Armory Sponsor
All you ever wanted to know about suppressors (Page 5 of 5)
|
Originally Posted By Zam18th: I've been thinking about dipping my toes in the pool. I read through and didn't see anything on this. Is it correct that there aren't any yearly hassles such as renewals, phone calls, etc. associated with owning suppressors (or SBR's)? It's just a one and done thing... and make sure you keep your paperwork handy? Thanks. One-time paperwork with a one-time $200 tax. |
|
Originally Posted By Zam18th: I've been thinking about dipping my toes in the pool. I read through and didn't see anything on this. Is it correct that there aren't any yearly hassles such as renewals, phone calls, etc. associated with owning suppressors (or SBR's)? It's just a one and done thing... and make sure you keep your paperwork handy? Thanks. You got it. I thought about it for months..which was months wasted that could of been part of my jail time...  Figure out what hosts you are gonna use and get to shopping.. 
|
|
Before I start a new thread, thought I would ask here. I have been out of the suppressor buying game for awhile. The last can I bought was just before that 41F nonsense happened. I am now toying around with the idea of getting another one. I do have a trust, but the wife and friend on it probably wont want to get printed so I will probably just go individual for the next one since you no longer need CLEO signoff which is why I went the trust route initially. My question is in regards to the SS kiosk. If I go to a LGS in my area that has one and do everything there, does that mean I can only get one from SS? I ask because I watch the deals thread here and I see the guy from Hansohn Brothers always posting deals. If I buy a can from him and have it transferred to my dealer, can it go through the SS kiosk? How does buying a can from someone other than SS work with the kiosk? I only ask because it seems that the kiosk is the easiest way to submit prints. My local FFL who I usually go though does NFA transfers, but he says I am on my own for doing the printing, so that is of no help. There is another LGS by me that has the SS kiosk and would most likely transfer the can through them because I used them last time. I know I will probably have to pay whatever their transfer fee is where buying from SS direct all the fees are included from what I remember. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mav |
|
Once your info is in Silencer Shop, the dealer would just add the silencer from Hansohn or whoever to his inventory in SS and then SS will email you about buying a tax stamp and digitally signing the form. I believe the dealer can charge up to $40 to use the kiosk if the silencer is not through SS/local stock but that should be a one time deal, since your info will be in the system after that. There should be no charge if you buy from SS first and get in their system. Also be aware of NFA transfer fees. The dealers in my area charge $75 so take that into consideration with online deals. However, SS also charges tax. |
|
Originally Posted By fubard: Once your info is in Silencer Shop, the dealer would just add the silencer from Hansohn or whoever to his inventory in SS and then SS will email you about buying a tax stamp and digitally signing the form. I believe the dealer can charge up to $40 to use the kiosk if the silencer is not through SS/local stock but that should be a one time deal, since your info will be in the system after that. There should be no charge if you buy from SS first and get in their system. Also be aware of NFA transfer fees. The dealers in my area charge $75 so take that into consideration with online deals. However, SS also charges tax. Thanks for your help. I plan on buying one from first from SS directly as they have a promotion on some of them for $100 gift certs, then go to my LGS after online purchase and complete the kiosk stuff-that would put me in their system. By doing this I would avoid whatever fee the LGS normally charges to use their SS kiosk. Then if I buy another suppressor from someone else after that I am just looking at whatever the LGS charges for NFA transfer fees. Am I missing anything? |
|
Originally Posted By Mav3rick: Thanks for your help. I plan on buying one from first from SS directly as they have a promotion on some of them for $100 gift certs, then go to my LGS after online purchase and complete the kiosk stuff-that would put me in their system. By doing this I would avoid whatever fee the LGS normally charges to use their SS kiosk. Then if I buy another suppressor from someone else after that I am just looking at whatever the LGS charges for NFA transfer fees. Am I missing anything? No problem. You're not missing anything at least from my experience. When I got setup with SS my dealer took my photo and associated it with my account. After that I use the website to update my own photo (has to be updated every year I think). Also for your first order, wait until SS sends you a code for the kiosk. It should be a QR code or something you type in, and have that available for the kiosk. |
|
