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Posted: 8/29/2026 6:23:35 PM EDT
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I live in freaking Idaho where guns are everywhere. Ive had a handful of friends all go out an purchase suppressors in the last two weeks. EVERY SINGLE dealer has made them do a form 4. NO OVER THE COUNTER 4473. Dealers up here wont even entertain it. And these are cans being purchased directly through Silencer Shop who expressly tell you that Idaho is a 4473 can friendly state. Silencer shop is sending cans as NFA items to dealers, which makes them say if it comes in NFA, It stays NFA even though they say differently on the webpage. Anyone else seeing this? Ive called a dozen shops and they all say the same thing, form 4 only. |
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Originally Posted By Redoubt99: I live in freaking Idaho where guns are everywhere. Ive had a handful of friends all go out an purchase suppressors in the last two weeks. EVERY SINGLE dealer has made them do a form 4. NO OVER THE COUNTER 4473. Dealers up here wont even entertain it. And these are cans being purchased directly through Silencer Shop who expressly tell you that Idaho is a 4473 can friendly state. Silencer shop is sending cans as NFA items to dealers, which makes them say if it comes in NFA, It stays NFA even though they say differently on the webpage. Anyone else seeing this? Ive called a dozen shops and they all say the same thing, form 4 only. I don't blame the dealers. Silencer Shop sends them on a Form 3. If SS really believed they're no longer NFA, they would send them the same way PSA sends a stripped AR lower. Until SS walks the walk, talk is cheap. |
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Zero guidance from ATF… who wants their dog killed or being sent to Federal pound me in the ass penitentiary? Even if it is for a short term? I’ve heard people complaining to the dealers about it. Me, personally, I did my Gemtech MIST-22 on a Form4 without hesitation. I’m Federal L/E, so getting jammed up for an NFA violation is not what I want to deal with. Once it is cleared, and there is no legitimate worry about prosecution… then I’ll consider doing it in another method. Sorry, but a free Form 4 with less than a week wait is not worth the risk to my livelihood. Now, do I think that it has been way too long for ATF to not put something out? Yes and no. Yes because it should be done to comply with the ruling, not drawn out. No because I know how long .gov takes to change things. |
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Originally Posted By stillgottheshovel: I don't blame the dealers. Silencer Shop sends them on a Form 3. If SS really believed they're no longer NFA, they would send them the same way PSA sends a stripped AR lower. Until SS walks the walk, talk is cheap. EXACTLY. Silencer shop is advertising what they cant deliver. |
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Originally Posted By Redoubt99: EXACTLY. Silencer shop is advertising what they cant deliver. Originally Posted By Redoubt99: Originally Posted By stillgottheshovel: I don't blame the dealers. Silencer Shop sends them on a Form 3. If SS really believed they're no longer NFA, they would send them the same way PSA sends a stripped AR lower. Until SS walks the walk, talk is cheap. EXACTLY. Silencer shop is advertising what they cant deliver. Many FFLs are transferring silencers on the form 4473. Eta: they are in my area. |
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You also gotta realise you last two are in TX, where the court presides over. Nobody else outside that jurisdiction wants to find out the hard way that they aren't covered. |
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2 weeks ago, QRF Firearms Twinfalls Chapters: 0:00 The Hook 0:20 Why I'm Doing This On Camera 1:10 The Legal Recap: What Actually Changed 2:40 Am I Actually Covered? (GOA + Silencer Shop + Dealer) 3:30 At The Counter: The eForm 4473, Live X:XX Store Manager Explains the Dealer-Side Process X:XX What This Means Going Forward  I Bought a Suppressor With NO Form 4: The First Time in 92 Years Owner of the said shop  This Idaho Gun Dealer Started Selling Suppressors on a 4473 |
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Originally Posted By waywaup: 2 weeks ago, QRF Firearms Twinfalls Which is in Idaho- There, fixed it for you. Chapters: 0:00 The Hook 0:20 Why I'm Doing This On Camera 1:10 The Legal Recap: What Actually Changed 2:40 Am I Actually Covered? (GOA + Silencer Shop + Dealer) 3:30 At The Counter: The eForm 4473, Live X:XX Store Manager Explains the Dealer-Side Process X:XX What This Means Going Forward  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdyzVpYhD8EOwner of the said shop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxfE9cq1X2k |
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There are a few dealers in KY doing them on 4473's, I only know one personally. One of them is a pretty good friend of mine who did his first one this past Saturday after talking first hand with some shops who were inspected and passed. He also spoke to his examiner about it as well. There are still some odd things about it. For example when he receives a can from silencer shop and sells it on a 4473 that can is still on his books electronically. so If the person who bought it on a 4473 ever decided to sell it later on down the road it has to come back to him to get transfered on a form 3 to whatever other dealer. I do have a can coming to him probably sometime this week but I think im gonna ask him to let me do it the old way on a Form 4 this new process I dont completely trust yet. |
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Originally Posted By Redoubt99: Silencer shop is sending cans as NFA items to dealers, which makes them say if it comes in NFA, It stays NFA even though they say differently on the webpage. <---Silencer Shop Professional dealer 1. It was NFA the day it was completed by the manufacturer. 2. A Form 3 from Silencer Shop to the dealer is required because the firearm is being shipped across state lines. 3. That means it will show in the eForms inventory for the manufacturer, Silencer shop and the dealer. 4. Silencer Shop is working with ATF on a method to indicate that the silencer was transferred to the customer on a Form 4473 only, to remove the silencer from the dealers inventory in the NFRTR. |
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Originally Posted By stillgottheshovel: I don't blame the dealers. Silencer Shop sends them on a Form 3. If SS really believed they're no longer NFA, they would send them the same way PSA sends a stripped AR lower. Until SS walks the walk, talk is cheap. How to tell us you haven't read the judges injunction without telling us you haven't read the judges injunction.  |
