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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Wet tumbling with SS media, lots of pics New info second post 10-02-2015. (Page 9 of 23)
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What pistol cases do you have?
I know that a 9mm case full isn't enough Lemishine. So try 2 case fulls. 
I made a few 45 ACP scoops to give away in a contest. 223 handle on left, 308 on right. Just soldered together. Was using up some small PP 45 ACP cases and some loose PP rifle cases from my brass recycle can. Look for the contest soon. Tonight or tomorrow. To qualify you will have to post a pic of your wet tumbler. |
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For the 15 pound capacity tumblers in the first post of this thread, use a 45 ACP case full of Lemishine. A 9mm case full is not enough. If all you have is a 9mm case to measure with, use 2 scoops. Which is why I made the scoops with a 45 ACP case and soldered a 223 case on for a handle. Also the contest thread is posted.
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Quoted: Rock on, thanks for the input..... doesn't look like I'll make the contest deadline, I'm wanting to give ample time for the paint to dry before giving it a go. Just put parts of the tumbler in pic. Base/motor will be fine. I just want to make sure scoops go to people who actually have wet tumblers.
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well i got my wet tumbler from BIGDAWG and it is a great piece. he does a good job and i would recommend them to anyone.
cleaning out the brass/sorting the media is a HUGE pain in the ass. took me way too long last night. after talking with my buddy, he and i came up with a simple filter. should be cheap to make, and is better than the media separators due to you will have all the brass and media with NO WATER and can dump the media into the filter and then put the empty/wet cases into another bucket to clean the soap off. get a 5 gallon bucket with a strong lid. home depot sells some stuff called like super sun blocker or something. its a screen/mesh type material that is very strong, and will let water pass through... but small enough to stop the pins and hold the weight. drill some holes in the lid for the water to pass through and hammer the lid on(yes, you will need a hammer unless you are the hulk or something. its just easier). flip the bucket and cut the bottom out. i used a sawzall, you can use a drill bit similar to a mill if you have a good drill, that worked too but the sawzall was much quicker and easier. the result is a super cheap, yet effective at retaining the media filter. makes the process much faster. stack the filter bucket on top of a regular bucket and dump contents into said filter bucket. spray with water/hose or whatever you want. 
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Quoted: For those with a Thumblers model B, is it normal to have play in the drive pulley..... did a short dry run on mine tonight and the drive pulley was wobbling slightly. Yes. You might want to add a bracket to the back side of the motor. Look at the first 2 posts in this thread for more info. |
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These past few months, I hadn't been particularly thrilled with how my once fired 5.56 brass has been coming out, after hand washing then tumbling with walnut or corn cob media. So, after reading through this thread, and after much reflection, I finally broke down and ordered a Thumler Tumbler (with the high speed motor) and the stainless steel media.
The tumbler arrived this evening, and I just got done tumbling my first load of 5.56 brass. WOW. What a difference between when it went in and how it came out. I didn't take before and after pictures, but I can tell you WITHOUT HESITATION, that if you've been thinking about making the jump from dry to wet tumbling, DO IT. You won't regret it. Thanks to all who contributed to this post. Dirt |
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Few more questions .....
