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With the assault weapons bans that have been introduced in MN I am thinking of getting any guns I wouldn't be able to get if the bills went through. The only thing I don't have covered right now is a semi auto .308. I am thinking I would like to get a 16 inch semi auto .308 to make into a sort of DMR type rifle. I would like to run it suppressed with a Dead Air Nomad that I already have. I have been looking at the following, but I am curious what you guys think. PSA Sabre 10 - good price and I like the adjustable gas block for shooting suppressed. The accuracy doesn’t seem great, but not terrible either. Sig 716i - seems like a reliable and well built rifle. The only downside side is that it seems a little over gassed for a non flow through suppressor. Robinson Arms XCR - these seem to get good reviews. They are probably at the top end of my budget. They also seem fairly customizable from the shop. Daniel Defense DD5 V3 - They are spendy, but i qualify for their LE/mil discount, so that helps. They also have an adjustable gas block which would be nice for suppressed shooting. Seekins SP10 - these appear to have really good accuracy. Also on the more expensive side though. I am open to any input you guys have. I have quite a few 5.56 guns, but .308 is a whole new world for me. |
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My biased opinion (like all others are LOL) HK MR762, reliable, easy to clean, good shooters, not chheeep IMO you get what you paid for, forget all the BS about proprietary arguments 308 AR's are mostly vendor proprietary no set standard out there like the AR15 types and mags have come down in price and are plenty available - been shootin the same five plastic mags in two rifles for four years |
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I absolutely love my xcr's, would recommend them also on the premise that its really easy to order a ton of parts from them as well. As for the price, rest assured that what you see is the end price, there is not a single bit of aftermarket needed for the gun, everything comes tuned and perfect from the factory. They also have longer recievers than standard ar platforms, which results in a much slower recoil impulse and makes spotting hits much much easier. My scope stays perfectly on target to spot impacts even at close distances Attached File |
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Originally Posted By d16man: My Sabre is fantastic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/1000013528-3709863.jpg What kind of accuracy do you get out of it? |
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if you're thinking long term / ban items go with one that you will be able to get any parts later, because we don't know what tomorrow holds. I would go with a LR308 pattern rifle, there will always be parts for them around. I would go with the PSA Sabre 10 what's makes a good large frame shooter is the same as small frame AR's , a good barrel and trigger |
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Originally Posted By Tug153: What kind of accuracy do you get out of it? Only shot it once to zero it. Haven't had time to test different ammo. |
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Battle rifle or precision rifle? 1MOA with scope or 2-4MOA with ball ammo and RDS? I have the DD with a 3-18 on it and it's 1.5MOA with match ammo. Built one identical to it with aero M5 parts and criterion 16" and does about the same, but it's not got a 1-6 on it and gets ball ammo |
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I would go with something modular so that you can swap out calibers if the want arises. So LMT and XCR are great picks. I love my LMT. I would say this is one category it’s worth spending up for I rolls my own AR10 and it was very finnicky. That being said the PSA’s seemed to have figured it out at a lower price point. |
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What's the budget? Are you sold on an AR10-style, or open to any 308 autoloader? The new rev of the FN SCAR is good to go, just got one, I've only put 140 rounds through it at the 50 yard line to zero the optic I put on it and basic function testing, and the can for it hasn't come in yet, but it's a solid buy. They're generally pretty accurate for what they are, 2moa-ish. I built two Aero M5E1 uppers/lowers, but that's a dead end now... If I had to buy a 308 AR and was going to suppress it, the LMT (the Brit reference rifle to be specific) would be my top choice followed by the M110 clone from PSA. To be clear though that's the ONLY 308 AR I'd get from PSA, and even then I'd be wary of parts issues. Accuracy should be 1.5-3moa, give or take...the PSA may do better given that it's supposed to be a target-ish rifle but who knows. The standard LMT rifles are good too, but the Brit reference rifle is too sexy to ignore. I still might get that M110 clone anyway...always wanted one - though I'd need to get the Griffin re-pop can for it if I did that, not sure if the PSA comes with the correct gas block...if it doesn't, then I'd need to get that too to make it more correct. You can go off-piste and build your own AR; for the two Aeros I pieced together, the Riflespeed gas block has been a godsend for tuning. Criterion barrels are good to go, there's a few other 308/7.62x51 AR10 barrel makers that can get good accuracy. I don't have any experience with RobArm XCRs but I hear they're pretty good. I've got a pile of FALs and a G3K clone, and while the PTR G3 clones aren't "perfect" they're generally good enough - enough so where if I ran a few hundred rounds through one with no issues I wouldn't feel bad about bagging it up in my trunk as a just-in-case conversion kit for turning cover into concealment. Honorable mention(s) go to the Sig products, the 716 is apparently good to go but a lot of proprietary parts on it. The M7/Spear...too many mixed reviews for me to spend that much money on one. At the end of the day though it really all depends on how much you want to spend. Edit - I wouldn't touch a Springfield M1A with someone else's hands, and I also wouldn't get one of the other higher-quality manufacturers either (unless for some reason I wanted one as a wall-hanger in my collection). They're at best a nostalgia choice, and there's not a single thing they do as well (let alone better) than the other 308s on the market today. Heavier, not as accurate (even match-prepped ones won't stack up against an AR10 with a decent barrel and bolt), wood stock ones will have a wandering zero depending on the weather, etc. The AR10 is it's contemporary as far as time of design, and doesn't have any of it's drawbacks. |
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I’ve personally experienced a pretty decent variety of 308/7.62/6.5CM rifles over the years as being a collector and dealer. The two biggest question I always ask someone when they ask for a recommendation is what is the budget and desired use. For you I’d also add timeline. Here is a brief rundown of my reviews based on owning: Seekins SP10: very solid and accurate option but had some issues with my team guns and their first gen adjustable block. LWRCi REPR: looked great and was a huge fan of the side charging handle but could not get it to shoot reliably suppressed. After sending it back to LWRC twice, I told them to keep it and they refunded my money. Was pretty bummed about it since I love everything else about. Reports are that the newest gen REPRs are sorted but could never bring myself to try again. Larue: Ordered the OBR when it was first released. Besides being a pretty heavy platform, it was a very accurate platform that I just as a duty rifle for several years. Sold it to a team member with almost 5000 rounds down the pipe and it was still sub-MOA. I conserved picking up the PredatOBR but reliably and consistent accuracy have been reported and not a big fan of Mark Larue. LMT: I’ve had multiple LMTs in various barrel/upper configurations and calibers. Current own a MWS Defender-H (just ordered a Kreiger barrel to convert if from 16” 7.62 to 14.5” 6.5CM) and a MARS-H in 20” 6.5CM. They are an amazing blend of ruggedness, accuracy, and convenience. KAC: I love my Knights SR-25. It was a platform I’d lusted over for years and jumped at the chance to buy one through an industry friend. It is well built, very accurate, and it will never lose value. It has one glaring problem: it is seriously overpriced when compared to industry competitors and practically impossible to find unless your willing to paid a ridiculous premium. Still love it though and will never sell it. Daniel Defense: I only owned my DD5 v3 for a short period of time before selling it. Overall it was just okay and found it average all around. Accuracy was just average, trigger was garbage, and IMO their in-house furniture is terrible. Just felt the price did not reflect the package. Sold it after a couple weeks. American Defense: For the same money as the DD, the ADM UIC-10A was a much better package and personally a step up on all fronts. Accuracy was excellent, fit and finish was perfect, and I enjoyed it while I had it. Ultimately I had a friend wanting a large frame AR and it was the one in my collection at the time I was willing to part with so sold it to him. It’s still running like champ. GAP: I’ve owned both a 1st gen (POF based) and 2nd gen (Seekins based) rifle. I loved the 2nd gen rifle and it was incredibly accurate and well made. Unfortunately for the money, I always viewed it as an Seekins with an expensive barrel. Sold it for what paid and picked up the JP. JP Rifles: I owned a LRP-07 in 22” 6.5CM several years back. It was incredibly well made and I still view their guns as the pinnacle of precision based AR’s. Available as a side charger or standard charging handle upper, world class accuracy, their silent capture buffer and variable mass BCG are truly amazing, and can be customized to an end users preference. Ended up selling it when I need money for something. Regretted it almost instantly. With some law changes coming in a few more months in Colorado, I decided to order another one. Should have my limited run cut-rifled 18” 308 in another couple month. Lanxang Tactical: Recently picked up a VL-34 in 16” 7.62 from a teammate who ordered it back in 2018, shot it once for 10 rounds then put it in a safe and never shot it again. Sold it to me for half of what he paid. Took it to the range and shot a best 5 shot group of .4 MOA. It’s a laser but sadly the company no longer exists. Another rifle that will be in my collection until I die. Also have had several non-AR battle rifles: H&K: Had an M762. Was a good overall package but heavy and proprietary. Sold it when they were hard to come by. For the price I think there are better options unless you’re a H&K fan. FN: I have owned both the SCAR-17 (308) and 20S (6.5CM) and they were actually a pretty nice package. Definitely needed a trigger upgrade. Sold the 17 during a panic about 15 years ago and the 20s during the COVID era. Solid platforms and I’m a FNH fan with a SCAR 15P and