylon is somewhat hard to get, and unless the ends of the tubing are capped with round-shouldered caps, or the neoprene plugs extend beyond the metal tubing, wear could still occur over time. In a pinch, most folks could simply chamfer the outsides of the ends of the tube, and wrap same with a few layers of duct tape. Not like that part of the tube will ever see daylight again. Overall, an excellent idea. Congrats! I just built three Bobcats last weekend. I had found an Ebay vendor that had excellent condition med. Alice rucks with straps for only $9 apiece and I couldn't resist at that price. For "tubing" I used some sections of a lamp stand that I scrounged out of a dumpster...it was FREE. I actually purchased some hollow nylon from a place called Strapworks. They shipped lightning fast and the stuff is CHEAP- .40 a foot. Ten feet- enough to do all my packs and have a bunch left over was only $4 and about same in shipping. I figured I could/would find a use for the rest of it sooner or later! Can highly recommend Strapworks! Local surplus store had some pretty ratty looking sleeping mats that I was able to purchase for $2 for 3 of them....worked out pretty well. Here-http://www.strapworks.com/Tubular_Nylon_s/62.htm |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 6:28:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By ARJJ: Raf, are you talking about using a MOLLE waistbelt on just the ALICE pack itself, or on the ALICE pack frame? Both. In my first post, I discuss removing the waistbelt from a MOLLE FLC vest, and using it as a belly band for an ALICE pack without frame. In my post immediately above, I'm suggesting to Morg, and others, that the Molle pack waistbelt, installed/retrofitted onto the ALICE packframe is something very much worth considering. I'm posting in here because I spent about 20 hours going through my winter BugOutBag about a week or two ago... My winter BoB is a Large ALICE w/ Radio Pouch, modified frame, and MOLLE sleep system carrier below it. I'm definitely liking the Medium ALICE modifications listed previously in this thread simply for their lighter weight, and the fact that the Medium ALICE pack won't ALLOW you to over-pack your bag too heavily!!! There is definitely some merit to that approach! I borrowed a postal scale, took it home, and weighed out every single item in my BOB, including the bag itself, and found ways of shaving off weight here & there... I measured everything down to the pounds & ounces (in decimal pounds), and saw quite clearly how QUICKLY ounces add up to pounds... I also learned how I AM TERRIBLE at being able to pick up a weight, and discern between "This is 20 pounds, this is 45 pounds", etc... I found I can only 'Sense' weight change in increments of about 4 to 5 pounds. So if I have a pack weight of 50 pounds, I can't much 'Feel' the difference if I add 1.5 more pounds. When picking up my pack, I thought, "Yeah, that's maybe 65 to 70 pounds... Not too bad, but it could definitely stand to shave some weight off - no big deal." Turns out it weighed in around 84 pounds! A true MN Winter BoB can be obscenely heavy due to the temperature extremes - especially if you just think "I'll need this, I'll need that" and start throwing things in the Large ALICE pack! I managed to cut my pack weight down from 84 pounds to about 50. Then I brought it back up to about ~53.5 pounds by adding a few more useful & versatile tools and clothing. If I want to cut my pack weight further, I have to make NOTEWORTHY weight cuts at least in increments of 4 pounds to make it worthwhile. You really start to evaluate with more scrutiny regarding what you "really NEED!" My Large ALICE with modified Frame, and strapped-on MOLLE sleep system carrier weigh nearly 10 pounds on their own. When I strap on additional pouches it gets even heavier... A rubberized USGI waterproof bag weighs about 2.5 pounds just the bag alone IIRC. I opted to use a lightweight nylon sleeping bag compression sack that was heavily treated with waterproofing. I also got rid of the ~2.5 pound USGI Poncho Liner... I used to use it as a sleeping bag liner while winter camping, but it's not worth the weight, IMHO. I made up an Excel Spreadsheet that showed my pack's FORMER weight, and it's "Proposed" weight with various modifications. There were about 80 different of items I put in my pack. By categorizing, weighing, & tracking things based upon the number and weight of items made things a lot easier! With that I was able to adjust my pack weight in NOTABLE increments and I loved that I could actually FEEL the pack getting lighter with each moderate change. Onces Become Pounds! Shave ounces wherever you can! Think Lightweight! if something is bulky but lightweight - who cares - it's better than compact & heavy!!! I also came to realize, when my pack weight was reduced significantly I noticed it took up infinitely less bulk as well - I could get away with using a medium ALICE if I really wanted... I'm keeping the frame though - because of its durability, and versatility in load carriage of tools. Though I might swap out the Large ALICE for a Medium sometime... |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 3:24:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
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There is an old saying to the effect of: "Worry about the ounces, and the pounds take care of themselves".
