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Posted: 9/3/2026 7:29:19 PM EDT
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After being on the back burner for a few years, the Savage 99 take down got a trip to the range. Things done/discovered, receiver sight installed to replace awful rear sight slugged the bore (0.220" bore/0.225" groove) lapped the crown powder choices are very limited, the Hornady book only lists IMR 4198, IMR 3031, and Re-7. There is a reason for this, they are the only powders that make good loading density without over filling the case. I tried IMR 4064 and no matter how long your powder drop, the case will not hold a full power load without running over. Was kind of surprised by the actual bore diameters after reading all the data that says 0.228", so I'm comfortable running 0.224" bullets through it. Anyway, shooting the Hornady 60gr V-max over 27gr IMR 3031. Even being a take down with a horrible barrel (mercury priming is not good for any gun) the old thing manages to shoot a 3" group (10 shots) @ 100yd. I am quite pleased with the 113 YO rifle and its looking like a whitetail doe is on the menu this year. Some may feel the need to point out that a 22 may be a bit light for whitetail, but the deer around Comfort TX run around a whopping 60#. It does not require a bazooka to take one of these little does out. (doe only "harvesting" in the neighborhood) If anyone is thinking about loading for one, slug your bore. It may save you the major pain of sourcing 0.228" bullets that may not be needed although you'll need to use a standard expander in your die. Plus it may open up a huge bullet selection for you. MLG |
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I checked but did not find SAAMI spec drawings for this cartridge. I found this from Handloader Magazine. A link to an article about the cartridge controversy. "Charles Newton created two cartridges designed to push .228-inch bullets to high velocities. The 22 Newton was formed by necking down the 7x57mm Mauser case and it became available in rifles built by Newton at the time. The other cartridge, formed by necking down the 25-35 Winchester case, was adopted by Savage and introduced in the Model 99 lever action in 1912 as the 22 Hi-Power. While the name was spelled that way on early boxes of Savage ammunition, the company later often referred to it as 22 High Power as well. Loaded with 70-grain expanding and full-patch bullets at an advertised velocity of 2,770 feet per second (fps), it first appeared in a takedown version of the Savage Model 99 Featherweight at a price of $25. Over the following 29 years, the chambering was also offered in six other Model 99 variations. Ammunition loaded with the two types of bullets at the same velocity eventually became available from Winchester and Remington. (snip) Savage ceased production of rifles chambered for the company’s first high-velocity cartridge in 1941." .jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=b9f149d46c0130aef56f05497eecc1fd43a93333b7885a40ec420e3885c2caaf)
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Originally Posted By mlg123: It does look a little funny, a 30-30 necked down to 22 cal. I'm chunking a 60gr V-max 3200fps and a 52gr A-max at 3500 fps. Pretty respectable for a cartridge developed in 1912. Closely duplicates the 225 Win but predates by 50 years. MLG Really, 30-30 is the parent case? I didn't know that. No wonder it looks so funky! And fast. That's a lot of powder behind it. I read somewhere, I think it was this round anyway, that it was a real barrel burner. Maybe with more modern powders barrels last longer. |
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Originally Posted By redleg13a: Really, 30-30 is the parent case? I didn't know that. No wonder it looks so funky! And fast. That's a lot of powder behind it. I read somewhere, I think it was this round anyway, that it was a real barrel burner. Maybe with more modern powders barrels last longer. Advertised at 2,770 fps, it isn't THAT fast. What I read was it came out in the era of corrosive primers. Anything less than scrupulous cleaning after every shooting and you were giving up barrel life - not to wear but from "simple" corrosion. Failure to clean to bore is a shooter problem, not a cartridge problem. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Advertised at 2,770 fps, it isn't THAT fast. What I read was it came out in the era of corrosive primers. Anything less than scrupulous cleaning after every shooting and you were giving up barrel life - not to wear but from "simple" corrosion. Failure to clean to bore is a shooter problem, not a cartridge problem. Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Originally Posted By redleg13a: Really, 30-30 is the parent case? I didn't know that. No wonder it looks so funky! And fast. That's a lot of powder behind it. I read somewhere, I think it was this round anyway, that it was a real barrel burner. Maybe with more modern powders barrels last longer. Advertised at 2,770 fps, it isn't THAT fast. What I read was it came out in the era of corrosive primers. Anything less than scrupulous cleaning after every shooting and you were giving up barrel life - not to wear but from "simple" corrosion. Failure to clean to bore is a shooter problem, not a cartridge problem. 6mm Lee Navy was also known as a barrel burner in the era of corrosive primers, but .30-40 Krag was not. Why do you think that was? |
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Dunno. Not going to research it. Is it a screamer load whose velocity is held back by the 20" barrel? 243 W is a barrel burner. 6XC is not. Tubb said part of the difference was the "flame focus" (or some such term) is inside the case not in the bore. Personally, I think 6XC's long life also has something to do with the barrel type (Schneider versus rifled). I wonder how many rounds I have down my original 6XC barrel. It still shoots better than I. |
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Cool reloading project! It takes the sting of losing 30-30 base brass from neck splits as guys throw away 30-30 brass. Last time at the range there was an old timer who rebarreled a Win 64(?) to 22 HP. His smith gave him an option on a .227 or a .224 barrel, and he chose the .224. Good decision. I would think any of the modern 5.56 powders in the 4198 range would work well for this cartridge. H335, 748, 2230, 10X or anything guys are finding anymore. It sounds like very old reloading data if they recommend 4198 and such. |
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CIP, the European equivalent of SAAMI, lists “22 Savage” (which is apparently one of several names for .22 Savage Hi-Power). Here is the CIP page for 22 Savage. It’s a pain to translate specs for what is an early 20th Century US cartridge from metric measurements, and even more so because the pressure standards CIP uses aren’t at all convertible to SAAMI-equivalents. You can get comparative pressure numbers by looking at other, similar cartridge standards, which I think is about the best to be expected. |
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