Originally Posted By fubard: No problem. You're not missing anything at least from my experience. When I got setup with SS my dealer took my photo and associated it with my account. After that I use the website to update my own photo (has to be updated every year I think). Also for your first order, wait until SS sends you a code for the kiosk. It should be a QR code or something you type in, and have that available for the kiosk. Excellent-thanks for confirming. I'll keep an eye out for that QR code email after I do so before I go into do the kiosk stuff. Thanks! |
|
There are not a lot of rifle rated and user serviceable silencers out there. They are heavier for sure, some manufacturers have said all welded is stronger too. But serviceable or not, rifle cans do get gunk build up, they are not "self cleaning." I wouldn't worry about it too much. Maybe soak it in something safe for the materials every few thousand rounds. |
|
I came in this thread looking for the material types used in silencers and the pros/cons of each. This is my understanding but I could be totally off, looking for conformation: Steel: Usually less expensive and really durable / pretty heavy (and might rust?) Stainless Steel: More costly that plain steel but easier to clean otherwise similar to steel except the rust part if that happens Titanium: Light weight for size decent durability / Cost is an issue and durability is more how you treat it, mag dumps not recommended as it can have heat stress but under normal conditions will last a long time Aluminum: I think I have only seen these on rimfire cartridges, I would say durability could be a real issue on how you use it I will go back and look but didn't see how to clean each can in the OP, saw it asked in this thread. Not sure if each material type has a better cleaning method or stuff not to do. |
RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
Mike_314..If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand.
87% shit posting - 13% I am caught in a rule change
RSM 20/21 RSL 4522: we will shit on your pillow.. (3613 note)
Mike_314..If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand.
87% shit posting - 13% I am caught in a rule change
RSM 20/21 RSL 4522: we will shit on your pillow.. (3613 note)
|
Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: I came in this thread looking for the material types used in silencers and the pros/cons of each. This is my understanding but I could be totally off, looking for conformation: Steel: Usually less expensive and really durable / pretty heavy (and might rust?) Aluminum: I think I have only seen these on rimfire cartridges, I would say durability could be a real issue on how you use it I will go back and look but didn't see how to clean each can in the OP, saw it asked in this thread. Not sure if each material type has a better cleaning method or stuff not to do. ive only been in the NFA game a few years, but i dont recall ever seeing a regular ole steel can. i dont think any big name (or up and comers) are making any regular steel cans. theres much better materials out there. aluminum can be found on pistol cans as well. for example: the mod9s have a SS blast baffle and the rest are aluminum. generally speaking, the harder/more durable the material, the more freedom you have to clean the baffles. for example, aluminum youre basically locked into soda blasting. you cant use the dip or ultasonic to clean your aluminum baffles. |
|
They make 4130 cans in Europe. 4130 works, it's just not as ideal as a high temperature high strength stainless tool steel for use in a suppressor. The US market is really the best suppressor market in the world, probably because of the waiting period and the $200 tax that encourages high quality items and makes the market really competitive. If you took the $200 tax and wait away, the average can would probably be garbage, made like a propane canister for a coleman stove. The most profitable companies have no soul and would be happy to make that garbage and sell the snot out of it. |
Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
| Like my two Banish 45 models. I've got one setup on a glock 19 and one set up on a Glock 21. A few questions. I know that some gas and "soot" coming back at you/in your face is expected. How can one reduce that? I've also notice that they become loose, backing out of both the muzzle screw part as well as the individual segements, and you've got to hand tighten again after a mag or two. Anyway to keep them tight without doing anyting permanent or destructive? |
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ~Thomas Jefferson~
|
Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Like my two Banish 45 models. I've got one setup on a glock 19 and one set up on a Glock 21. A few questions. I know that some gas and "soot" coming back at you/in your face is expected. How can one reduce that? I've also notice that they become loose, backing out of both the muzzle screw part as well as the individual segements, and you've got to hand tighten again after a mag or two. Anyway to keep them tight without doing anyting permanent or destructive? We just made a run of Banish universal pistons for Cam lok and EZ lok. The EZ lok is a system that is the most user friendly and keeps the piston from unscrewing from the barrel by use of a thread and taper coupler on the barrel that is installed with 22ft lbs of torque using a wrench. The piston can then be hand secured using the can as the gripping surface. We sell ST3 which is a white paint that you can paint stripes on threads (let dry), then assemble and it discourages loosening by removing vibration. The piston is misslabeled currently silencer co banish, but it is a Silencer Central Banish universal piston. https://www.griffinarmament.com/ez-lok-pistons-for-tilt-barrel-pistols/ https://www.griffinarmament.com/st-3a-thread-sealant/ |
Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
|
Originally Posted By Green0: They make 4130 cans in Europe. 4130 works, it's just not as ideal as a high temperature high strength stainless tool steel for use in a suppressor. The US market is really the best suppressor market in the world, probably because of the waiting period and the $200 tax that encourages high quality items and makes the market really competitive. If you took the $200 tax and wait away, the average can would probably be garbage, made like a propane canister for a coleman stove. The most profitable companies have no soul and would be happy to make that garbage and sell the snot out of it. I agree with this, but a lot of people, think your average deer hunter that shoots maybe a box of ammo a year, would be very happy with a cheap suppressor that only lasts for 1,000 rounds. That would be a lifetime for them. I lived overseas for six years, at the time suppressors were an over the counter purchase. I only had .22 rifle, a suppressor for it was the equivalent of $25 USD. It was a simple steel tube with baffles that were nothing more than a freeze plug with a hole drilled in them, not even clipped baffles or cone shaped. But it worked just fine on a bolt action .22 rifle. I guess my point is, I agree with you, get rid of the NFA and the average can will be garbage compared to what we have now. But, there will be a lot of those garbage cans out there, and still those willing to pay for quality. |
|
I have been seeing ads for suppressors that say it can be delivered to your home, no need to pick it up at the dealer. How does that work? I assume you have to show up in person at least once, right? Is it possible to do the entire process from home? It doesn't seem likely. |
Originally Posted By Det0nate: It takes a special kind of retard to argue the wrong side of second grade spelling.
What made you pick that particular quote for your sig-line?
--Swindle1984
What made you pick that particular quote for your sig-line?
--Swindle1984
|
Originally Posted By Ohio: I have been seeing ads for suppressors that say it can be delivered to your home, no need to pick it up at the dealer. How does that work? I assume you have to show up in person at least once, right? Is it possible to do the entire process from home? It doesn't seem likely. HOW TO BUY A SUPPRESSOR ONLINE Capitol Armory is proud to be the #1 silencer dealer in the nation. We take the complexity out of the NFA process and deliver the service you expect. When you purchase through us, we are your one point of contact for sales, accessories, and support. We also handle 100% of the complicated electronic Form 4 filing process. Our process is simple: Decide which suppressor is suitable for you. Browse our videos, read our product reviews, or give us a call for our expert opinion. Place your order. We automatically collect the $200 ATF tax stamp during checkout. Complete your profile using our online tools. Enter your transferee information and upload your photo and trust (if applicable) so we can prepare your NFA paperwork. We can help you set up a 50-state legal trust. Submit your fingerprints to us. You can send your fingerprints electronically with an EFT file or mail us a completed FD-258 fingerprint card. You can print yourself in the comfort of your home using our at-home fingerprint kit. We digitize your fingerprints for electronic submission and keep them on file for future orders. Sign your Form 4 digitally and certify to e-file your Form 4. Wait for your Form 4 approval. We store all your information digitally and securely, so when you place subsequent orders, you skip straight to step 5 and only need to sign your forms digitally and certify. Upon ATF approval, all suppressors are shipped directly to your residence, or if you live in Texas, you can pick them up at our shop in Cedar Park. HOW DO WE HANDLE THE ENTIRE FILING PROCESS? Capitol Armory is an established FFL operating in Texas since 2008. We've expanded into every NFA-friendly state, which allows us to control the entire process from purchase to delivery. We sell you the silencer/NFA item, process your electronic Form 4 via eForms, and deliver the NFA item directly to your residence upon ATF approval. No middlemen or other FFLs are involved, which means no transfer fees and a reduced wait time for approval! With Capitol Armory, you have us as your sole point of contact for our expertise, professional support, and industry knowledge. Our proprietary software streamlines the NFA filing process and allows us to submit your electronic Form 4 quickly and accurately. If you are a customer in Texas, Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, or Wyoming, we have you covered from beginning to end. That's every NFA-friendly state! |