1. For the individuals that have did wet tumbling a few times what's the typical overall time to get bling brass (loading, adding water, tumbling, separating, drying, etc.). I ask this because my current work schedule I don't have a lot of time and I'm going into my 5th weekend working so I haven't had free weekends. I really want to get some brass cleaned but don't want to start if I won't have the time to finish. 2. A super swage is on the way, my assumption would be that it doesn't matter wherever it's crimped or uncrimped during the cleaning process, but is one preferable over the other. Would it be better to remove the crimp before cleaning or after? |
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I'll set everything up the night before on a timer. Set it to run during the night and finish up about an hour before I wake up. It only takes 10-15 minutes to rinse and separate everything before work and then you're ready to set up again that evening. Quoted: Few more questions ..... 1. For the individuals that have did wet tumbling a few times what's the typical overall time to get bling brass (loading, adding water, tumbling, separating, drying, etc.). I ask this because my current work schedule I don't have a lot of time and I'm going into my 5th weekend working so I haven't had free weekends. I really want to get some brass cleaned but don't want to start if I won't have the time to finish. 2. A super swage is on the way, my assumption would be that it doesn't matter wherever it's crimped or uncrimped during the cleaning process, but is one preferable over the other. Would it be better to remove the crimp before cleaning or after? |
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Few more questions ..... 1. For the individuals that have did wet tumbling a few times what's the typical overall time to get bling brass (loading, adding water, tumbling, separating, drying, etc.). I ask this because my current work schedule I don't have a lot of time and I'm going into my 5th weekend working so I haven't had free weekends. I really want to get some brass cleaned but don't want to start if I won't have the time to finish. 2. A super swage is on the way, my assumption would be that it doesn't matter wherever it's crimped or uncrimped during the cleaning process, but is one preferable over the other. Would it be better to remove the crimp before cleaning or after? for me it may take 5 minutes to fill the container, add brass, add soap and lemi shine. then i tumble for 3 or so hours the shinier you want it the longer to run it. then it takes 10-20 minutes to rinse and separate the brass and then i dry with towel then spread out on another towel with a fan and let dry 3-4 hours |
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Though I am less than a week into being a wet media tumbler, here's my two cents worth:
When I first researched this, I purposely sought the tumbler with the high-speed motor because I didn't feel like waiting 8 hours for a batch to finish. But having said that, 4 hours still seemed like a long time, in my mind. So, last Friday, when my Thumler's Tumbler arrived, along with my 5 lbs. of SS media, and the containers of Lemi-Shine, my plan was to use my first batch as a test, tumbling it first for one hour, cracking it open and examining the brass, rinsing and closing it up and tumbling for a second hour, etc., until I reached four hours of tumbling. Funny thing is, after the first hour of tumbling, the brass was so clean, I didn't ever make it to a second hour of tumbling. Every single batch came out just as shiny as these, with the exception of a handful of cases that needed an extra hour. When I came across those cases, I just threw them in with the next batch. So, in the six days since that I have owned my wet media tumbler, I was able to power through ~10k of 5.56/.223, ~5k of 9mm, and ~500 of .45 ACP brass. Granted, I work from home, so I was able to take break every couple of hours to change out the tumbler barrel, and put the wet brass into a surplus dehydrator (a full tumbler barrel doesn't quite fill the four trays of the dehydrator, and dries them in about an hour). YMMV though. 
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I had planned to do something like that, but since you did it already, I'll just skip to running for shorter times. Now all I need is a less hectic few days at work...like that's gonna happen!Though I am less than a week into being a wet media tumbler, here's my two cents worth: When I first researched this, I purposely sought the tumbler with the high-speed motor because I didn't feel like waiting 8 hours for a batch to finish. But having said that, 4 hours still seemed like a long time, in my mind. So, last Friday, when my Thumler's Tumbler arrived, along with my 5 lbs. of SS media, and the containers of Lemi-Shine, my plan was to use my first batch as a test, tumbling it first for one hour, cracking it open and examining the brass, rinsing and closing it up and tumbling for a second hour, etc., until I reached four hours of tumbling. Funny thing is, after the first hour of tumbling, the brass was so clean, I didn't ever make it to a second hour of tumbling. Every single batch came out just as shiny as these, with the exception of a handful of cases that needed an extra hour. When I came across those cases, I just threw them in with the next batch. So, in the six days since that I have owned my wet media tumbler, I was able to power through ~10k of 5.56/.223, ~5k of 9mm, and ~500 of .45 ACP brass. Granted, I work from home, so I was able to take break every couple of hours to change out the tumbler barrel, and put the wet brass into a surplus dehydrator (a full tumbler barrel doesn't quite fill the four trays of the dehydrator, and dries them in about an hour). YMMV though. http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_3.jpg http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_2.jpg http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_1.jpg Edited Feb 08 2012 1617 hours for grammar 
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I have never had good results from using "cut up" soda bottles, so I measured the volume of a generic 2 liter bottle at the 6" mark. It is just over 2 1/2 pints (or 5 cups if you prefer). And since I wasn't going to use the soda bottle for measuring brass, I got a 2 liter polyethylene pitcher from Wally World, and marked the level I wanted on it. Total expense: under $3 (but I HIGHLY recommend against buying Wal-Mart's "grapefruit" soda...eeewwwwwwwwwww!). And since I could measure my water with the pitcher, I figured this was a good investment.
