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Posted: 7/4/2012 6:26:31 AM EDT
XM216 Flechette headstamps RA/65, 5.6x44mm, green teflon coated fiberglass sabot, For the Special Purpose Individual Weapon (SPIW) 1957-1966 wolfgang
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I fail to see how getting shot with a needle would be worse than a bullet, or cause more damage. Cool nonetheless!
Now if you wore some type of light backpack that powered a pneumatic light machine gun that fired a shit-ton of bare flechettes at high RPM, THAT would be something.....! |
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The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator.
It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. |
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Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. They are supposedly also lighter than standard ball bullets, so they would go much faster. And they tend to slice as much as penetrate. There was a 40mm grenade round that was filled with those buggers...that could ruin a bad guy's whole week... |
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Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. I wonder why we didn't adopt them them. |
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:
Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. They are supposedly also lighter than standard ball bullets, so they would go much faster. And they tend to slice as much as penetrate. There was a 40mm grenade round that was filled with those buggers...that could ruin a bad guy's whole week... I can't see the point of a single flechette but a whole 40mm round full of them?? now that is a different story entirely... |
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Originally Posted By JIP:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. They are supposedly also lighter than standard ball bullets, so they would go much faster. And they tend to slice as much as penetrate. There was a 40mm grenade round that was filled with those buggers...that could ruin a bad guy's whole week... I can't see the point of a single flechette but a whole 40mm round full of them?? now that is a different story entirely... they work pretty good in shotgun shells as well |
| The reason small arms flechettes never really caught on was for them to work you need two things, 1) speed and 2) numbers. You are not going to get 2) from a rifle and you are not going to get 1 from a shot gun or grenade launcher. |
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I've always wondered, with rounds like these, what the effect is of the projectile being totally surrounded by gunpowder during firing. One would think that it may damage or deform the flechette in some manner.
There was a guy selling these flechettes on the EE a while back. I thought about picking some up to try in shotgun shells. |
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Originally Posted By afroney:
Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. I wonder why we didn't adopt them them.[/q] Mainly because a) they didn't incapacitate as predicted, b) the rifles never worked right, and c) in field trials, guys were getting hit in the face with pieces of the sabot from the rifle next to them–– coming out the muzzle the sabot went through a gizmo lined with cutters that shredded the sabot, and pieces went everywhere. One of my older brothers got to shoot one at Aberdeen and had to have a chunk of fiberglass removed from his cheek. |
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Originally Posted By Mccray:
Originally Posted By JIP:
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
Originally Posted By R0N:
The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. They are supposedly also lighter than standard ball bullets, so they would go much faster. And they tend to slice as much as penetrate. There was a 40mm grenade round that was filled with those buggers...that could ruin a bad guy's whole week... I can't see the point of a single flechette but a whole 40mm round full of them?? now that is a different story entirely... they work pretty good in shotgun shells as well I've heard of the shotgun shells before but not the 40mm. Makes me wonder several guys with shotguns or 40mm launchers couldn't just line up and lob flechettes at a massed enemy, much like archers in midevil warfare? And as far as that goes, what about an arty round full of flechettes? Might cause less collateral damage. |
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Originally Posted By Gone_Shootin: I've heard of the shotgun shells before but not the 40mm. Makes me wonder several guys with shotguns or 40mm launchers couldn't just line up and lob flechettes at a massed enemy, much like archers in midevil warfare? And as far as that goes, what about an arty round full of flechettes? Might cause less collateral damage. In Iraq the Cobras where using FFR with flechette warheads. It worked. Good. Growing up I was addicted to Vietnam biographies, and read from many authors that the flechette shotgun rounds they used were very effective through foliage. |
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Originally Posted By afroney: Originally Posted By R0N: The theory was fleshettes fish hooked when they hit flesh causing a worse wound than would be anticipate by such a small penetrator. It normally happen with cannon delivered ones because the explosive force of opening the clam shell case of the APERS round often bent them slightly. I wonder why we didn't adopt them them. Because they're so light, they're only effective if you can deliver a bunch of them into a target. The APERS had 8,000 flechettes in it. But for small arms, like shotguns, you can't get enough of them to be as effective as say 8 heavy 00 shot. There are better ways to kill things. |
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