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Posted: 3/16/2026 9:06:04 PM EDT
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Just found these on there web site... https://rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15c3/ |
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Originally Posted By M4-Shooter: lol. i wish i was getting something free for posting this.. don't shoot the messenger dude  Don't worry about it. He did the same thing to me. Anytime someone even mentions RB he accuses them of shilling for them. The guy needs help. |
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i was on their website looking at the new 2 stage ar15 trigger and just noticed they simplified the design and no longer have the rear safety sear style lever but instead seem to have integrated it into the main body working off of the rear trigger pin sleeve or something. the shape and design of the box looks totally different. |
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Originally Posted By AK47_COMMBLOC: what! ??? they now have an hk mp5 drop in trigger pack listed... FRT-RD3™ (SEF) Two-Stage (3-Position) Forced Reset Trigger for the HK MP5, MP5K, SP5 & SP5K sold out. wow. thats going to be a hot seller im guessing. They have been out for about a month. Some hit the website yesterday around 4:30. They are usually gone in 5 minutes. |
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Yep and the longer AS designs and Partisan take to get the HK jobs out, the more RB will sell. Some people are on a clock with bans, and dont have time to fuck around, despite how they feel about RB. Also its funny we ALL know what the first reply to this thread was even though we can't see it LOL. I do wonder if RB pushing stuff to market comes with issues on function and stuff. I havent seen enough of the MP5 pack in action, but the simple advent of not having a slip trip rattling around in there is enough to make all the ones with a slip trip obsolete, if it work The two stage is very interesting, a way to compete with ASD with a G$ |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Yep and the longer AS designs and Partisan take to get the HK jobs out, the more RB will sell. I suspect that Rare Breed rushed this trigger to market in hopes it would show the courts their design was first? RB always seems to have some kind of angle in what they do (good or bad). |
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Originally Posted By AK47_COMMBLOC: what! ??? they now have an hk mp5 drop in trigger pack listed... FRT-RD3™ (SEF) Two-Stage (3-Position) Forced Reset Trigger for the HK MP5, MP5K, SP5 & SP5K sold out. wow. thats going to be a hot seller im guessing. Just got my ambi. they do small drops usually around 5:45 - 6 pm est time. Videos are around all over YouTube, I tried personally and it runs. The selector travel is a tab mushy, and overly easy to switch between positions, and on the ambi pack, you can rotate the selector past safe and into the "disassembly" position....some guys on HK pro contacted rare breed and they said they plan to fix that issues in a future version. It takes more force to rotate it past safe then it does between the normal positions, but it's still meh and pretty sloppy they missed that ...could have been solved pretty easily. I do like you can use normal housings though, cause I just can't get over the non HK style housings on mp5s....it triggers my HKOCD |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: They plan to "FIX" because they released it too soon is my bet. Wanted to be frist to market. It’s a 650.00 trigger. Make the thing right I don’t know about too soon but mine flat out RUNS in my POF MP5! |
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Originally Posted By Walker77: I suspect that Rare Breed rushed this trigger to market in hopes it would show the courts their design was first? RB always seems to have some kind of angle in what they do (good or bad). Originally Posted By Walker77: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Yep and the longer AS designs and Partisan take to get the HK jobs out, the more RB will sell. I suspect that Rare Breed rushed this trigger to market in hopes it would show the courts their design was first? RB always seems to have some kind of angle in what they do (good or bad). I don't know, RB has been at this longer than ASD and Partisan. Not sure how much of a rush it is. The others are still playing catch up with even their AR designed frt. My opinion anyhow. I was not aware they came out with a 2 stage AR trigger. Thanks for posting this. . |
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| The ONLY reason I can think of rushing a FRT is I’m surprised the DemonRats haven’t introduced a bill to ban them. They have to be aware of them. |
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My general distaste for Rare Breed aside, I would likely buy one of their 2 stage triggers. It's about the same price as an Arc Fire plus a G$, so it is priced okay. My concern is their return policy and general lack of customer support should it turn out to be janky. There is the additional concern, with their updated privacy policy and new cooperation with the Feds, that they'd be willing or even required to hand over customer data in the future. I don't like the thought of that one bit. It's in consideration, but I'm going to wait a while as I have no desire to be a beta tester. Plus, with the 45 degree throw Arc Fire coming out, I'm probably just getting that next. |
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I'm going to guess the 650 price is figured due to what a lee lower and all the rest of the stuff for a SS cost. I have 600 +/- into my SP5 SS. I was also a very early adopter having to figure it out my self with no real trouble shooting or real world input accept the vids then on Utube just showing them run. I'm still running the V.1 SS with no issues I'd be down with getting a cassette type FRT for a 600 ball park price to replace the lee lower. Just not from RB due to issues already mentioned. |
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Originally Posted By HK94dude: Looks like it might fit Colt guns with a sear block I thought the same thing, but it will be close with the FRT lever thingy might still hit it, but if so might only have to remove a small amount on the lower. I ordered one, I have a colt lower as well, so I'll report back once it arrives. |