|
Originally Posted By adavis: HOW TO BUY A SUPPRESSOR ONLINE Capitol Armory is proud to be the #1 silencer dealer in the nation. We take the complexity out of the NFA process and deliver the service you expect. When you purchase through us, we are your one point of contact for sales, accessories, and support. We also handle 100% of the complicated electronic Form 4 filing process. Our process is simple: Decide which suppressor is suitable for you. Browse our videos, read our product reviews, or give us a call for our expert opinion. Place your order. We automatically collect the $200 ATF tax stamp during checkout. Complete your profile using our online tools. Enter your transferee information and upload your photo and trust (if applicable) so we can prepare your NFA paperwork. We can help you set up a 50-state legal trust. Submit your fingerprints to us. You can send your fingerprints electronically with an EFT file or mail us a completed FD-258 fingerprint card. You can print yourself in the comfort of your home using our at-home fingerprint kit. We digitize your fingerprints for electronic submission and keep them on file for future orders. Sign your Form 4 digitally and certify to e-file your Form 4. Wait for your Form 4 approval. We store all your information digitally and securely, so when you place subsequent orders, you skip straight to step 5 and only need to sign your forms digitally and certify. Upon ATF approval, all suppressors are shipped directly to your residence, or if you live in Texas, you can pick them up at our shop in Cedar Park. HOW DO WE HANDLE THE ENTIRE FILING PROCESS? Capitol Armory is an established FFL operating in Texas since 2008. We've expanded into every NFA-friendly state, which allows us to control the entire process from purchase to delivery. We sell you the silencer/NFA item, process your electronic Form 4 via eForms, and deliver the NFA item directly to your residence upon ATF approval. No middlemen or other FFLs are involved, which means no transfer fees and a reduced wait time for approval! With Capitol Armory, you have us as your sole point of contact for our expertise, professional support, and industry knowledge. Our proprietary software streamlines the NFA filing process and allows us to submit your electronic Form 4 quickly and accurately. If you are a customer in Texas, Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, or Wyoming, we have you covered from beginning to end. That's every NFA-friendly state! I wish doing a regular gun buy could be done similarly. |
Originally Posted By Det0nate: It takes a special kind of retard to argue the wrong side of second grade spelling.
What made you pick that particular quote for your sig-line?
--Swindle1984
What made you pick that particular quote for your sig-line?
--Swindle1984
| In case we get what we want with the hearing act, does anyone make clamp on suppressors or adapters? I will go broke getting all my hunting guns threaded. |
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
|
Originally Posted By JThomas: I have a SBR and keep a very small and ledgible, luggage tag size, reproduction with the gun and keep the original locked in a safe. I was just wondering if the paperwork was required for a suppressor since I could not find anything on it. Thanks. I just keep the email from the ATF approving my NFA items on my phone. As a retired LEO,Ican tellyou the vast majority of officers are completly unfamaliar with the NFA because they do not enforce federal laws. |
|
Originally Posted By leo6223: Can someone touch on using a 30 cal supressor on 22's and 223;s Someone said it could be done but I dont trust anything i hear in a gunstore It's address (somewhat) in the FAQ. I'll add some more info to address it further but the short answer is "Yes and No" Yes, you can use .30 cal on anything smaller than .30. In fact, some say you get more volume out of a .30 can and will use it to supress .223 and others. The things about .22's is they are dirty and not good in a can designed for center fire rounds. I'll post more later. I know this is gonna soud crazy, but along the lines of using a suppressor on a smaller caliber, has anyone ever machined the baffles or monocore of a suppressor out bigger to use it on a larger caliber, like opening up a 30 caliber suppressor to use on a 9mm or 10mm? |
All you ever wanted to know about suppressors (Page 5 of 5)
Armory Sponsor
Join the Community
Your next conversation starts here.
Create your free account to join discussions, share your experience, save topics, and connect with the AR15.COM community.
- Join discussions
- Follow topics and replies
- Connect with fellow enthusiasts
Already a member? Sign in
Stay informed by subscribing to our Newsletter