Whether or not you are a fair estimator/judge of weight by hefting an object is one thing, but it is certainly the case that the rest of your body will be able to sense every single ounce at the end of a long day's trek. |
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Posted: 12/10/2011 8:35:36 PM EDT
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BTT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2011 9:46:24 PM EDT
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Well, I may not have done the 550 solution for my (really basic) setup, but I'll post it anyhow.
Here's the whole rig. Nothing fancy, in fact most of it is stuff I picked up for nearly a song and had sitting in my closet for-ev-er. 
Starting from the left side of the belt buckle...a first aid/compass pouch, 2 GI mag pouches (for magazines), a 1qt canteen cover with canteen in it, then a Woodland pattern buttpack, another canteen cover with contents, a GI mag pouch in use as a "stuff pouch" (and located as far to the rear as I can get it, but I need to do something to mark it to sight and touch), and another mag pouch (for mags). Detail pics (in order of the description): 
You can see which pouches are for magazines, and the "stuff pouch" currently is displaying a set of compact binoculars. Planning on adding a multi-tool, space blanket, maybe some other small essentials to it, but I don't want to run the risk of overdoing it. Speaking of overdoing it, I might just ditch the second magazine pouch on my left side, because now that I think about it some, it's basically set up as a Walter Mitty "going to war" setup, based on the ammo percentage in here. 9x30 in the rig and one in the rifle...seems like kind of a lot, after some thought. Thinking I should pick up another compass pouch or two, use them to stash a couple extra Israeli bandages or gauze, and one for an actual compass & navigation cheat card. Also planning to ditch the ALICE clips for a comfier (and lighter) alternative as soon as feasible. Here's a picture of why: 
Also probably going to cut the grenade loops off all my mag pouches. Might keep one on the pouch to the immediate right of the belt buckle, but that's doubtful. Like Raf said, ounces add up. Might also remove a couple of the magazine pouches from it, too. Those are relatively recent additions, haven't tested anything with them on other than some brief "fitting" wear. This thing doesn't get a whole lot of attention from me very often, though I've hiked with it before, but not with mags etc. in it; I used other items to give it some weight. Liked it well enough, but that was a while ago. As I said above, it's kind of my "off to war" or "zombie uprising" setup, both of which are rather unrealistic. I'm thinking I'll trim a few things down and see how I like it then. Might add a Glock E-tool (hung above the buttpack, if I can swing it) at some point too. |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 4:11:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b:
Well, I may not have done the 550 solution for my (really basic) setup, but I'll post it anyhow. Here's the whole rig. Nothing fancy, in fact most of it is stuff I picked up for nearly a song and had sitting in my closet for-ev-er. http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_overall.jpg Starting from the left side of the belt buckle...a first aid/compass pouch, 2 GI mag pouches (for magazines), a 1qt canteen cover with canteen in it, then a Woodland pattern buttpack, another canteen cover with contents, a GI mag pouch in use as a "stuff pouch" (and located as far to the rear as I can get it, but I need to do something to mark it to sight and touch), and another mag pouch (for mags). Detail pics (in order of the description): http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Leftside.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Center.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Rightside.jpg You can see which pouches are for magazines, and the "stuff pouch" currently is displaying a set of compact binoculars. Planning on adding a multi-tool, space blanket, maybe some other small essentials to it, but I don't want to run the risk of overdoing it. Speaking of overdoing it, I might just ditch the second magazine pouch on my left side, because now that I think about it some, it's basically set up as a Walter Mitty "going to war" setup, based on the ammo percentage in here. 9x30 in the rig and one in the rifle...seems like kind of a lot, after some thought. Thinking I should pick up another compass pouch or two, use them to stash a couple extra Israeli bandages or gauze, and one for an actual compass & navigation cheat card. Also planning to ditch the ALICE clips for a comfier (and lighter) alternative as soon as feasible. Here's a picture of why: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Back-with-clips.jpg