I'll have before/after pictures later - I'm running around 250 .45ACP cases, and I chose some of the grotiest cases I could find. This should be interesting. |
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Though I am less than a week into being a wet media tumbler, here's my two cents worth: When I first researched this, I purposely sought the tumbler with the high-speed motor because I didn't feel like waiting 8 hours for a batch to finish. But having said that, 4 hours still seemed like a long time, in my mind. So, last Friday, when my Thumler's Tumbler arrived, along with my 5 lbs. of SS media, and the containers of Lemi-Shine, my plan was to use my first batch as a test, tumbling it first for one hour, cracking it open and examining the brass, rinsing and closing it up and tumbling for a second hour, etc., until I reached four hours of tumbling. Funny thing is, after the first hour of tumbling, the brass was so clean, I didn't ever make it to a second hour of tumbling. Every single batch came out just as shiny as these, with the exception of a handful of cases that needed an extra hour. When I came across those cases, I just threw them in with the next batch. So, in the six days since that I have owned my wet media tumbler, I was able to power through ~10k of 5.56/.223, ~5k of 9mm, and ~500 of .45 ACP brass. Granted, I work from home, so I was able to take break every couple of hours to change out the tumbler barrel, and put the wet brass into a surplus dehydrator (a full tumbler barrel doesn't quite fill the four trays of the dehydrator, and dries them in about an hour). YMMV though. http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_3.jpg http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_2.jpg http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/DEMackintosh/Brass_1.jpg Edited Feb 08 2012 1617 hours for grammar I tried that when I started, and I still had primer pockets with just a tiny bit of carbon left after two hours. Might have been tied to my Lemishine concentration. What I'm doing now is two tablespoons of Lemishine, a tablespoon and splash of vinegar, a couple of squirts of dish soap, and then forgetting about it for four hours. I also let the brass soak in the solution for about an hour before starting the tumbler. I haven't done another check of dwell time really required, but I think I'll do that with the next big batch of brass. I have another box full of .308 Win brass that will be a good test. I also need to get a couple more tumblers so I can leave my Thumbler's dedicated to delubing. |
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Quoted: In for the bling pics.I have never had good results from using "cut up" soda bottles, so I measured the volume of a generic 2 liter bottle at the 6" mark. It is just over 2 1/2 pints (or 5 cups if you prefer). And since I wasn't going to use the soda bottle for measuring brass, I got a 2 liter polyethylene pitcher from Wally World, and marked the level I wanted on it. Total expense: under $3 (but I HIGHLY recommend against buying Wal-Mart's "grapefruit" soda...eeewwwwwwwwwww!). And since I could measure my water with the pitcher, I figured this was a good investment. I'll have before/after pictures later - I'm running around 250 .45ACP cases, and I chose some of the grotiest cases I could find. This should be interesting.  |
I had some nasty cases:
But after only 90 minutes... 
The nastiest cases are kind of pink, and their primer pockets didn't get as clean as I'd like, but considering how horrible they were? Fantastic! 
These were the only ones I was sure were in my "before" picture... |
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Just another guy saying "Thank You for the write-up" dryflash3! (and everyone else who provided additional info in their responses)
Vibratory was doing it's job, but despite my best efforts (dryer sheets, suspending a vacuum over while dumping, etc) I was not happy with the amount of "dust" I had to deal with. I don't have a garage, nor outdoor workshop... and didn't want to have that stuff in my living space. Tried ultrasonic... meh, it worked for surface filth. But how could one resist all the bling pictures everyone keeps putting up?! Oh yeah... lack of funds = effortless resistance! 
