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5/27/2025 6:49:29 PM EDT
If I replaced the 182 gas block w/ a 180 series gas block, and milled material off the bottom of the op-rod weight, could I drop a modified 182 series Mini into a 180 series stock?
5/27/2025 10:35:46 PM EDT
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There are receiver differences:



There are also other dimensional differences on the slide:



While they seem to have used the same stock liner, there are other differences:


5/28/2025 11:49:07 AM EDT
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Thanks for bursting my bubble.  
5/29/2025 9:43:45 AM EDT
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Welcome to the world of the 180 series.  They're a different creature.
5/31/2025 6:54:51 PM EDT
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Yeah, sorry.  Ruger made *a lot* of changes between the 180 and 181 series, in an apparent attempt to maximize parts commonality with the AC556.  That was counter productive as the AC556 was ultimately a very low production rifle compared to the Mini 14.  

Worse, the 180 series is an incredibly sweet handling rifle, lighter and slimmer than the 181 and later series, and was much more accurate than the 181-pre 580 series.

Jeff Cooper really liked the 180 series Mini 14, but went silent on it with the 181 and later Mini 14s.

There are still plenty out there, although they have gotten pricey.  A decade ago you could pick one up for $300 or so in excellent condition as buyers avoided them out of concerns that parts are scarce.  Which is a non issue as they don't break, in large part because they are not over gassed like the later series.

5/31/2025 8:40:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, sorry.  Ruger made *a lot* of changes between the 180 and 181 series, in an apparent attempt to maximize parts commonality with the AC556.  That was counter productive as the AC556 was ultimately a very low production rifle compared to the Mini 14.  

Worse, the 180 series is an incredibly sweet handling rifle, lighter and slimmer than the 181 and later series, and was much more accurate than the 181-pre 580 series.

Jeff Cooper really liked the 180 series Mini 14, but went silent on it with the 181 and later Mini 14s.

There are still plenty out there, although they have gotten pricey.  A decade ago you could pick one up for $300 or so in excellent condition as buyers avoided them out of concerns that parts are scarce.  Which is a non issue as they don't break, in large part because they are not over gassed like the later series.

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Originally Posted By DakotaFAL:
Originally Posted By backbencher: Thanks for bursting my bubble.  


Yeah, sorry.  Ruger made *a lot* of changes between the 180 and 181 series, in an apparent attempt to maximize parts commonality with the AC556.  That was counter productive as the AC556 was ultimately a very low production rifle compared to the Mini 14.  

Worse, the 180 series is an incredibly sweet handling rifle, lighter and slimmer than the 181 and later series, and was much more accurate than the 181-pre 580 series.

Jeff Cooper really liked the 180 series Mini 14, but went silent on it with the 181 and later Mini 14s.

There are still plenty out there, although they have gotten pricey.  A decade ago you could pick one up for $300 or so in excellent condition as buyers avoided them out of concerns that parts are scarce.  Which is a non issue as they don't break, in large part because they are not over gassed like the later series.

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Yeah, the 182 is one of my ban state travel rifle projects, along w/ an SKS and hopefully eventually a Tanker Garand.

After I verify everything's working and see how she shoots, a stripper clip guide is next, and then eventually an adjustable gas block and twin barrel clamp.

Down the road might see about milling off some of the mass on the op-rod weight.
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6/7/2025 11:37:39 AM EDT
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I would suggest that you don't do that because everything is a balance in the cycling of the weapon.  You remove mass from the op-rod and you will likely have to compensate with a stronger recoil spring if you can find one or using an adjustable gas block. Removing weight could beat the weapon into an early death.  The op-rod hits the front of the receiver during cycling and it would hit harder and probably increase recoil and may induce other issues.
6/7/2025 6:27:05 PM EDT
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I would suggest that you don't do that because everything is a balance in the cycling of the weapon.  You remove mass from the op-rod and you will likely have to compensate with a stronger recoil spring if you can find one or using an adjustable gas block. Removing weight could beat the weapon into an early death.  The op-rod hits the front of the receiver during cycling and it would hit harder and probably increase recoil and may induce other issues.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Down the road might see about milling off some of the mass on the op-rod weight.


I would suggest that you don't do that because everything is a balance in the cycling of the weapon.  You remove mass from the op-rod and you will likely have to compensate with a stronger recoil spring if you can find one or using an adjustable gas block. Removing weight could beat the weapon into an early death.  The op-rod hits the front of the receiver during cycling and it would hit harder and probably increase recoil and may induce other issues.


There will be an adjustable gas block installed 1st.  We change reciprocating mass all the time in ARs, the theory is well known.
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6/8/2025 10:03:29 PM EDT
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@backbencher

I would be extremely careful about "assuming" your Mini complies with any State laws until you personally read such laws and fully understand them.  Also suggest that if there is a "difference in opinion" between you and cognizant LEO, you will have "problems".