Also probably going to cut the grenade loops off all my mag pouches. Might keep one on the pouch to the immediate right of the belt buckle, but that's doubtful. Like Raf said, ounces add up. Might also remove a couple of the magazine pouches from it, too. Those are relatively recent additions, haven't tested anything with them on other than some brief "fitting" wear. This thing doesn't get a whole lot of attention from me very often, though I've hiked with it before, but not with mags etc. in it; I used other items to give it some weight. Liked it well enough, but that was a while ago. As I said above, it's kind of my "off to war" or "zombie uprising" setup, both of which are rather unrealistic. I'm thinking I'll trim a few things down and see how I like it then. Might add a Glock E-tool (hung above the buttpack, if I can swing it) at some point too. You might also consider a hydration bladder vs dual canteen setups. |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 8:32:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b:
Well, I may not have done the 550 solution for my (really basic) setup, but I'll post it anyhow. Here's the whole rig. Nothing fancy, in fact most of it is stuff I picked up for nearly a song and had sitting in my closet for-ev-er. http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_overall.jpg Starting from the left side of the belt buckle...a first aid/compass pouch, 2 GI mag pouches (for magazines), a 1qt canteen cover with canteen in it, then a Woodland pattern buttpack, another canteen cover with contents, a GI mag pouch in use as a "stuff pouch" (and located as far to the rear as I can get it, but I need to do something to mark it to sight and touch), and another mag pouch (for mags). Detail pics (in order of the description): http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Leftside.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Center.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Rightside.jpg You can see which pouches are for magazines, and the "stuff pouch" currently is displaying a set of compact binoculars. Planning on adding a multi-tool, space blanket, maybe some other small essentials to it, but I don't want to run the risk of overdoing it. Speaking of overdoing it, I might just ditch the second magazine pouch on my left side, because now that I think about it some, it's basically set up as a Walter Mitty "going to war" setup, based on the ammo percentage in here. 9x30 in the rig and one in the rifle...seems like kind of a lot, after some thought. Thinking I should pick up another compass pouch or two, use them to stash a couple extra Israeli bandages or gauze, and one for an actual compass & navigation cheat card. Also planning to ditch the ALICE clips for a comfier (and lighter) alternative as soon as feasible. Here's a picture of why: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Back-with-clips.jpg Also probably going to cut the grenade loops off all my mag pouches. Might keep one on the pouch to the immediate right of the belt buckle, but that's doubtful. Like Raf said, ounces add up. Might also remove a couple of the magazine pouches from it, too. Those are relatively recent additions, haven't tested anything with them on other than some brief "fitting" wear. This thing doesn't get a whole lot of attention from me very often, though I've hiked with it before, but not with mags etc. in it; I used other items to give it some weight. Liked it well enough, but that was a while ago. As I said above, it's kind of my "off to war" or "zombie uprising" setup, both of which are rather unrealistic. I'm thinking I'll trim a few things down and see how I like it then. Might add a Glock E-tool (hung above the buttpack, if I can swing it) at some point too. You might also consider a hydration bladder vs dual canteen setups. It's somewhere on my "to-do" list...
But seriously, yes, that's a strong consideration. At the moment, I have a 2L Camelbak Stealth carrier and bladder...in nice bright black. So if I really need to toss on some H2O, that'll get worn over-top the LBE. The plus side (in my mind) being that it's also easier to ditch separately, or to leave the LBE cached for "going light" if need be...but that's kinda an unrealistic plan. Far more likely I'd have my BCM/03 MSF chest rig on over the ALICE gear, if it's really that bad––with the camelbak bladder in that, and use the LBE as a cache-able item. Unfortunately my budget presently precludes any new gear acquisitions, except I might be able to swing a spool of 550 cord for the household. So for the moment, most of this is just wishful thinking on my part
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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:50:11 PM EDT
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I'm still a canteen fan.