PS90 currently in the collection. IWI: I had a 16” Galil ACE but found it a little too unbalanced and heavy. I love the Galil Ace platform so I sold the rifle version and purchased the factory SBR version instead. Takes Pmags and eats any ammo I feed it. Definitely a great SHTF type battle rifle but short 308 can be a LOUD handful. After all of that here are my recommendations based on quality, availability and cost (most to least expensive): 1) Geissele MRGG: I finally got hands on time with one and was thoroughly impressed. They knocked it out of the park but it has a price to match. I considered selling one of my LMT’s to pick one up but decided the difference wasn’t worth the cost to me. $5000-$6500 2) JP LRP-07: Very customizable and I can’t wait for my new one to arrive. Depending on your timeframe though, they are 3-4 months out for a custom build. They are available in generic specs from dealers though. $4000-$5000. 3) LMT: For the money the MWS Defender-H or MARS-H is what I would (and have) purchase. You can buy complete rifles in several calibers or you can just pick up a lower now and then customize the upper later. With Dave Wilson barrel conversions, you can put any barrel you want in it. $2500-$4000 4) ADM: The UIC-10A is my favorite large frame AR in the $2500-$3000 range. 5) Seekins: This is my next favorite in the $2500-$3000 range. I found it slight more accurate than the ADM but the ADM was a better overall package. Or: Pick up a larger frame builder set from a reputable company and build your own. I have a couple of those as well in my collection and while they are accurate, I had a lot of fun building them. Zero reliability issues as well. |
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Originally Posted By onekneedown: I’ve personally experienced a pretty decent variety of 308/7.62/6.5CM rifles over the years as being a collector and dealer. The two biggest question I always ask someone when they ask for a recommendation is what is the budget and desired use. For you I’d also add timeline. Here is a brief rundown of my reviews based on owning: Seekins SP10: very solid and accurate option but had some issues with my team guns and their first gen adjustable block. LWRCi REPR: looked great and was a huge fan of the side charging handle but could not get it to shoot reliably suppressed. After sending it back to LWRC twice, I told them to keep it and they refunded my money. Was pretty bummed about it since I love everything else about. Reports are that the newest gen REPRs are sorted but could never bring myself to try again. Larue: Ordered the OBR when it was first released. Besides being a pretty heavy platform, it was a very accurate platform that I just as a duty rifle for several years. Sold it to a team member with almost 5000 rounds down the pipe and it was still sub-MOA. I conserved picking up the PredatOBR but reliably and consistent accuracy have been reported and not a big fan of Mark Larue. LMT: I’ve had multiple LMTs in various barrel/upper configurations and calibers. Current own a MWS Defender-H (just ordered a Kreiger barrel to convert if from 16” 7.62 to 14.5” 6.5CM) and a MARS-H in 20” 6.5CM. They are an amazing blend of ruggedness, accuracy, and convenience. KAC: I love my Knights SR-25. It was a platform I’d lusted over for years and jumped at the chance to buy one through an industry friend. It is well built, very accurate, and it will never lose value. It has one glaring problem: it is seriously overpriced when compared to industry competitors and practically impossible to find unless your willing to paid a ridiculous premium. Still love it though and will never sell it. Daniel Defense: I only owned my DD5 v3 for a short period of time before selling it. Overall it was just okay and found it average all around. Accuracy was just average, trigger was garbage, and IMO their in-house furniture is terrible. Just felt the price did not reflect the package. Sold it after a couple weeks. American Defense: For the same money as the DD, the ADM UIC-10A was a much better package and personally a step up on all fronts. Accuracy was excellent, fit and finish was perfect, and I enjoyed it while I had it. Ultimately I had a friend wanting a large frame AR and it was the one in my collection at the time I was willing to part with so sold it to him. It’s still running like champ. GAP: I’ve owned both a 1st gen (POF based) and 2nd gen (Seekins based) rifle. I loved the 2nd gen rifle and it was incredibly accurate and well made. Unfortunately for the money, I always viewed it as an Seekins with an expensive barrel. Sold it for what paid and picked up the JP. JP Rifles: I owned a LRP-07 in 22” 6.5CM several years back. It was incredibly well made and I still view their guns as the pinnacle of precision based AR’s. Available as a side charger or standard charging handle upper, world class accuracy, their silent capture buffer and variable mass BCG are truly amazing, and can be customized to an end users preference. Ended up selling it when I need money for something. Regretted it almost instantly. With some law changes coming in a few more months in Colorado, I decided to order another one. Should have my limited run cut-rifled 18” 308 in another couple month. Lanxang Tactical: Recently picked up a VL-34 in 16” 7.62 from a teammate who ordered it back in 2018, shot it once for 10 rounds then put it in a safe and never shot it again. Sold it to me for half of what he paid. Took it to the range and shot a best 5 shot group of .4 MOA. It’s a laser but sadly the company no longer