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"THE STATE OF THE 6.8" ... JULY, 2009 (Page 8 of 8)
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Originally Posted By hi-tech-rancher:
I'm still not sure. I can't seem to get a straight answer. I have to believe they will eventually be offered for sale as components. Originally Posted By hi-tech-rancher:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
HTR, when will , or is, the Gold Dot going to be available as a component? I'm still not sure. I can't seem to get a straight answer. I have to believe they will eventually be offered for sale as components. I hope so, because the 90gr bullets all seem to be tack drivers in the 6.8s. This Gold Dot would make a perfect jack of all trades for me. Deer v Hogs v SD v SHTF v Target v The only thing would be longer distance hunting, or longer distance target shooting due to wind deflection with the light 90gr and low BC. What I'm saying, is this could be a buy them cheap ( relatively cheap ) and stack them deep projectile that would do more than the 90gr TNT or the 90gr Sierra. Then, I could just buy a few hundred specialty rounds, like the Raptor, the 95ttsx, the 110gr accubond, 120SST, and something for longer ranges like the 130 or 140gr . |
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HTR, I am talking with someone , well two someone's. One here with a ULD design, and another on a different thing altogether, a cheap plinking bullet. The ULD design is Fat McNasty here. I was looking at what he had for the .30cal round, and just thought, Hmm, perhaps he can come up with something for the 6.8 that will be really good for LR stuff. Pricey, but something to extend the range in a medium-heavy weight ( 105-125gr ) for use in target shooting.
The company with the plinking bullet will be getting back to me this week hopefully. I do want your input on both as far as total oal for the projectile for the weight. If I get anything going, and you have time, I would like to have you test some , along with some of the other guys that can give honest feedback with experience. The company for the plinking bullet is one of the companies that sell plated bullets. They have some rifle , .223 and .308, projos in that design and it's cheap and it works. |
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Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
HTR, I am talking with someone , well two someone's. One here with a ULD design, and another on a different thing altogether, a cheap plinking bullet. The ULD design is Fat McNasty here. I was looking at what he had for the .30cal round, and just thought, Hmm, perhaps he can come up with something for the 6.8 that will be really good for LR stuff. Pricey, but something to extend the range in a medium-heavy weight ( 105-125gr ) for use in target shooting. The company with the plinking bullet will be getting back to me this week hopefully. I do want your input on both as far as total oal for the projectile for the weight. If I get anything going, and you have time, I would like to have you test some , along with some of the other guys that can give honest feedback with experience. The company for the plinking bullet is one of the companies that sell plated bullets. They have some rifle , .223 and .308, projos in that design and it's cheap and it works. All of the bullet development I've seen so far leaves me.....meh. We already had the 90-grain SSA plinking load several years ago. It was awesome. No idea why it didn't last. These other light bullets really underwhelm me in light of the fact that we already had the 85 TSX and the 90 TNT(?). Give me a 105- to 115-grain cup-and-core bullet with a BC of over .400 that can be loaded to mag length (Like the hornady SST, but a bit lighter and sleeker) and I'd be happy. Oh, and it needs to be no more than $30/100 for the component bullets. Screw this $1/projectile nonsense. Accubonds are as high as I'll go on bullets. More than that and I might as well shoot another caliber. |
...But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay...All my familiars watched for my halting...But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one...
Jeremiah 20 9-11
Jeremiah 20 9-11
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
All of the bullet development I've seen so far leaves me.....meh. We already had the 90-grain SSA plinking load several years ago. It was awesome. No idea why it didn't last. These other light bullets really underwhelm me in light of the fact that we already had the 85 TSX and the 90 TNT(?). Give me a 105- to 115-grain cup-and-core bullet with a BC of over .400 that can be loaded to mag length (Like the hornady SST, but a bit lighter and sleeker) and I'd be happy. Oh, and it needs to be no more than $30/100 for the component bullets. Screw this $1/projectile nonsense. Accubonds are as high as I'll go on bullets. More than that and I might as well shoot another caliber. Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
HTR, I am talking with someone , well two someone's. One here with a ULD design, and another on a different thing altogether, a cheap plinking bullet. The ULD design is Fat McNasty here. I was looking at what he had for the .30cal round, and just thought, Hmm, perhaps he can come up with something for the 6.8 that will be really good for LR stuff. Pricey, but something to extend the range in a medium-heavy weight ( 105-125gr ) for use in target shooting. The company with the plinking bullet will be getting back to me this week hopefully. I do want your input on both as far as total oal for the projectile for the weight. If I get anything going, and you have time, I would like to have you test some , along with some of the other guys that can give honest feedback with experience. The company for the plinking bullet is one of the companies that sell plated bullets. They have some rifle , .223 and .308, projos in that design and it's cheap and it works. All of the bullet development I've seen so far leaves me.....meh. We already had the 90-grain SSA plinking load several years ago. It was awesome. No idea why it didn't last. These other light bullets really underwhelm me in light of the fact that we already had the 85 TSX and the 90 TNT(?). Give me a 105- to 115-grain cup-and-core bullet with a BC of over .400 that can be loaded to mag length (Like the hornady SST, but a bit lighter and sleeker) and I'd be happy. Oh, and it needs to be no more than $30/100 for the component bullets. Screw this $1/projectile nonsense. Accubonds are as high as I'll go on bullets. More than that and I might as well shoot another caliber. If I can get the plinking deal started, we're talking about projectiles that you can get for about .11¢-.14¢ each, shipped. That is big. That's a .25 ¢ bullet. |