The tube? Shit, with a canteen i can drink when i want, but with the tube, you always have it "there". |
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Posted: 12/17/2011 2:19:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: Well, I may not have done the 550 solution for my (really basic) setup, but I'll post it anyhow. Here's the whole rig. Nothing fancy, in fact most of it is stuff I picked up for nearly a song and had sitting in my closet for-ev-er. http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_overall.jpg Starting from the left side of the belt buckle...a first aid/compass pouch, 2 GI mag pouches (for magazines), a 1qt canteen cover with canteen in it, then a Woodland pattern buttpack, another canteen cover with contents, a GI mag pouch in use as a "stuff pouch" (and located as far to the rear as I can get it, but I need to do something to mark it to sight and touch), and another mag pouch (for mags). Detail pics (in order of the description): http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Leftside.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Center.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Rightside.jpg You can see which pouches are for magazines, and the "stuff pouch" currently is displaying a set of compact binoculars. Planning on adding a multi-tool, space blanket, maybe some other small essentials to it, but I don't want to run the risk of overdoing it. Speaking of overdoing it, I might just ditch the second magazine pouch on my left side, because now that I think about it some, it's basically set up as a Walter Mitty "going to war" setup, based on the ammo percentage in here. 9x30 in the rig and one in the rifle...seems like kind of a lot, after some thought. Thinking I should pick up another compass pouch or two, use them to stash a couple extra Israeli bandages or gauze, and one for an actual compass & navigation cheat card. Also planning to ditch the ALICE clips for a comfier (and lighter) alternative as soon as feasible. Here's a picture of why: http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m186/Cal30M1Guy/Gear%20et%20cetera/ALICE_Back-with-clips.jpg Also probably going to cut the grenade loops off all my mag pouches. Might keep one on the pouch to the immediate right of the belt buckle, but that's doubtful. Like Raf said, ounces add up. Might also remove a couple of the magazine pouches from it, too. Those are relatively recent additions, haven't tested anything with them on other than some brief "fitting" wear. This thing doesn't get a whole lot of attention from me very often, though I've hiked with it before, but not with mags etc. in it; I used other items to give it some weight. Liked it well enough, but that was a while ago. As I said above, it's kind of my "off to war" or "zombie uprising" setup, both of which are rather unrealistic. I'm thinking I'll trim a few things down and see how I like it then. Might add a Glock E-tool (hung above the buttpack, if I can swing it) at some point too. You might also consider a hydration bladder vs dual canteen setups. I'm doing both, although I may ditch a canteen. Kind of hard to pour water out of a CamelBak, especially one integrated into ALICE gear or similar types of gear. |
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Posted: 12/17/2011 12:00:44 PM EDT
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Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket.
I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 |
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Posted: 12/18/2011 5:30:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. |
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Posted: 12/19/2011 8:55:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 |
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Posted: 12/19/2011 4:31:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. |
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:15:05 PM EDT
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I just Krylon my gear that doesn't fit my camo pattern of choice (MultiCam).