exists. Another rifle that will be in my collection until I die. Also have had several non-AR battle rifles: H&K: Had an M762. Was a good overall package but heavy and proprietary. Sold it when they were hard to come by. For the price I think there are better options unless you’re a H&K fan. FN: I have owned both the SCAR-17 (308) and 20S (6.5CM) and they were actually a pretty nice package. Definitely needed a trigger upgrade. Sold the 17 during a panic about 15 years ago and the 20s during the COVID era. Solid platforms and I’m a FNH fan with a SCAR 15P and PS90 currently in the collection. IWI: I had a 16” Galil ACE but found it a little too unbalanced and heavy. I love the Galil Ace platform so I sold the rifle version and purchased the factory SBR version instead. Takes Pmags and eats any ammo I feed it. Definitely a great SHTF type battle rifle but short 308 can be a LOUD handful. After all of that here are my recommendations based on quality, availability and cost (most to least expensive): 1) Geissele MRGG: I finally got hands on time with one and was thoroughly impressed. They knocked it out of the park but it has a price to match. I considered selling one of my LMT’s to pick one up but decided the difference wasn’t worth the cost to me. $5000-$6500 2) JP LRP-07: Very customizable and I can’t wait for my new one to arrive. Depending on your timeframe though, they are 3-4 months out for a custom build. They are available in generic specs from dealers though. $4000-$5000. 3) LMT: For the money the MWS Defender-H or MARS-H is what I would (and have) purchase. You can buy complete rifles in several calibers or you can just pick up a lower now and then customize the upper later. With Dave Wilson barrel conversions, you can put any barrel you want in it. $2500-$4000 4) ADM: The UIC-10A is my favorite large frame AR in the $2500-$3000 range. 5) Seekins: This is my next favorite in the $2500-$3000 range. I found it slight more accurate than the ADM but the ADM was a better overall package. Or: Pick up a larger frame builder set from a reputable company and build your own. I have a couple of those as well in my collection and while they are accurate, I had a lot of fun building them. Zero reliability issues as well. Thanks for the info. That's a great post. |
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I’d go with the Seekins for all out precision, but the PSA Sabre’s aren’t bad with the right ammo. Attached File Attached File |
| I built two aero m5s. Bought SFAR for myself. Bought a psa 10 for my son in-law. The Ruger is the better rifle to me but they have all been gtg. The Ruger was a great product I cant understand why they are done making them. Hopefully they have something new and better to replace it with. I would like to buy the pof small frame some day. |
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I only own two .308 styles a M1a and a SIG MCX SEAR in 308. I did not like the M1a due to the ergonomics of it. You can mount a scope, maybe mount a rail depending on the chassis but otherwise it's a pretty limited market. The SPEAR 308 I really like because you still get the familiarity of the AR15 style rifles, but you get the larger caliber. |
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142: The tradeoff is increased weight, but an LMT MARS-H would be my choice. Realistically the weight difference in most of the “Mil” large-frame AR’s is pretty close. My older LMT MWS quad rail was a bit of a porker but all of the newer mlok uppers are lighter. Weight between my LMT’s, KAC, JP, Zev, Seekins, etc have all been pretty close. This is a platform I’ve accepted will always tip the scale close to 10 pounds. If you want light weight, VSeven Harbinger is were I’d spend my money. 6 1/2 pounds is significantly lighter but recoil is definitely higher as well. No free lunches. |
| Have built 3 AR10’s and bought a SFAR with the 20 inch barrel. The SFAR is the most accurate and lightest. You won’t go wrong with a SFAR. Seems allot of issues with the 16 inch version. Get the 20 inch barrel. You can have it chopped down if it’s too long for you. You will have better accuracy with a longer barrel. I put a faxon match barrel on one of my builds. Just as accurate as the SFAR. |
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Originally Posted By JHMC79: https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-10-sport-optics-ready +1 |
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Originally Posted By onekneedown: Didn't Ruger discontinue the SFAR? I'd definitely think twice about buying a discontinued firearm that's not built on "standard" architecture. |
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Originally Posted By onekneedown: Didn’t Ruger discontinue the SFAR? I’d definitely think twice about buying a discontinued firearm that’s not built on “standard” architecture. Supposedly it is only in transition to a new production facility and not actually discontinued. Supposedly I'll say this, I don't care for the AR10. I just don't. But I love my SFAR. Just a different user experience in every way and more pleasant in every way. It's not a sub MOA sniper rifle, but it works for me. Failing that- FAL and M1A. Personally I like 6.5 Creedmoor as a better round than .308, and would suggest at least a moment to double think on that. Yes, it's insufferably over promoted and man-bun and all that. The reason for all that is because it's the better round - just is. .308 still works, but is obsolete in comparison. Sorry. |
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