| Can this trigger take the D-clip bushings from Datum Machine Works in place of the anti-walk pins? I just can't stand those pins. |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: Can this trigger take the D-clip bushings from Datum Machine Works in place of the anti-walk pins? I just can't stand those pins. Looks like the same size bushings. I don't see why not |
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Originally Posted By HK94dude: Looks like the same size bushings. I don't see why not +/- 1/100” and it’s a no-go. That’s why I asked. |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: Can this trigger take the D-clip bushings from Datum Machine Works in place of the anti-walk pins? I just can't stand those pins. The L3 and the C3 use the same axles (the hollow shaft that the Datum product replaces). |
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| Im sure they make a good trigger, but i will not buy them. Bought two from AS Designs recently. |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: Just got mine in. It does indeed fit colt lowers! The 2 stage is a decent 2 stage, it's no geissele, but it's not bad. I actually just sent out my other colt lower to have the web removed..might call and CXL that now Nice. Thanks for sharing. . |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: Hot damn Originally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Heineken: Just got mine in. It does indeed fit colt lowers! The 2 stage is a decent 2 stage, it's no geissele, but it's not bad. I actually just sent out my other colt lower to have the web removed..might call and CXL that now Seriously. |
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| Guessing I am the odd duck here, but since switching a couple of different frts in lowers, I am digging not having 2 stage triggers. I go back the very first G triggers. "gotta have 2-stage in everything". I find the single stage trigger to be much simpler in my pea brain to shoot, especially in frt mode. |
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Originally Posted By Bearbait1: Guessing I am the odd duck here, but since switching a couple of different frts in lowers, I am digging not having 2 stage triggers. I go back the very first G triggers. "gotta have 2-stage in everything". I find the single stage trigger to be much simpler in my pea brain to shoot, especially in frt mode. I agree with you, I don't mind the single stage on the FRTs I have at all, and won't be swapping any of those to this newer design (even though it does seem like a better design overall, time and testing will tell). However, for my colt lower it's the perfect solution. The FRT on this is still single stage and feels the same as my other FRTs as far as break and pull, which I am pleased with. |
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Originally Posted By Bearbait1: Guessing I am the odd duck here, but since switching a couple of different frts in lowers, I am digging not having 2 stage triggers. I go back the very first G triggers. "gotta have 2-stage in everything". I find the single stage trigger to be much simpler in my pea brain to shoot, especially in frt mode. You are not alone. My foray into 2-stage triggers was LaRue MBT for $99. I have always been of the opinion that the AR is a gun plumber's gun and I never saw the need for me to spend $250-$350 on a Geissele trigger. Right now I am digging the single-stage ALG QMS (also from Geissele) with the 4.5 lb hammer spring. I got that combo for about $45. And further, I am put off by all of the gyrations it takes to make a Geissele two stage work with a SS/FRT. Grind this, grind that (but not too much!) and add this lever blocker to make it work. |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: https://i.ibb.co/qMM49xDX/PXL-20260323-183906768.jpg With this and the modified safety and the pins DMW sells, now I can look correct and FRT The DMW part description says, “Mil-spec style selectors will rotate 360 degrees around if your lower does not have selector stops.” What happens when the lever flips over? Everything still works as normal? |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: https://i.ibb.co/qMM49xDX/PXL-20260323-183906768.jpg With this and the modified safety and the pins DMW sells, now I can look correct and FRT @Heineken When time permits, with the new 2 stage RB, can you please measure how far the tallest portion of the hammer sticks above the lower receiver when selector is in position 3 and trigger is held to rear? That would help me out a lot! |
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I also forgot to mention, it's easier to close the upper with these....you don't have to drop the hammer and push the trigger locking bar forward and hold the trigger, or pull the charging handle slightly, etc. (there are a few ways to do it)..but with these new 2 stages, the trigger locking bar does NOT have a spring, so it's easy to make sure it's not it the way of the carrier when you drop on the upper...if it is in the way, simply move it forward a little out of the way, no spring pushes it back in the way. Hope that makes sense... Question about the DMW selector rotating, up untill this point, it stays on FRT:  everything past that is SAFE all the way to SAFE. Luckily the colt lower this is going in does have the stops, so it's not a big deal, but in a lower without stops, it would bother me and I would prob use the selector that comes with it vs the aftermarket Question about highest point of hammer when 3rd position and trigger held back...if you mean with the hammer reset I am getting 10mm. Measurement does not if trigger is held back or not. If you mean highest point with hammer dropped, I am getting 22.40mm, again I don't see it change at all regardless of if trigger held down or not. I was curious so I pulled out my regular single stage rare breed, and the hammer does indeed change heights on 3rd position when it is set and trigger is held back vs not; but the new design it does not do this. |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: I also forgot to mention, it's easier to close the upper with these....you don't have to drop the hammer and push the trigger locking bar forward and hold the trigger, or pull the charging handle slightly, etc. (there are a few ways to do it)..but with these new 2 stages, the trigger locking bar does NOT