I get close sometimes with my Faux-Multicam (AKA: FaultyCam - it's close enough for me). I just finished making another ALICE setup, but I'm thinking I might modify it some more, integrate a quick-detachable 72hr assault pack, etc... |
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:21:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood: I just Krylon my gear that doesn't fit my camo pattern of choice (MultiCam). I get close sometimes with my Faux-Multicam (AKA: FaultyCam - it's close enough for me). I just finished making another ALICE setup, but I'm thinking I might modify it some more, integrate a quick-detachable 72hr assault pack, etc... Painting it doesn't look bad? Do you have any pics? |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 9:45:38 AM EDT
[#29]
I don't have any ALICE gear painted up yet, but I do have some MOLLE pouches on my multicam plate carrier that were at one time either coyote Tan, or OD Green... I sprayed them to dull their color, and try to blend them with MultiCam better. They don't look great by any stretch of the imagination, but they're no longer heavily contrasting... Tan gear holds paint better than some of the OD Green stuff. I'd suspect that bleaching the OD stuff first might make it accept the paint better. Sorry, don't have pics at the moment - maybe I can get some on Thursday evening or something? |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 2:40:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 9:35:06 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. I'm running VN era, NOS M1967 suspenders on a Dutch LBV crammed with USMC Coyote Brown pouches. I painted another Dutch LBV FDE, but am not running it with this. I guess I am not anal about color of gear as long as it works camo-wise and it works. I want to pull the rear panel and convert it to a ltwt rig, but I haven't had time. The dutch panels take ALICE or M1917 as well as MOLLE BTW. It's not perfect yet but I like the combo of ALICE and MOLLE gear. I like the lack of a web belt personally. The addition of the M1967 suspenders BTW gave the rig a whole new feeling - actually more comfortable as the oversized pads don't rub on my neck. I did hook up the painted Dutch panels to a Tan LC2 'Y harness' but haven't had time to string some cord in the back and try some weight on it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 9:55:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By larryparamedic:
Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. Those are some great tips on the pouches. |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 11:54:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 2:50:59 AM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By Morg308: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. I'm running VN era, NOS M1967 suspenders on a Dutch LBV crammed with USMC Coyote Brown pouches. I painted another Dutch LBV FDE, but am not running it with this. I guess I am not anal about color of gear as long as it works camo-wise and it works. I want to pull the rear panel and convert it to a ltwt rig, but I haven't had time. The dutch panels take ALICE or M1917 as well as MOLLE BTW. It's not perfect yet but I like the combo of ALICE and MOLLE gear. I like the lack of a web belt personally. The addition of the M1967 suspenders BTW gave the rig a whole new feeling - actually more comfortable as the oversized pads don't rub on my neck. I did hook up the painted Dutch panels to a Tan LC2 'Y harness' but haven't had time to string some cord in the back and try some weight on it. I looked up the Dutch LBV to see what it looks like and your set was among the first results on Google. I'm rather surprised that it is M1910 compatible; I do use the wire hangers for a couple of items. Speaking of which, does anyone know a source for extra wire hangers? I'm not sure how the LBV-style set-up would work for me. Right now I keep my belt a bit lower than I'd like (and it feels odd although it presents no significant functional issues) so that it doesn't interfere with the wiast belt on my pack. Right now I'm thinking of replacing my M1961 field pack with a South African Pattern 70 equivalent. On your set-up do you have a fieldpack or something else there when you use the Camelbak instead of the 2-qt canteen? |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 7:20:42 AM EDT
[#35]
can you post a pic of your modded Dutch LBV?
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Posted: 12/21/2011 3:18:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By firedog51d: can you post a pic of your modded Dutch LBV? It's in an earlier page of this thread. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 3:30:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#37]
Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 8:27:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
[#38]
I understand they used extra socks or battle dressings under the mags to raise them up in Vietnam. (SOG teams). This makes more sense to me than useless foam frankly. In the pics of my LBV I have a two qt canteen attched at the rear, where a buttpack would go. I did that just to show that the M1910 clips work on this - I don't run it that way. In fact, I run it with no buttpack at all, although I recently got a CB FAK pouch for it that I may use there. I don't want bulk back there, as there is a good chance I might end up in a vehicle wearing it, but I need a blow-out kit.