But... saved up enough nickels and dimes to get the Thumlers+Media package from Brownells/Sinclair. After reading the instructions and various other recommendations, broke out the Lee Universal decapper and deprimed 1000 45ACP cases. Used the cut-up 2L to measure the brass count, added a gallon of hot water, 3 second squirt of Dawn and a 2L capfull (since I lack the fancy 45 case scoop) of Lemishine. Timer to 4hrs, rinse 3 times, lay out on towel to dry. Thing of beauty! However, the decapping was not going to work out for me. As nice as it might be to have shiny primer pockets, with a 13mo old I simply don't have the time for the "added step" of depriming beforehand. So after that initial batch... decided to skip that step. Starting on a 2000ct 30-06 batch. Keeping primers in. After rinsing and spinning in the media seperator, I dump the brass in a lasagna tin and slap in the oven (at 200°) for 20-30min. Brass looks better than new... and no more dust!
The aforementioned 13mo old has kept my progress at a minimum... but after reading some other responses and the luck some folks have had with shorter tumbling times, I may drop my tumble-time to 90-120min vs the 4hrs for future batches. Only 10-11K more cases to go! (Obligatory before/after/in-progress pics): 
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I posted this on one of the other SS threads but thought you guys may give it a shot too.
"Growing up my dad and I would use one of these for small concrete jobs. It has built-in agitators and a sealing o-ring. At $25 it sounds nice for a jumbo drum. I think one would have to add a rim around the rear portion to keep it from falling into the support rods on the tumbler." Price just jumped to $30 but there were $25. I've seen them at wholesale shops for as low as $16-$20. Time for me to build one of these bad boys :) |
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I posted this on one of the other SS threads but thought you guys may give it a shot too. "Growing up my dad and I would use one of these for small concrete jobs. It has built-in agitators and a sealing o-ring. At $25 it sounds nice for a jumbo drum. I think one would have to add a rim around the rear portion to keep it from falling into the support rods on the tumbler." Price just jumped to $30 but there were $25. I've seen them at wholesale shops for as low as $16-$20. time for me to build one of these bad boys :) Sonuva! Oh man... I have one of these sitting in my shed and the thought of using it in this way never crossed my mind! Now I'll be kicking myself for spending on the Thumlers when I could have built myself a jumbo sized for as much or less. Doh! |
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I posted this on one of the other SS threads but thought you guys may give it a shot too. "Growing up my dad and I would use one of these for small concrete jobs. It has built-in agitators and a sealing o-ring. At $25 it sounds nice for a jumbo drum. I think one would have to add a rim around the rear portion to keep it from falling into the support rods on the tumbler." Price just jumped to $30 but there were $25. I've seen them at wholesale shops for as low as $16-$20. time for me to build one of these bad boys :) Sonuva! Oh man... I have one of these sitting in my shed and the thought of using it in this way never crossed my mind! Now I'll be kicking myself for spending on the Thumlers when I could have built myself a jumbo sized for as much or less. Doh! Post pics if you decide to build. I'm debating on building one myself and snagging a Odjob barrel to try it. I always have the DIY bug.