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
All of the bullet development I've seen so far leaves me.....meh. I'm not sure what period of time you're looking at, but when you consider that, at the start of all this, we had the decidedly shitty Remington 115 grain large primer, slow, rainbow trajectory load, we have come a long, long way. We already had the 90-grain SSA plinking load several years ago. It was awesome. No idea why it didn't last. I still find the 85 Barnes MPG to be an excellent "plinking" round. Its just as accurate as the 90 TNT, but easier on my steel targets. The 90 grain TNT didn't last because SSA had some neck tension issues when this bullet was released as a "plinking load." It was a coincidence of misfortunes, because this is a great bullet, very accurate, but also very slick and setback was occurring in a small batch of the rounds. I tested hundreds of them and never saw setback, but I saw pictures from reputable people who did see it. By the time SSA was selling "bulk packs" again, the panic had set in. These other light bullets really underwhelm me in light of the fact that we already had the 85 TSX and the 90 TNT(?). The Raptor is, admittedly, an extreme performance experimental design, not for the all-purpose shooter. I'm testing them because I like the idea of expanding design into different mechanisms of function. Again, admittedly, they are not going to be for everyone. I think they are hideously expensive but not that much better than the 95 TTSX. Speaking of which, its pretty hard to beat that bullet, and yes that bullet was specifically designed to add to the already good performance of the 85 TSX. I asked Barnes to make the 95 to have 1) higher BC, 2) lower LOVT and 3) longer range functional performance. All of which they did. Again, we stepped way ahead with that bullet and its going to be hard for anything else to bet it for hunting performance. Give me a 105- to 115-grain cup-and-core bullet with a BC of over .400 that can be loaded to mag length (Like the hornady SST, but a bit lighter and sleeker) and I'd be happy. GS custom made exactly that bullet, 3 years ago, at the suggestion of Harrison from AR performance. The bullet was 105 grains, BC of .410 and it was a bitch to get loaded into an accurate node. It was also around $.79 per bullet, but its probably still available now that GS is based in the US. I still went back to the 95 TTSX, after trying it. Oh, and it needs to be no more than $30/100 for the component bullets. Screw this $1/projectile nonsense. Accubonds are as high as I'll go on bullets. More than that and I might as well shoot another caliber. Well, I have to agree that $1 per bullet is too high. However, when I found the 6 blade Raptor was killing deer, with lung shots, right where they stood, I loaded up about 100 of them and figure that's at least 90-100 one-shot kills (with lung shots), that we won't have to track. Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
HTR, I am talking with someone , well two someone's. One here with a ULD design, and another on a different thing altogether, a cheap plinking bullet. The ULD design is Fat McNasty here. I was looking at what he had for the .30cal round, and just thought, Hmm, perhaps he can come up with something for the 6.8 that will be really good for LR stuff. Pricey, but something to extend the range in a medium-heavy weight ( 105-125gr ) for use in target shooting. The company with the plinking bullet will be getting back to me this week hopefully. I do want your input on both as far as total oal for the projectile for the weight. If I get anything going, and you have time, I would like to have you test some , along with some of the other guys that can give honest feedback with experience. The company for the plinking bullet is one of the companies that sell plated bullets. They have some rifle , .223 and .308, projos in that design and it's cheap and it works. All of the bullet development I've seen so far leaves me.....meh. I'm not sure what period of time you're looking at, but when you consider that, at the start of all this, we had the decidedly shitty Remington 115 grain large primer, slow, rainbow trajectory load, we have come a long, long way. We already had the 90-grain SSA plinking load several years ago. It was awesome. No idea why it didn't last. I still find the 85 Barnes MPG to be an excellent "plinking" round. Its just as accurate as the 90 TNT, but easier on my steel targets. The 90 grain TNT didn't last because SSA had some neck tension issues when this bullet was released as a "plinking load." It was a coincidence of misfortunes, because this is a great bullet, very accurate, but also very slick and setback was occurring in a small batch of the rounds. I tested hundreds of them and never saw setback, but I saw pictures from reputable people who did see it. By the time SSA was selling "bulk packs" again, the panic had set in. These other light bullets really underwhelm me in light of the fact that we already had the 85 TSX and the 90 TNT(?). The Raptor is, admittedly, an extreme performance experimental