The current pack I use is anything but high-tech - it's a modified M1941 pack - I can't help it, I love the dumb things. i just bought another one, which makes an even 10 I own I think. My camera died, but I'm buying a new one in a few weeks when I have time to shop and will post pics at some point. The pack is big, but not too big to kill you, and was designed for skiiing, so climbs well, especially the way I have it set up. I'll try and have some friends take pics of me wearing the gear when I can - right now I'm just working a lot. ETA: UV rated wire ties still break - I'm an electrician, I've seen it, and that's not even under hard use. I think 550 cord is a better setup for SHTF, but if you changing gear around a lot, or a LEO etc. then it's a great tip. I did use some to resecure my MOLLE canteens to the LBV. My main issue with it at present is the back panel - I'd like to do away with it entirely, but haven't had time to try such a setup, as I said. I bought 4 of these LBVs used for $24.95 IIRC, and had them shipped with some other crap from Sportsmansguide at the time on a shipping special for $4.99 IIRC. They are far from perfect, but they sure were cheap. I figure I have around $25 to $30 into my entire LBV setup at present if you don't count the FAK, which I think was $15 off the EE awhile back. |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 2:04:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. I'm not using a LBV, I'm using a pistol belt and the Y-harness ALICE suspenders (which I intend to replace with M1967 suspenders). |
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Posted: 12/22/2011 5:44:28 PM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. I'm not using a LBV, I'm using a pistol belt and the Y-harness ALICE suspenders (which I intend to replace with M1967 suspenders). OK, then you will probably clip the front hooks of the suspenders to the pouches, as per the ALICE manual. If you are using pairs of mag pouches, then run a length of 550 cord through the center back eyelets of each pair of pouches. You can then either connect the front suspender clip to the length of 550 cord (short cord method) or run a longer length of cord up to the metal ring at the bottom front of the LBE harness (long cord method). Affix snap hook of harness to conveniant point on belt near, and preferably inbetween pouches. |
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Posted: 12/23/2011 6:10:47 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. I'm not using a LBV, I'm using a pistol belt and the Y-harness ALICE suspenders (which I intend to replace with M1967 suspenders). OK, then you will probably clip the front hooks of the suspenders to the pouches, as per the ALICE manual. If you are using pairs of mag pouches, then run a length of 550 cord through the center back eyelets of each pair of pouches. You can then either connect the front suspender clip to the length of 550 cord (short cord method) or run a longer length of cord up to the metal ring at the bottom front of the LBE harness (long cord method). Affix snap hook of harness to conveniant point on belt near, and preferably inbetween pouches. What's the purpose of that configuration? I've had the clips attached to te eyelets at the top of the inner pouches (I have four, two on each side, but I may reduce that to three, with two on the left and one on the right). The way I have it now I can go prone with my belt buckled and not be laying down on top of the pouches. |
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Posted: 12/23/2011 5:02:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#42]
Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. I'm not using a LBV, I'm using a pistol belt and the Y-harness ALICE suspenders (which I intend to replace with M1967 suspenders). OK, then you will probably clip the front hooks of the suspenders to the pouches, as per the ALICE manual. If you are using pairs of mag pouches, then run a length of 550 cord through the center back eyelets of each pair of pouches. You can then either connect the front suspender clip to the length of 550 cord (short cord method) or run a longer length of cord up to the metal ring at the bottom front of the LBE harness (long cord method). Affix snap hook of harness to conveniant point on belt near, and preferably inbetween pouches. What's the purpose of that configuration? I've had the clips attached to te eyelets at the top of the inner pouches (I have four, two on each side, but I may reduce that to three, with two on the left and one on the right). The way I have it now I can go prone with my belt buckled and not be laying down on top of the pouches. The ALICE pouches were originally designed to be supported via the top, back eyelet. They tend to droop a bit if not supported so, and the droop hampers easy access to the pouch closure clasp, and mags themselves. Less droop, more better. My suggestions are field-expedient alternatives for folks––such as yourself–– wearing more than the std two ALICE pouches. FYI, a company called FMCO makes an ALICE-type shoulder harness with either eight, or four load-bearing down-straps––your option. Might be just the ticket for you. I have bought some M1 Garand clip pouches from them, and the assy/materials quality is first-rate. Are you a lefty? If so, your 3-pouch configuration makes sense. If not, and you are a righty, put your pair of mag pouches on your right side, and the single on your left. |