have a spring, so it's easy to make sure it's not it the way of the carrier when you drop on the upper...if it is in the way, simply move it forward a little out of the way, no spring pushes it back in the way. Hope that makes sense... Question about the DMW selector rotating, up untill this point, it stays on FRT: https://i.ibb.co/67FzLV07/PXL-20260325-152639002.jpg everything past that is SAFE all the way to SAFE. Luckily the colt lower this is going in does have the stops, so it's not a big deal, but in a lower without stops, it would bother me and I would prob use the selector that comes with it vs the aftermarket Question about highest point of hammer when 3rd position and trigger held back...if you mean with the hammer reset I am getting 10mm. Measurement does not if trigger is held back or not. If you mean highest point with hammer dropped, I am getting 22.40mm, again I don't see it change at all regardless of if trigger held down or not. I was curious so I pulled out my regular single stage rare breed, and the hammer does indeed change heights on 3rd position when it is set and trigger is held back vs not; but the new design it does not do this. THANK YOU for taking the time to do that!! |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: Question about the DMW selector rotating, up untill this point, it stays on FRT: https://i.ibb.co/67FzLV07/PXL-20260325-152639002.jpg everything past that is SAFE all the way to SAFE. Luckily the colt lower this is going in does have the stops, so it's not a big deal, but in a lower without stops, it would bother me and I would prob use the selector that comes with it vs the aftermarket Thank you very much for the thorough response and especially the picture! I've been trying to understand the FRT/SS space for the past few weeks and hav been overwhelmed by the many nuances of available options. I've already made some regretful purchases. It seems like there isn't a one-size-fits-all answer but different compromises. RB C3 can have selector and pins replaced to look mil-spec except the external trigger shoe. AZR has the full mil-spec look and feel, but doesn't fit Colt sear-blocked lowers. ARC has proprietary selector levers and doesn't fit Colt sear-blocked lowers or high-shelf lowers. It seems like the RB C3 is the easy answer for Colt lowers. And then a totally different question with AR-adjacent stuff like SIG MPX/MCX, AR9s, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: I also forgot to mention, it's easier to close the upper with these....you don't have to drop the hammer and push the trigger locking bar forward and hold the trigger, or pull the charging handle slightly, etc. (there are a few ways to do it)..but with these new 2 stages, the trigger locking bar does NOT have a spring, so it's easy to make sure it's not it the way of the carrier when you drop on the upper...if it is in the way, simply move it forward a little out of the way, no spring pushes it back in the way. Hope that makes sense... That's awesome that it works on Colts without having to mill out the sear web! Question: does the trigger still bump your finger forward during cycling on standard semi like the other cassette based FRTs? |
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Originally Posted By TLIBurn: That's awesome that it works on Colts without having to mill out the sear web! Question: does the trigger still bump your finger forward during cycling on standard semi like the other cassette based FRTs? Edited to reflect new understanding of the context. I missed "on standard semi." |
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Originally Posted By dredeagle: This is the definition of forced reset. If the reset does not "bump" your finger (via the trigger) forward, you are operating a machine gun. This is key to demonstrating a trigger pull for every round fired. Originally Posted By dredeagle: Originally Posted By TLIBurn: That's awesome that it works on Colts without having to mill out the sear web! Question: does the trigger still bump your finger forward during cycling on standard semi like the other cassette based FRTs? This is the definition of forced reset. If the reset does not "bump" your finger (via the trigger) forward, you are operating a machine gun. This is key to demonstrating a trigger pull for every round fired. The lever type FRTs (Hoffman, Cornfire, Atrius, ARC-Fire) do not bump your finger when firing in semi auto mode. They only bump it in FRT mode. |
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Originally Posted By Heineken: I also forgot to mention, it's easier to close the upper with these....you don't have to drop the hammer and push the trigger locking bar forward and hold the trigger, or pull the charging handle slightly, etc. (there are a few ways to do it)..but with these new 2 stages, the trigger locking bar does NOT have a spring, so it's easy to make sure it's not it the way of the carrier when you drop on the upper...if it is in the way, simply move it forward a little out of the way, no spring pushes it back in the way. Hope that makes sense... Question about the DMW selector rotating, up untill this point, it stays on FRT: https://i.ibb.co/67FzLV07/PXL-20260325-152639002.jpg everything past that is SAFE all the way to SAFE. Luckily the colt lower this is going in does have the stops, so it's not a big deal, but in a lower without stops, it would bother me and I would prob use the selector that comes with it vs the aftermarket Question about highest point of hammer when 3rd position and trigger held back...if you mean with the hammer reset I am getting 10mm. Measurement does not if trigger is held back or not. If you mean highest point with hammer dropped, I am getting 22.40mm, again I don't see it change at all regardless of if trigger held down or not. I was curious so I pulled out my regular single stage rare breed, and the hammer does indeed change heights on 3rd position when it is set and trigger is held back vs not; but the new design it does not do this. I wonder if the lack of a spring on the trigger locking bar would make the two stage version easier to get running w/ a CMMG conversion and Bore Buddy trip. I'm all out of time for extra gun projects, but I am tempted. That said, in the land where the ARC/mil-ish selector/SSAE exists for around the same total price, it's hard to justify buying one. |
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