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Posted: 12/4/2016 8:18:40 PM EDT
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In Maryland, we have a complicated set of laws concerning the purchase and ownership of the AR platform. If you owned it before the latest change in our laws in 2013, you can keep it; you just can't sell it in-state.
Putting aside building your own, we are basically limited to a rifle with a heavy barrel (HBAR). The other limitations such as overall length are not relevant to my questions. I would like a mid-length gas system. 16" bbl ok; 18" better. Who makes a quality complete rifle with these specs ? Thanks. |
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many makers have hbars.
psa, colt, ect ect state law does not define what an hbar is, so the rifle/upper/barrel must be marketed as an hbar by tha manufactuerer i personally built my lowers, bought an upper from hardened arms for the first, and will build my second |
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Originally Posted By mdram:
bushmasters are no go, they are banned by name. any upper/lower you uses the upper must still have an hbar barrel yes md sucks but at least you can legally buy 30rd mags in another state and bring them home. just cant buy them here Good thing Maryland is a small state. Quick drive to PA or VA and there ya go. HBAR marked lowers would be easy to make. |
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I appreciate all the comments, but was curious as to a manufacturer who makes a complete, HBAR (and marked) mid-length rifle. Not interested in building a gun.
As for the rest of the regulations, also well aware. I am a retired LEO with an unrestricted carry permit, and relatively unlimited funds, so not worried about the rest of the hogwash. Plenty of regular cap mags already and all I want are easily available. Just looking for a complete gun that a dealer would have no problem transferring to me without any dancing around. |
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Originally Posted By OldLawman:
I appreciate all the comments, but was curious as to a manufacturer who makes a complete, HBAR (and marked) mid-length rifle. Not interested in building a gun. As for the rest of the regulations, also well aware. I am a retired LEO with an unrestricted carry permit, and relatively unlimited funds, so not worried about the rest of the hogwash. Plenty of regular cap mags already and all I want are easily available. Just looking for a complete gun that a dealer would have no problem transferring to me without any dancing around. I believe Engage also manufactures them too. |
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Originally Posted By OldLawman:
I appreciate all the comments, but was curious as to a manufacturer who makes a complete, HBAR (and marked) mid-length rifle. Not interested in building a gun. As for the rest of the regulations, also well aware. I am a retired LEO with an unrestricted carry permit, and relatively unlimited funds, so not worried about the rest of the hogwash. Plenty of regular cap mags already and all I want are easily available. Just looking for a complete gun that a dealer would have no problem transferring to me without any dancing around. an almost any manufacturer has one. do you have a brand preference? have you talked to your dealer? many dealers actually stock them. |
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Originally Posted By OldLawman:
In Maryland, we have a complicated set of laws concerning the purchase and ownership of the AR platform. If you owned it before the latest change in our laws in 2013, you can keep it; you just can't sell it in-state. Putting aside building your own, we are basically limited to a rifle with a heavy barrel (HBAR). The other limitations such as overall length are not relevant to my questions. I would like a mid-length gas system. 16" bbl ok; 18" better. Who makes a quality complete rifle with these specs ? Thanks. Del-Ton has this one that they say has a heavy profile mod-length 16" barrel. 16" Mid-length Heavy They has this one as well. 16" Mid-length Heavy M-LOK |
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Rock River has the Delta Mid-Length complete rifle. Would need to double check that they are stamped HBAR.
I have one of the uppers in mid length and it is very accurate. https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=568&CFID=587123184&CFTOKEN=15638834 |
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Originally Posted By OldLawman:
I appreciate all the comments, but was curious as to a manufacturer who makes a complete, HBAR (and marked) mid-length rifle. Not interested in building a gun. As for the rest of the regulations, also well aware. I am a retired LEO with an unrestricted carry permit, and relatively unlimited funds, so not worried about the rest of the hogwash. Plenty of regular cap mags already and all I want are easily available. Just looking for a complete gun that a dealer would have no problem transferring to me without any dancing around. I'd get a Colt. You could have the barrel lightened under the handguard if weight was an issue and the HBAR markings would still be on the barrel. Since you made the above statement which I have highlighted in red, you might consider moving out of MD. |
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Moving in a couple of years after my wife retires to a gun friendlier state, so that's already decided.
Until then, still looking. Stamping HBAR on an otherwise non-HBAR gun is a good way to get into trouble here, so not worth the trouble. Already own a Colt 6721 (HBAR A3 Carbine), but heard good things about a mid-length gas system - softer recoil, etc. |
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Originally Posted By OldLawman
Moving in a couple of years after my wife retires to a gun friendlier state, so that's already decided. Until then, still looking. Stamping HBAR on an otherwise non-HBAR gun is a good way to get into trouble here, so not worth the trouble. Already own a Colt 6721 (HBAR A3 Carbine), but heard good things about a mid-length gas system - softer recoil, etc. Originally Posted By TBTn7:
I'd get a Colt. You could have the barrel lightened under the handguard if weight was an issue and the HBAR markings would still be on the barrel. Since you made the above statement which I have highlighted in red, you might consider moving out of MD. Someone suggested stamping the HBAR marking on the barrel. It was not me. I suggested getting a Colt already marked that way and turning it down under the handguards if weight is a problem. |
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