For example, proposed RI AWB terms Ruger 10-22 as an "Assault Weapon" because it is capable of accepting a mag of over 10 rds capacity.

Sad to say, be very careful.
6/8/2025 10:45:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By raf:  @backbencher

I would be extremely careful about "assuming" your Mini complies with any State laws until you personally read such laws and fully understand them.  Also suggest that if there is a "difference in opinion" between you and cognizant LEO, you will have "problems".

For example, proposed RI AWB terms Ruger 10-22 as an "Assault Weapon" because it is capable of accepting a mag of over 10 rds capacity.

Sad to say, be very careful.
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Let's see how she runs & groups before we start worrying about which jurisdictions exactly she's legal in.  Be interesting to see what happens to groups when I pull the flashhider off.

One Supreme Court decision next year could render this whole project moot.
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1/27/2026 1:48:42 PM EDT
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Many change the gas bushing to reduce the recoil.
Also some put a 45 polymer/teflon/neprene bushing over the spring to prevent bolt carrier from slamming.
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1/27/2026 2:45:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mouthpiece:  Many change the gas bushing to reduce the recoil.
Also some put a 45 polymer/teflon/neprene bushing over the spring to prevent bolt carrier from slamming.
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Just gonna get the adjustable gas block at some point.  If there was a stripper clip guide available for the 180 series I'd be jonesing for one of those, but sadly no.
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1/27/2026 3:16:51 PM EDT
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Stripper clip guide for 180 series rifles, much less unique "Southport" Mini-14s are unlikely to be produced, but who knows?  More useful is indestructible stripper clip guide which will allow use of common USGI 10-rd stripper clips onto any Mini-14 mag.  See Cogburn arsenal.  Nice to have both. Ruger used to offer a proprietary stripper clip guide for purely Ruger Mags, but scarce and expensive.  Go Cogburn Arsenal.

Wilson .45 ACP "shock buff" often installed at forward face of receiver to "lessen" jarring metal-to-metal impact.  Sometimes installed around gas piston on the gas block for similar reasons, and more besides.

Front shock buff will wear faster than rear, so buy in bulk--Wear items.  Installing shock buffs reduces "perceived" recoil, which is often metal-to-metal contact between Op-rod and receiver, or the gas block.  Reducing this shock also makes life a lot easier on many optics.

Depending on how the "legalities" work out (Both Fed and State, in my case) I'll hopefully be able to install a variable Gas block chosen to work on my 186 Mini in conjunction with an Accu Strut.

The substitution of a smaller I.D. gas bushing (always buy the full kit) is much cheaper than an adjustable gas block but obviously has inherent "constrictions" due to I.D. of supplied gas bushings.

IMHO, most Mini-14 users are likely better off with the gas bushing kit.  Some Mini users may be able to justify the expense of an adjustable gas block.  Folks installing a sound suppressor come to mind, but some folks experimenting with hand-loaded ammo may also benefit, as well as folks radically reducing barrel length. No matter what, users of either an adjustable gas block OR users installing a reduced I.D Gas bushing must test their preferred ammo in extremely cold conditions.  Reason for this is that all ammo is less energetic in extreme cold, and the gas bushing that worked fine in 90 deg F heat might not be adequate at 0 Deg F.  For reliability's sake, always better a little too much gas than too little gas.

Something useful to most any Mini user is to "play" with the torque applied to the gas block screws.  Reliable reports from Member sandog on PerfectUnion Mini forum have documented this. Group reductions of 30% (with reduced torque on gas block screws) are common.  IIRC, about 20-25 In/Lbs seems to be a good beginning, but adjusting gas block screw torque is kinda a "Process" in determining optimal GB torque for your particular Mini and individual ammos; IOW a "Tuning" process.  If doing this--and I suggest you do so--Obtain a NEW set of gas block screws from Ruger, as the original screws may have been over-torqued at the factory, and/or staked, either one damaging the screws and the gas block.  Run a tap through both sides of the OEM threaded portion of the gas block and run a die down the New screws.  You might be surprised, LOL.
1/28/2026 11:00:05 AM EDT
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Another Pos/Neg about the 180 series is they had the roller bearing bolt.
Always fascinating to me.
I heard Ruger quit servicing their AC556 so I imagine parts are non existent for the 180, 181 & later series.
I bough a spare parts kit and wish i would have bought another.

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1/28/2026 12:54:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mouthpiece:  Another Pos/Neg about the 180 series is they had the roller bearing bolt.
Always fascinating to me.
I heard Ruger quit servicing their AC556 so I imagine parts are non existent for the 180, 181 & later series.
I bough a spare parts kit and wish i would have bought another.
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My understanding is that Ruger hasn't had parts for the 180 series for quite some time.  181 & later series are very similar to current production but w/ a thinner barrel.
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