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Originally Posted By Redoubt99: EXACTLY. Silencer shop is advertising what they cant deliver. Not at all true. Silencer Shop doesn't tell FFL/SOT's how to run their business. Silencer Shop has done a great job of keeping me updated and providing me the tools I need to do "4473 only" silencer transfers. If your dealer chooses to not do that, that's on him. |
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Originally Posted By MisterPX: You also gotta realise you last two are in TX, where the court presides over. Nobody else outside that jurisdiction wants to find out the hard way that they aren't covered. Oh good grief. The "jurisdiction" isn't just Texas. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By xLucidx: There are still some odd things about it. For example when he receives a can from silencer shop and sells it on a 4473 that can is still on his books electronically. so If the person who bought it on a 4473 ever decided to sell it later on down the road it has to come back to him to get transfered on a form 3 to whatever other dealer. Only if it is an interstate transfer. |
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Originally Posted By DogtownTom: <---Silencer Shop Professional dealer Question for you. My local FFL has ordered a can for me and ive already paid him for it. He did his first can on a 4473 this past weekend but im still a little spooked about it. As a dealer if you are selling them on a 4473 and a customer wants to do one the old way on a Form 4 can you still accommodate that? or its it one way or another and you have to stick to that method from the dealer perspective. |
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Originally Posted By xLucidx: Question for you. My local FFL has ordered a can for me and ive already paid him for it. He did his first can on a 4473 this past weekend but im still a little spooked about it. As a dealer if you are selling them on a 4473 and a customer wants to do one the old way on a Form 4 can you still accommodate that? Originally Posted By xLucidx: Originally Posted By DogtownTom: <---Silencer Shop Professional dealer Question for you. My local FFL has ordered a can for me and ive already paid him for it. He did his first can on a 4473 this past weekend but im still a little spooked about it. As a dealer if you are selling them on a 4473 and a customer wants to do one the old way on a Form 4 can you still accommodate that? Yes, but if sourced from Silencer Shop. it is currently a headache. or its it one way or another and you have to stick to that method from the dealer perspective. Right now, the dealer indicates in his Dealer Dashboard if he processes his Silencer Shop sourced silencers via Form 4 or 4473 only. While its possible to toggle back and forth it creates notifications to every customer that creates confusion. Silencers sourced from other vendors and processed by the dealer are automatically routed through the Form 4 process. Its my understanding that SS is working on a process to allow the dealer to choose Form 4/4473 Only for specific silencers as the customer prefers. No idea when that will happen. |
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Originally Posted By DogtownTom: Yes, but if sourced from Silencer Shop. it is currently a headache. Right now, the dealer indicates in his Dealer Dashboard if he processes his Silencer Shop sourced silencers via Form 4 or 4473 only. While its possible to toggle back and forth it creates notifications to every customer that creates confusion. Silencers sourced from other vendors and processed by the dealer are automatically routed through the Form 4 process. Its my understanding that SS is working on a process to allow the dealer to choose Form 4/4473 Only for specific silencers as the customer prefers. No idea when that will happen. Thanks. He did order my can directly through silencer shop along with several more for other customers. I was curious if that toggle in the dealer dashboard was just there to let people know they were willing to do it on a 4473. I didnt know if it was a you pick which way you want to do and have to stick with that rule from silencer shop. I guess I can just message him to ask if I could do a Form 4 but I hate to bother him because I know he is a busy guy. |
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Originally Posted By stillgottheshovel: I don't blame the dealers. Silencer Shop sends them on a Form 3. If SS really believed they're no longer NFA, they would send them the same way PSA sends a stripped AR lower. Until SS walks the walk, talk is cheap. I'm not a lawyer, but the lawsuit and injunction centered around the tax rate being set at $0 on taxable forms. The Form 3 is a tax-exempt form and wasn't addressed by the lawsuit. Until the ATF provides further guidance, or their lawyer tells them otherwise, it seems like Form 3's are still required for interstate transfer between SOTs. I don't think they're doing Form 3's because they're scared of being wrong. I'm doing 4473's for our customers, but for buyers out of state, I'm using Form 3's and letting the receiving dealer proceed however they want. |
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Originally Posted By graysonp: I'm not a lawyer, but the lawsuit and injunction centered around the tax rate being set at $0 on taxable forms. The Form 3 is a tax-exempt form and wasn't addressed by the lawsuit. Until the ATF provides further guidance, or their lawyer tells them otherwise, it seems like Form 3's are still required for interstate transfer between SOTs. I don't think they're doing Form 3's because they're scared of being wrong. I'm doing 4473's for our customers, but for buyers out of state, I'm using Form 3's and letting the receiving dealer proceed however they want. 
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: I agree. We are doing form 4s because we need ATF to give us a process to get the serials out of our eforms inventory. But we are more than happy to ship anything to any dealer. Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Originally Posted By graysonp: I'm not a lawyer, but the lawsuit and injunction centered around the tax rate being set at $0 on taxable forms. The Form 3 is a tax-exempt form and wasn't addressed by the lawsuit. Until the ATF provides further guidance, or their lawyer tells them otherwise, it seems like Form 3's are still required for interstate transfer between SOTs. I don't think they're doing Form 3's because they're scared of being wrong. I'm doing 4473's for our customers, but for buyers out of state, I'm using Form 3's and letting the receiving dealer proceed however they want. Including non-SOT dealers? |
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