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Posted: 12/23/2011 8:49:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By larryparamedic: Yea I have both as well. I even picked up one of those milsurp plastic "flasks" that seemed kind of handy in a cargo pocket. I've been finding the hydration bladders on ebay for a great price. You can find the milsurp carriers with new Camelbak bladder, bite valve etc for less than $20 I didn't realize there were milsurp bladder carriers. I've been using a CamelBak Thermobak with my ALICE gear. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRATION-SYSTEM-CARRIER-CAMELBAK-STORM-CANTEEN-US-MILITARY-CANTEEN-OD-GREEN-VG-/300637024690?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ff5cf1b2 These are the ones I've been getting on the cheap. I'm an ODGreen nut, though. Higher price for the ACU stuff but they are easy to find as well. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOLLE-II-US-Military-Hydramax-Camelbak-3L-100-Oz-Hydration-System-Backpack-/230705902821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b724b4e5 I bought a Coyote Brown Camelbak because apparently Camelbak has discontinued their OD versions. I'm starting to like the colour, though, and I'm thinking of maybe an all-coyote set-up. The M1967 suspenders are the only thing I can't find in that colour. I wonder if the OD stuff can be bleached and died coyote. For now I'm keeping what I have, though, although I'm making smaller changes. I do want better pouches for FAL mags compatible with ALICE. Using the M-16 pouches sucks. The flap is difficult to get up, the pouches are a bit too deep, and the slient clasp thing gets in the way. I'm liking snaps and lift-the-dot as fasteners right now. The best solution for the GI 3X30-mag pouches being too deep for 20-rd 7.62 maqge is to install Magpuls on the mag baseplates. The portion of the magpul that goes around the body of the mag reduces mag rattle, and the pull-loop eliminates extraction problems. An expedient––and cheap–– solution is to stuff some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (make sure to punch a drain hole), and wrap some motorcycle inner tube bands around the bottom of the mags to reduce rattle. The depth is a fairly minor issue compared to the other two. I may just get real magpuls as efforts at expedient ones failed. The difficulties with the flap and the clasp are the big issues for me. The Magpul loops will serve to help "pop-open" the lid, and also keep it open, all to some degree. You can still insert some closed-cell foam into the bottom of the pouch (USGI sleeping pad is perfect) to raise the magpul-ed mags some, which will accentuate the "pop-open" feature, but be careful that the mags are not raised so much as to make it possible for them to inadvertantly exit an opened pouch. Maybe start with one layer of foam. Don't forget drain-hole. The 3X30-rd USGI mag pouches were originally intended to be clipped onto the pistol belt, and also supported, via the single eyelet on center back by the LBE harness. This kept the top-heavy mag pouches in a more vertical position, making access easier. It might be worth your while to experiment with outdoor-rated, thin, black wire-ties attached to your LBV and to the center back support eyelet on the pouch. Such outdoor-rated wire-ties can also be used to replace the metal ALICE clips, thus saving weight. Obviously, thin ones for eyelet use, and wider ones for main support/attachment of the pouch itself. Don't forget––outdoor-rated wire-ties only. I'm not using a LBV, I'm using a pistol belt and the Y-harness ALICE suspenders (which I intend to replace with M1967 suspenders). OK, then you will probably clip the front hooks of the suspenders to the pouches, as per the ALICE manual. If you are using pairs of mag pouches, then run a length of 550 cord through the center back eyelets of each pair of pouches. You can then either connect the front suspender clip to the length of 550 cord (short cord method) or run a longer length of cord up to the metal ring at the bottom front of the LBE harness (long cord method). Affix snap hook of harness to conveniant point on belt near, and preferably inbetween pouches. What's the purpose of that configuration? I've had the clips attached to te eyelets at the top of the inner pouches (I have four, two on each side, but I may reduce that to three, with two on the left and one on the right). The way I have it now I can go prone with my belt buckled and not be laying down on top of the pouches. The ALICE pouches were originally designed to be supported via the top, back eyelet. They tend to droop a bit if not supported so, and the droop hampers easy access to the pouch closure clasp, and mags themselves. Less droop, more better. My suggestions are field-expedient alternatives for folks––such as yourself–– wearing more than the std two ALICE pouches. FYI, a company called FMCO makes an ALICE-type shoulder harness with either eight, or four load-bearing down-straps––your option. Might be just the ticket for you. I have bought some M1 Garand clip pouches from them, and the assy/materials quality is first-rate. Are you a lefty? If so, your 3-pouch configuration makes sense. If not, and you are a righty, put your pair of mag pouches on your right side, and the single on your left. I shoot right-handed (although I used to shoot left-handed; I was forced to change). However, I tend to maintain my firing grip with my right hand while reloading with my left hand, hence why I have my pouches the way I do. If I were still using a bolt-action like I did before I got my FAL, I'd have the pouches reversed, since I held the firearm with my left hand and loaded with my right. I'm considering ditching the outer right pouch since I have it behind my holster and it is very hard to reach with my left hand. I'll have to try the trick with the para cord you mentioned. |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:58:37 PM EDT
[#44]
Bump so it doesn't get archived.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 3:41:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jdubya87]
[#45]
For you really retro minded folks out there...