I've joined the SSMedia Club this weekend with a $25 Thumler's Tumbler model b I got from a gentleman off CL. What a score! The drive belt was cracked but still turned. I swung by a vacuum cleaner repair shop and picked up 2 for $6. I also ordered some of the knob's Dry recommeded as well as a new lid gasket for $9. I've run 1k 9mm, 200+ .223, and 500 .45 through it and couldn't be happier. Even tumbling for an hr beats a few in a vibrating with corn cob. I've built a canister for another neat idea I had but I'm gonna save that for a post when I get the drying unit finished
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My attempt at Bling Brass:
My 5.56 brass (unswaged) http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0624.jpg Separated S/S pins using the RCBS spinner with water just covering the brass. http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0633.jpg I had 8 cased with 2 pins each in the primer pocket out of 2 loads in the tumlber. http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0643.jpg With the camera flash: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0639.jpg Without the camera flash: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0640.jpg My first batch of 9mm. Notice the black stripes on the cases which are caused from the flutes in the chamber of an MP5: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0642.jpg And after: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0645.jpg 9mm without camera flash: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh39/Joe49ae/IMAG0644.jpg I love the bling. I just wish these were chunks of solid gold, and not "just" shiny brass. |
| Finally did my first batch of 5.56 tonight, man the brass is sexy..... on a side note, I don't know if I got extremely lucky or somehow I went blind for a second but when I went to re-rinse the brass to get the rest of the SS media out I had none, it's like I got it all the first time around? |
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What do you guys think about this rotary tumbler, I have been using a round drum and it works just as well as the hex drums but mine is rubber so the brass grabs and tumbles inside, not sure if it would do that in a hard plastic drum? I could always get a Tumblers drum later if needed, I'm just looking for the best machine for the best price and this one looks quality built. http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-lb-cap-1-gallon-Rock-Tumbler-Polisher-/320789464615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab08ac627#ht_1537wt_1185 Great thread. Anybody see this from the link above? Reloaders Leaving room for the brass to roll around inside the barrel this tumbler will hold 3/4 of a gallon of brass in the largest barrel. It works extremely fast, cylindrical barrels work up to 50% faster than hexagon barrel tumblers!
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There was also the question on wanting to do 100s of thousands of cases and the ability to remove the media from the brass, there was some question of the media getting stuck inside the brass, not just the primer pockets, but inside the case itself. Is this an issue?
Is was never really addressed after page 12. 
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Quoted: Quoted: What do you guys think about this rotary tumbler, I have been using a round drum and it works just as well as the hex drums but mine is rubber so the brass grabs and tumbles inside, not sure if it would do that in a hard plastic drum? I could always get a Tumblers drum later if needed, I'm just looking for the best machine for the best price and this one looks quality built. http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-lb-cap-1-gallon-Rock-Tumbler-Polisher-/320789464615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab08ac627#ht_1537wt_1185 Great thread. Anybody see this from the link above? Reloaders Leaving room for the brass to roll around inside the barrel this tumbler will hold 3/4 of a gallon of brass in the largest barrel. It works extremely fast, cylindrical barrels work up to 50% faster than hexagon barrel tumblers! Comments? Thoughts? Don't know anything about it. Close to the same price as a Tumblers. I don't know if I believe the claim that round drums tumble faster. Round drums need paddles inside the drum to clean brass. Sure thing=Tumblers, or take a chance? Your choice.
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Quoted: The first 2 posts covered my methods.There was also the question on wanting to do 100s of thousands of cases and the ability to remove the media from the brass, there was some question of the media getting stuck inside the brass, not just the primer pockets, but inside the case itself. Is this an issue? Is was never really addressed after page 12. Media stuck in flashole, happens sometimes. Maybe 5 in 100 cases. Other batches of cases, doesn't happen. Just depends. Media stuck in case, not a problem for me.
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What do you guys think about this rotary tumbler, I have been using a round drum and it works just as well as the hex drums but mine is rubber so the brass grabs and tumbles inside, not sure if it would do that in a hard plastic drum? I could always get a Tumblers drum later if needed, I'm just looking for the best machine for the best price and this one looks quality built. http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-lb-cap-1-gallon-Rock-Tumbler-Polisher-/320789464615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab08ac627#ht_1537wt_1185 Great thread. Anybody see this from the link above? Reloaders Leaving room for the brass to roll around inside the barrel this tumbler will hold 3/4 of a gallon of brass in the largest barrel. It works extremely fast, cylindrical barrels work up to 50% faster than hexagon barrel tumblers!
Comments? Thoughts? Don't know anything about it. Close to the same price as a Tumblers. I don't know if I believe the claim that round drums tumble faster. Round drums need paddles inside the drum to clean brass. Sure thing=Tumblers, or take a chance? Your choice. I'm not buying one of those no matter what. I certainly can see how the round cylinders with the paddles would be better at rolling the entire mass vs a hexagon. Probably why so many people are reporting having success with so many different times frames using the exact same chemicals, media, and process. I have a lot of ideas for my own system. I'm just unsure of how much the wheel needs to be reinvented. 20 years of manufacturing cleaning chemicals and designing and selling cleaning systems makes me have all of these ideas that are bouncing around in my mind right now.
