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Posted: 2/3/2016 6:27:36 PM EDT
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Interesting results from a barrier round. I always tought true barrier ammunition was bonded, but I guess not.
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Originally Posted By Molon:
For Inquiring Minds https://app.box.com/shared/static/lh2jpl3iw29jn3zfca39g7o3dxgwr636.jpg https://app.box.com/shared/static/gct296wjzbqnv5i8zew68awqpet43h4j.jpg .... AR15 Mag length A-MAX ?...... Better question is, does Hornady still produce them ? Sorry..... that bullet is worth a whole different thread. |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
AR15 Mag length A-MAX ?...... Affirmative. Better question is, does Hornady still produce them ? Unknown. Apparently..... I live under a rock. Completely unaware of that specific bullet. Wait.... why is this not a Hornady Factory load ? Judging by the box shown... the product # is earlier the 75gr BTHP, the 75gr A-Max, and the 80gr A-Max.... ( Not that I know that means anything. ) |
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
Apparently..... I live under a rock. Completely unaware of that specific bullet. Wait.... why is this not a Hornady Factory load ? Excellent question. I think if Hornady could bring loaded ammunition with the 73 grain A-MAX to the market at a price-point that was less than what the loaded 77 grain TMK ammunition is going for, it would be competitive. .. |
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Originally Posted By Buffman_LT1:
Interesting. I chrono'd the .223 load at almost 300 fps slower : ( I chronographed the Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load from the same 20" Collt barrel used to chronograph the Hornady 5.56mm 62 grain TAP Barrier load that was evaluated for this thread. The Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load had a muzzle velocity of 2931 FPS with a standard deviation of 14 FPS. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon: I chronographed the Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load from the same 20" Collt barrel used to chronograph the Hornady 5.56mm 62 grain TAP Barrier load that was evaluated for this thread. The Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load had a muzzle velocity of 2931 FPS with a standard deviation of 14 FPS. ... Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Interesting. I chrono'd the .223 load at almost 300 fps slower : ( I chronographed the Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load from the same 20" Collt barrel used to chronograph the Hornady 5.56mm 62 grain TAP Barrier load that was evaluated for this thread. The Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load had a muzzle velocity of 2931 FPS with a standard deviation of 14 FPS. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Excellent question. I think if Hornady could bring loaded ammunition with the 73 grain A-MAX to the market at a price-point that was less than what the loaded 77 grain TMK ammunition is going for, it would be competitive. .. Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
Apparently..... I live under a rock. Completely unaware of that specific bullet. Wait.... why is this not a Hornady Factory load ? Excellent question. I think if Hornady could bring loaded ammunition with the 73 grain A-MAX to the market at a price-point that was less than what the loaded 77 grain TMK ammunition is going for, it would be competitive. .. since you brought it up, why would the 73gr amax be a better contender to the SMK TMK than the current TAP line with 75gr? those are pretty thin jackets all ready arent they? |
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Originally Posted By mr_h:
since you brought it up, why would the 73gr amax be a better contender to the SMK TMK than the current TAP line with 75gr? those are pretty thin jackets all ready arent they? Originally Posted By mr_h:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
Apparently..... I live under a rock. Completely unaware of that specific bullet. Wait.... why is this not a Hornady Factory load ? Excellent question. I think if Hornady could bring loaded ammunition with the 73 grain A-MAX to the market at a price-point that was less than what the loaded 77 grain TMK ammunition is going for, it would be competitive. .. since you brought it up, why would the 73gr amax be a better contender to the SMK TMK than the current TAP line with 75gr? those are pretty thin jackets all ready arent they? Good question.... given that the 75gr BTHP is mag length......The 73gr Amax shown, is reloadable to "mag-Length" use... the current 75GR Amax is not. I wonder what the BC on the 73gr shown would be. |
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Tried to look that up, but I couldn't find the bullet on Hornady's website.
Found this on SnipersHide. Says they were a special run, sold only at Midsouth Shooters Supply, and that was a few years ago. |
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
Tried to look that up, but I couldn't find the bullet on Hornady's website. That's 'cause you don't have the secret password.
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Originally Posted By Buffman_LT1:
^^ Same day as your 5.56 test? You've got about 30°F on me. Originally Posted By Buffman_LT1:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Buffman_LT1:
Interesting. I chrono'd the .223 load at almost 300 fps slower : ( I chronographed the Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load from the same 20" Collt barrel used to chronograph the Hornady 5.56mm 62 grain TAP Barrier load that was evaluated for this thread. The Hornady 223 Remington 62 grain TAP Barrier load had a muzzle velocity of 2931 FPS with a standard deviation of 14 FPS. ... ^^ Same day as your 5.56 test? You've got about 30°F on me. Not the same day, but I conduct all my chronographing for factory ammunition reviews at ambient temperatures of 70 - 80 degrees F. |
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Originally Posted By snakeman48:
I always tought true barrier ammunition was bonded, but I guess not. Hornady went with a thicker jacket for this projectile. I would have liked to seen a bonded projectile, too. .. |
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
I wonder what the BC on the 73gr shown would be. I asked one of the Hornady techs that question. He found the drawing for it, but it didn't include the BC. ... |
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| Thank you again. It looks to me as if there isn't much difference in the probable effectiveness between the 5.56 and the 223 with the 62 grain bullet. I went ahead and got 4 boxes of the 5.56 fro Streichers but I don't see it listed now. I already had 4 boxes of the 223 and don't intend to mix them. |
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Originally Posted By threefeathers:
Thank you again. It looks to me as if there isn't much difference in the probable effectiveness between the 5.56 and the 223 with the 62 grain bullet. I went ahead and got 4 boxes of the 5.56 fro Streichers but I don't see it listed now. I already had 4 boxes of the 223 and don't intend to mix them. Keep in mind that these loads have shown short penetration depth in gel after passing through auto safety glass. ... |
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
Tried to look that up, but I couldn't find the bullet on Hornady's website. It's not uncommon for Hornady to produce special runs of projectiles that don't show up in their catalogs or on their websites. For example, I've not seen their 62 grain FMJ or 62 grain BTHP in a catalog or on their website as well as the aforementioned 73 grain A-MAX. .... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
It's not uncommon for Hornady to produce special runs of projectiles that don't show up in their catalogs or on their websites. For example, I've not seen their 62 grain FMJ or 62 grain BTHP in a catalog or on their website as well as the aforementioned 73 grain A-MAX. .... Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Tried to look that up, but I couldn't find the bullet on Hornady's website. It's not uncommon for Hornady to produce special runs of projectiles that don't show up in their catalogs or on their websites. For example, I've not seen their 62 grain FMJ or 62 grain BTHP in a catalog or on their website as well as the aforementioned 73 grain A-MAX. .... FWIW...... MidSouth Shooters Supply's web page shows a BC .280 for the Horn. 62gr BTHP. https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/001532276c250/22-caliber-point224-diameter-62-grain-bthp-with-cannelure-250-count |
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