http://olongapooutfitters.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=101 Garand en bloc pouch with alice clips. Comes in 2 or 4 clip sizes. New mfg. I own the cartridge belt, its good quality. Anyone got any links to online alice gear sellers? Old Grouch has a special going on the LBE sets. http://store.oldgrouch.biz/usmilbesepib.html |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 1:34:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By jdubya87: For you really retro minded folks out there... http://olongapooutfitters.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=101 Garand en bloc pouch with alice clips. Comes in 2 or 4 clip sizes. New mfg. I own the cartridge belt, its good quality. Anyone got any links to online alice gear sellers? Old Grouch has a special going on the LBE sets. http://store.oldgrouch.biz/usmilbesepib.html I've been wondering how his pouches do with other cartridges on stripper clips. He has some nice stuff; his custom work is nice as well. |
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:50:54 AM EDT
[#47]
Not ALICE, but compatible. I have been thinking about using the Lightweight rucksack. Not as big as the ALICE but it does have some interesting features and would certainly work as an emeregency pack along with the ALICE gear. It has one very cool "butt pocket" that allows you to carry your rifle on your pack.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:27:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#48]
Originally Posted By xcibes: That's an old Vietnam-era Lightweight Rucksack. In nice condition (as yours appears to be), they fetch over $100 on Ebay––at least mine did. Might want to think about the wisdom of using it Vs selling it and using the $$ to buy something better that is not a collector's item. FWIW, your frame is missing the center horizontal back band, and I believe also missing is the belly band, but they can be had without too much difficulty.Not ALICE, but compatible. I have been thinking about using the Lightweight rucksack. Not as big as the ALICE but it does have some interesting features and would certainly work as an emeregency pack along with the ALICE gear. It has one very cool "butt pocket" that allows you to carry your rifle on your pack. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/xcibes/DSC_0236.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/xcibes/DSC_0237.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/xcibes/DSC_0238.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/xcibes/DSC_0239-1.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/xcibes/DSC_0240-1.jpg If you sold it off, you could buy (all USGI) a LG ALICE pack, Frame, MOLLE shoulder straps, MOLLE waistbelt, MOLLE Modular Sleeping System (MSS) carrier, and an ALICE cargo shelf, and be MILES ahead of the Lightweight Ruck in terms of comfort and load-carrying capability, not to mention having a few bucks left over. Just a suggestion, and YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/10/2012 8:02:03 PM EDT
[#49]
It's also the most uncomfortable frame pack I've ever put on. Sheer torture IMO. I do like the pack itself, but the frame is too tall for me. The Canucks ended up using the same frame for their M1964 Rucksack. Nearly identical, but pack is different.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 10:22:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By raf:
That's an old Vietnam-era Lightweight Rucksack. In nice condition (as yours appears to be), they fetch over $100 on Ebay––at least mine did. Might want to think about the wisdom of using it Vs selling it and using the $$ to buy something better that is not a collector's item. FWIW, your frame is missing the center horizontal back band, and I believe also missing is the belly band, but they can be had without too much difficulty. If you sold it off, you could buy (all USGI) a LG ALICE pack, Frame, MOLLE shoulder straps, MOLLE waistbelt, MOLLE Modular Sleeping System (MSS) carrier, and an ALICE cargo shelf, and be MILES ahead of the Lightweight Ruck in terms of comfort and load-carrying capability, not to mention having a few bucks left over. Just a suggestion, and YMMV. Thanks,I know what it is and I know what they go for. I also have a million different rucks and I gave up on collectibility, If I own I i want to use it, if I can't use it it goes on sale. I generally use a medium ALICE but I thought it would be interesting to try this one out. My cuurrent bag is a Medium Woodland ALICE with LC2 straps, and a MOLLE waist belt on a plastic frame. I plan on strapping the MSS carrier later on. I also have a large MOLLE pack but I hate it. |
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