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Media stuck in flashole, happens sometimes. Maybe 5 in 100 cases. Other batches of cases, doesn't happen. Just depends. Media stuck in case, not a problem for me. That one guy was talking about 100's of thousands of cases. I was thinking about a system for 100s of pounds at a time with an easy way to separate that media.
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Well I just got done with a load of 30 carbine out of about 300 had 10 with pins stuck in case 8 in flash hole 2 side ways in case all came out except one of the side way one in case. Played with it for a while then gave up put in scrap bin. Wow. One that wouldn't even come out by hand. That puts a whole new twist on what I was thinking about. |
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Well I just got done with a load of 30 carbine out of about 300 had 10 with pins stuck in case 8 in flash hole 2 side ways in case all came out except one of the side way one in case. Played with it for a while then gave up put in scrap bin. 30 carbine must be a problem case. I had 9 out of 50 last night that had two pins stuck in the flash hole. The 50 7.62x54r and the 100 5.56x45 in the same batch had 0 stuck pins. |
| I dont shoot that much I wish I could.The one thing I have heard was dont leave primers to long after you wet tumble them. I still have my old ways I do a quick clean then deprime and resize and do another real good clean. I like clean brass going thru my dies. |
| I just ran a batch of .30 carbine and didn't have a single case with a pin stuck anywhere. I VIGOROUSLY spin the media separator back and forth many times, which may be why I didn't have any problems, but I figure that if I'm going to use a tool to do something, why do it half way. |
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What do you guys think about this rotary tumbler, I have been using a round drum and it works just as well as the hex drums but mine is rubber so the brass grabs and tumbles inside, not sure if it would do that in a hard plastic drum? I could always get a Tumblers drum later if needed, I'm just looking for the best machine for the best price and this one looks quality built. http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-lb-cap-1-gallon-Rock-Tumbler-Polisher-/320789464615?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab08ac627#ht_1537wt_1185 Great thread. Anybody see this from the link above? Reloaders Leaving room for the brass to roll around inside the barrel this tumbler will hold 3/4 of a gallon of brass in the largest barrel. It works extremely fast, cylindrical barrels work up to 50% faster than hexagon barrel tumblers!
Comments? Thoughts? I would say make your own the way you want it to be. I made mine my large tube holds about 2 gal water my small one a little over 1 gal. If you want to make your own check out ck out BIGGDAWGs thread there are a few people that made thier own some great ideas there. |
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I would say make your own the way you want it to be. I made mine my large tube holds about 2 gal water my small one a little over 1 gal. If you want to make your own check out ck out BIGGDAWGs thread there are a few people that made thier own some great ideas there. Oh I have read them all. I sent an email to one of my guys this morning to build the frame with a link to a thread so he could see what I wanted.
I'm not allowed to weld anymore. 
This one I'm going to make it a little taller and put a drip tray over the motor, just in case the barrel leaks. Hell I have thought about making the barrel an 8in pvc wrapped with rubber hose stuffed inside a 10in pipe to muffle the sound. I've been home sick today so I have been thinking about it all day.
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so i got my tumbler last week. i ran 9mm cases and they came out AMAZING! then i ran some .308 cases (had nickel mixed in) and it seems that they came out a little darker than my 9mm cases. i then tumbled some 45 cases (nickel mixed in as well) and they came out darker.
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so i got my tumbler last week. i ran 9mm cases and they came out AMAZING! then i ran some .308 cases (had nickel mixed in) and it seems that they came out a little darker than my 9mm cases. i then tumbled some 45 cases (nickel mixed in as well) and they came out darker. anyone else noticing darker cases? could the nickel mixed in have something to do with it? How big is your tumbler is home made , if so you may need to add more limi shine. I have heard if there is any steel cases in the batch they will be darker. I have also noticed if I don't wash off my sizing lube they don't come out as shiny. good luck |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Wet tumbling with SS media, lots of pics New info second post 10-02-2015. (Page 9 of 23)
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