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2/4/2019 12:01:12 AM EDT
A while back a friend of mine allowed me to not only hold, but to take apart Armalite Prototyoe AR15 serial number 3. I have posted some of the photos before, but for one reason or another, I have never posted them all at the same time, so here you go.  I hope you have as much fun looking at them as I did taking them I am also including some derailed photos of prototype #2.  It will probabky take me about an hour to load all of the photos.

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Me, making a mold of the Armalite logo butt plate off of the rifle:

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The mold:

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Pictures of #2:

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2/4/2019 12:54:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Thank you Sir, they are now forever part of history.
2/4/2019 1:44:03 AM EDT
[#2]
Excellent Pictures, real gem. Glad they were able to be shared with the world!
Best,
Cole
2/4/2019 3:40:28 AM EDT
[#3]
Nice pics.
2/4/2019 8:21:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Outstanding Tom. Thank you so much for sharing. It’s great that somebody who knows what to look for got to take them apart.
2/4/2019 10:21:11 AM EDT
[#5]
I didn't realize that at least some of the prototypes had the AR-10/M1 Carbine type FCG.
2/4/2019 11:14:27 AM EDT
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I think all of the prototypes had the same fire control group.  It was changed when the 601 was produced.
2/4/2019 11:19:39 AM EDT
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I found the fcg interesting and that they didn't use a C clip on the dust cover rod. The whole rifle is very interesting, but I never realized those two areas differed from future ar15's so much.
2/4/2019 11:23:21 AM EDT
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Wow.

Placing this on the favorites list for sure.
2/4/2019 11:38:20 AM EDT
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I found the fcg interesting and that they didn't use a C clip on the dust cover rod. The whole rifle is very interesting, but I never realized those two areas differed from future ar15's so much.
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Good eye.  I even had them in my hands and never noticed that the dust cover rod was "flattened" instead of using a "c" clip until you noticed it just now.  Thanks to you, I will have to change yet another part on my prototype clone, lol
2/4/2019 11:48:25 AM EDT
[#10]
Very interesting "basket weave" pattern on the stock!

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Also interesting to note the length of the 25 round magazine at around 5.25".  It is as long as a Lancer or Magpul 20 round magazine!  I wonder how long brownell's new 25 round magazine is?
2/4/2019 12:19:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for sharing M16indiana. Pictures for the ages. Like Blain's mentioning of the basket weave stock which is unique, I'm sure curious on how this was done. I have my thoughts though on how it was completed...... Mondo Groovy on both rifles.
2/4/2019 12:19:56 PM EDT
[#12]
That's incredible. Are those 3 hardness indentations in the mag well? Thanks for sharing these.
2/4/2019 1:29:25 PM EDT
[#13]
I'm also very intrigued by the FCG. Don't know very much about other systems, but I knew it was different from normal.  I also didn't pick up on the dust port rod either until now.
2/5/2019 10:46:03 AM EDT
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In answer to questions, I did not photograpgh the bolt groups because they both appeared identical to standard chrome 601 bolt groups.
2/5/2019 11:23:14 AM EDT
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2/5/2019 1:44:29 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks for the pics!
2/5/2019 3:15:52 PM EDT
[#17]
I gotta know, how was the BHO retained in the lower? Because the pics look like we cut it the same way.

And I have never seen an inside pics before.
2/5/2019 3:21:13 PM EDT
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I gotta know, how was the BHO retained in the lower? Because the pics look like we cut it the same way.

And I have never seen an inside pics before.
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Can't wait to get mine from you guys.  Shipped yesterday!

Also, can anybody explain the FCG setup?
2/5/2019 3:27:13 PM EDT
[#19]
This thread is awesome
2/5/2019 3:29:53 PM EDT
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Can't wait to get mine from you guys.  Shipped yesterday!

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The FCG is virtually identical to an M-1 carbine set up, or the AR-10 set up.  I want to try to reproduce it, but am afraid of "double taps" which was a common "malfunction" when testing these in semi auto.
2/5/2019 4:24:45 PM EDT
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In answer to questions, I did not photograpgh the bolt groups because they both appeared identical to standard chrome 601 bolt groups.
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In answer to questions, I did not photograpgh the bolt groups because they both appeared identical to standard chrome 601 bolt groups.
Likely the improved carriers. The originals were slabside, like mini AR-10 carriers. Should have still had longer gas keys than 601/modern carriers though.

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I gotta know, how was the BHO retained in the lower? Because the pics look like we cut it the same way
I think you guys cut it right. I know some of the early AR-10s used a pair of nested "connex" spring pins to keep the bolt catch in the slot but, I'm curious they did the same on the 15s.

I could only find one place that sold connex pins to the general public but they only sold in boxes of 100 and they closed last year.
2/5/2019 4:31:55 PM EDT
[#22]
amazing

2/5/2019 5:04:03 PM EDT
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The FCG is virtually identical to an M-1 carbine set up, or the AR-10 set up.  I want to try to reproduce it, but am afraid of "double taps" which was a common "malfunction" when testing these in semi auto.
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I am also interested in a reproduction
2/5/2019 5:24:44 PM EDT
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That solid hammer is pretty interesting.

I love seeing tool room prototype stuff, it gives insight on the thought processes of what I want to make vs how am I going to make it a reality.
2/5/2019 6:48:39 PM EDT
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Likely the improved carriers. The originals were slabside, like mini AR-10 carriers. Should have still had longer gas keys than 601/modern carriers though.
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No, the gas keys were the same size as 601 keys, otherwise I would have photographed them.  Why do you think they should be longer?
2/5/2019 7:57:38 PM EDT
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No, the gas keys were the same size as 601 keys, otherwise I would have photographed them.  Why do you think they should be longer?
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Notice how on each carrier, even on the picture of #3 from TBR in the middle there (a bit hard to see), the gas key extends to the rear of the bolt lugs of the unlocked bolt. Notice how on the 601 carrier, it doesn't even extend past the carrier face.

The early AR-10s are configured in a similar fashion.
2/5/2019 8:25:00 PM EDT
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Great eyes on that one, I completely missed the gas key difference.
2/5/2019 9:34:17 PM EDT
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Notice how on each carrier, even on the picture of #3 from TBR in the middle there (a bit hard to see), the gas key extends to the rear of the bolt lugs of the unlocked bolt. Notice how on the 601 carrier, it doesn't even extend past the carrier face.

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Either I missed the difference, or they had been "changed out" to regular 601 bolt groups
2/6/2019 10:12:28 AM EDT
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Hard to say at this point. Wasn't TBR written 25-30 years ago by now? Who knows how many times those guns changed hands since then.

Speaking of that, what became of the owner and the guns? Haven't seen them at shows for a year or two now, their website is gone, and their social media has been abandoned.
2/6/2019 11:24:01 PM EDT
[#30]
WOW!! Thank you sir

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