design, not for the all-purpose shooter. I'm testing them because I like the idea of expanding design into different mechanisms of function. Again, admittedly, they are not going to be for everyone. I think they are hideously expensive but not that much better than the 95 TTSX. Speaking of which, its pretty hard to beat that bullet, and yes that bullet was specifically designed to add to the already good performance of the 85 TSX. I asked Barnes to make the 95 to have 1) higher BC, 2) lower LOVT and 3) longer range functional performance. All of which they did. Again, we stepped way ahead with that bullet and its going to be hard for anything else to bet it for hunting performance. Give me a 105- to 115-grain cup-and-core bullet with a BC of over .400 that can be loaded to mag length (Like the hornady SST, but a bit lighter and sleeker) and I'd be happy. GS custom made exactly that bullet, 3 years ago, at the suggestion of Harrison from AR performance. The bullet was 105 grains, BC of .410 and it was a bitch to get loaded into an accurate node. It was also around $.79 per bullet, but its probably still available now that GS is based in the US. I still went back to the 95 TTSX, after trying it. Oh, and it needs to be no more than $30/100 for the component bullets. Screw this $1/projectile nonsense. Accubonds are as high as I'll go on bullets. More than that and I might as well shoot another caliber. Well, I have to agree that $1 per bullet is too high. However, when I found the 6 blade Raptor was killing deer, with lung shots, right where they stood, I loaded up about 100 of them and figure that's at least 90-100 one-shot kills (with lung shots), that we won't have to track. Both agree and disagree with this, as above |
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Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
HTR, I am talking with someone , well two someone's. One here with a ULD design, and another on a different thing altogether, a cheap plinking bullet. The ULD design is Fat McNasty here. I was looking at what he had for the .30cal round, and just thought, Hmm, perhaps he can come up with something for the 6.8 that will be really good for LR stuff. Pricey, but something to extend the range in a medium-heavy weight ( 105-125gr ) for use in target shooting. The company with the plinking bullet will be getting back to me this week hopefully. I do want your input on both as far as total oal for the projectile for the weight. If I get anything going, and you have time, I would like to have you test some , along with some of the other guys that can give honest feedback with experience. The company for the plinking bullet is one of the companies that sell plated bullets. They have some rifle , .223 and .308, projos in that design and it's cheap and it works. I agree with ARowneragain, that for this design to be successful, it has to be affordable. It should be 105-110 grains, with a BC of at least .400 and OAL not more than 1.1". I would be happy to test some. We can shoot out to 800 yards on my range. |
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I took the 6.8 out yesterday afternoon. When I got ready to shoot I had 2 does at 60-80 yards and one at ~210.
I shot the first one, she dropped with a quartering high shoulder/lung shot (60 yards). I turned to the second one (210 yards in a different direction) and dropped her with a quartering shoulder/heart shot. The first group (the doe's fawns and another smaller doe) had settled down and went back to feeding after spooking for a moment; the other doe was ~100 yards and to hit her heart I actually had to shoot her just in front of her shoulder; I removed the top of the heart but she ran ~70 yards; she died 20 feet before she went off into a deep creek, thankfully. Those were all shot with the 110 NAB/29.0 N133 load I mentioned earlier. I really like this load; I REALLY like shooting deer with my 'little laser beam' that lets me watch through the scope when distant deer drop in their tracks with well-placed hits. |
...But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay...All my familiars watched for my halting...But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one...
Jeremiah 20 9-11
Jeremiah 20 9-11
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I took the 6.8 out yesterday afternoon. When I got ready to shoot I had 2 does at 60-80 yards and one at ~210. I shot the first one, she dropped with a quartering high shoulder/lung shot (60 yards). I turned to the second one (210 yards in a different direction) and dropped her with a quartering shoulder/heart shot. The first group (the doe's fawns and another smaller doe) had settled down and went back to feeding after spooking for a moment; the other doe was ~100 yards and to hit her heart I actually had to shoot her just in front of her shoulder; I removed the top of the heart but she ran ~70 yards; she died 20 feet before she went off into a deep creek, thankfully. Those were all shot with the 110 NAB/29.0 N133 load I mentioned earlier. I really like this load; I REALLY like shooting deer with my 'little laser beam' that lets me watch through the scope when distant deer drop in their tracks with well-placed hits. I've always said that the 6.8 (especially using that excellent load) kills beyond its expectations / size. We have 12 deer in the bag at WRR already and none of them was difficult to track. At least 5 dropped where they stood, and that was with lung shots. 82 CEB 85 TSX 90 Gold Dot 95 TTSX 100AB 110 AB 120 SST All kill deer with excellent efficiency. As we move toward the newest improvement, the increased OAL of the SIX8, and other designs which will allow for longer, higher BC bullets, and faster velocities, we will see the 6.8 improve, in terms of performance, even more. |
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"THE STATE OF THE 6.8" ... JULY, 2009 (Page 8 of 8)
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