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10/29/2025 5:52:52 PM EDT
Question: Would carbine gas function reliably in a super-only 14.5" or 16" dedicated upper?
11/4/2025 10:03:37 AM EDT
[#1]
I’ve wondered the same thing.  All the barrels I’ve been seeing are pistol gas length.
11/4/2025 12:56:49 PM EDT
[#2]
There isn’t much case volume after a long bullet is inserted into a 338 ARC brass.   I shoot 6.5 Grendel and long bullets sit deeper into the case intruding on the volume of available powder space.   Depending on the bullet of choice like a short 85 grain Sierra Varmint you’re getting a compressed max load of Accurate 2520 of 33.9 grains.  Same bullet with Tac powder max charge is 32.2 grains compressed.   A 95 grain V-Max 6.5 Grendel load with A2520 max charge 32.5 grains compressed.   A max charge of A2520 in the 6.5 Grendel with 123 grain SMK is 29.6 compressed.

The Hodgon load data for a 160 grain Barnes TTSX-FB max load is 26.8 grains compressed with fast powder CFE BLK a Supersonic 338 ARC.   I’d be afraid with a mid-length gas barrel you couldn’t get enough gas for a subsonic to be reliable.   The main purpose of the 338 ARC is subsonic.  There are better supersonic cartridges IMHO.

Hodgdon list a max load of A2200 with a 300 grain HPBT subsonic of 15.2 grains at 35,800 PSI.   The supersonic loads are 46,000 to 51,000 PSI.    That is a big variation in pressure with powders that can be temperature sensitive.  

I’m skeptical about 338 ARC in a midlength gas being reliable in varying temperatures especially cold temperatures.    You might configure a supersonic midlength to be reliable but will it be reliable with subsonic without significant changes to buffer or gas setting.   I bet Hornady has the test data and might be worth asking them.
2/10/2026 2:52:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Between the small case volume , the large bore area , and the somewhat lower pressure of 50ksi , the pistol gas length makes sense. But for a dedicated super a carbine length might be workable with a big enough port ?.

2/10/2026 5:29:10 PM EDT
[#4]
If supers only, why not 300 Ham'r or 350 Legend or another big bore?
2/10/2026 5:56:47 PM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By panthermark:
If supers only, why not 300 Ham'r or 350 Legend or another big bore?
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Or 8.6 black with a lot more case volume.
2/10/2026 6:52:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9D1Alpha][Edited] [#6]
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Originally Posted By panthermark:
If supers only, why not 300 Ham'r or 350 Legend or another big bore?
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Neck a 400 legend down for 350 legend bullets .

Kind of the 375socom to the 458socom .

9x42

* plus the 9mm A2 fh would fit

Closer to 35 remington ?

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