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Ordered 10 each of the "new" Brownell magazines and took them to the range to function check them. Loaded each magazine with 3 rounds only (lack of additional ammo). On a closed bolt, I inserted the magazine ensuring that the magazine was locked into place, charged the rifle using the Charging Handle, took aim and....click.... Carefully pulled back on the CH and found that the chamber was empty. Apparently the bolt had not picked up the round in the magazine. IF...and that's a big if.... I remember correctly the nose of that round was some what pushed down into the magazine. Note: The black followers in these magazines can "tilt". Of the 10 magazines I think 3 of them had this issue. My question is should/can this happen when inserting magazines into an AR with the bolt closed? |
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No offense intended, but these were tried in a known to GTG AR ? No chance of a gassing issue ? I would suggest you depress the follower up and down a few dozen times ( via a 1gal paint stir stick ) just to make sure any internal burs aren't present. Also... make sure the spring is oriented properly on the follower. And pics of the spring and follower ? |
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IMO if you don’t disassemble each and every mag you own to verify the inside is smooth, CLEAN and unobstructed (plastic flash.. kinked spring, aluminum weld or whatever) you get what you get. Open them up, wipe them out and wipe the springs down and VERIFY the thing runs smooth. |
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Thanks Fellows. Looks like I'll have to check the internals of these BRAND NEW magazines. The rifle is one I use in NRA/CMP High Power matches. It's GTG. I've got MagPul 20 round mags (abt 3 months old) that have NOT given me any issues with this gun. I got these because of the issues I was having with the "older" Brownell mags that were trouble free for many,many years. FYI. For the type of "shooting events" I participate in, we fire 2each, TIMED, 10 round rapid fire stages, One at 200 yards (sitting) and one at 300 yards (prone). We are required to do a mag change during these timed stages. We can load the magazines 2&8 OR 5&5. I usually do 2&8. We start in position, rifle WITHOUT a magazine inserted, chamber empty, bolt (usually) OPEN. THUS, its important to have functioning magazines. |
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“Thanks Fellows. Looks like I'll have to check the internals of these BRAND NEW magazines” What’s your point? So what if new, YOU the owner and shooter should verify function or you get what you got. Ever took your rifle apart and cleaned it or checked its parts? If yes then why the utter surprise at the idea of inspecting mags? If no, you never took your rifle apart, then drive on and you do you. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: "Thanks Fellows. Looks like I'll have to check the internals of these BRAND NEW magazines" What's your point? So what if new, YOU the owner and shooter should verify function or you get what you got. Ever took your rifle apart and cleaned it or checked its parts? If yes then why the utter surprise at the idea of inspecting mags? If no, you never took your rifle apart, then drive on and you do you. Yes, function checks are a good thing, but that's to capture the rare oddity in a quality product - not to find which 30% have problems. |
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Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: I might have missed something, but I'd have sworn OP didn't buy kits that needed to be cleaned, deburred, assembled and tested. Yes, function checks are a good thing, but that's to capture the rare oddity in a quality product - not to find which 30% have problems. And yet he is having 30% problems and does not know why, while the notion of opening them up to see if something is causing a bind or hang up seems alien to everyone. “THE” single most important item needed for proper function of your weapon and it appears I am the only person who opens them up to inspect what I expect. Friggin wild. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: And yet he is having 30% problems and does not know why, while the notion of opening them up to see if something is causing a bind or hang up seems alien to everyone. “THE” single most important item needed for proper function of your weapon and it appears I am the only person who opens them up to inspect what I expect. Friggin wild. Steps to place a new rifle in service; 1. Take rifle apart 2. Inspect and clean 3. Reassemble 4. Field test Steps to put new mag into service, see above. I guess I thought this was what everyone did.... |
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Originally Posted By cubsfanbudman: Steps to place a new rifle in service; 1. Take rifle apart 2. Inspect and clean 3. Reassemble 4. Field test Steps to put new mag into service, see above. I guess I thought this was what everyone did.... Originally Posted By cubsfanbudman: Originally Posted By scottrh2: And yet he is having 30% problems and does not know why, while the notion of opening them up to see if something is causing a bind or hang up seems alien to everyone. “THE” single most important item needed for proper function of your weapon and it appears I am the only person who opens them up to inspect what I expect. Friggin wild. Steps to place a new rifle in service; 1. Take rifle apart 2. Inspect and clean 3. Reassemble 4. Field test Steps to put new mag into service, see above. I guess I thought this was what everyone did.... 
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: "Thanks Fellows. Looks like I'll have to check the internals of these BRAND NEW magazines" What's your point? So what if new, YOU the owner and shooter should verify function or you get what you got. Ever took your rifle apart and cleaned it or checked its parts? If yes then why the utter surprise at the idea of inspecting mags? If no, you never took your rifle apart, then drive on and you do you. Thanks for the helpful......suggestions. I suppose you learned to do a teardown/inpection/reassembly of the hundreds of NEW magazines you used while serving in the USA or USMC. |
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Originally Posted By Copter: I might have missed something, but I'd have sworn OP didn't buy kits that needed to be cleaned, deburred, assembled and tested. Thanks for the helpful......suggestions. I suppose you learned to do a teardown/inpection/reassembly of the hundreds of NEW magazines you used while serving in the USA or USMC. Originally Posted By Copter: Originally Posted By scottrh2: "Thanks Fellows. Looks like I'll have to check the internals of these BRAND NEW magazines" What's your point? So what if new, YOU the owner and shooter should verify function or you get what you got. Ever took your rifle apart and cleaned it or checked its parts? If yes then why the utter surprise at the idea of inspecting mags? If no, you never took your rifle apart, then drive on and you do you. Thanks for the helpful......suggestions. I suppose you learned to do a teardown/inpection/reassembly of the hundreds of NEW magazines you used while serving in the USA or USMC. Sure did. Magazine disassembly is not a new thing there; however it seems completely alien to you. New or used weapons and magazines should be inspected for flaws but you dismiss suggestions and best practices yet have three mags down…I don’t. BLUF (bottom line up front) YOU are the one with the magazine problems, not me. I really don’t care if you fix your problem or flounder like you are doing now. You do you. 
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Originally Posted By Copter: Wormraper.....Thank you. So others are having...issues with these NEW Brownell magazines Yeah, people are reporting between 60-90% of the mags purchased are being sent back due to having tons of FTF problems. Reddit has a whol thread on just the problems with these mags (all seemingly reported as being sold in the last year) |
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Hey folks! I just was on a call with our Gun Tech team and asked what sort of issues they were having with these mags. The only thing that has come their way is that some customers were disappointed at the lack of the anti-tilt follower. Nothing in regards to malfunctions, at least with anyone on the call. We don't manufacture these in house, but they're made by a very well respected manufacturer with the dry film added to our spec. Not sure if I can state who with our agreement, but if you guess, you'll probably get it right. I personally have a few and haven't noticed anything different in terms of function in 6 different rifles (most of which were pretty dirty) with several types of 5.56 and 223 pressure ammo with and without a suppressor, but if the issues persist, remember our Guaranteed Forever policy. I'm not going to tell you to trouble shoot or waste ammo and range time trying to make them work. Please reach out to customer service and we'll take care of you. If you want to try them again, please update this post to let us know how it goes. Best, Ben |
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Originally Posted By Copter: Um.... Sounds as if ALOT of other "magazine consumers" need to LEARN about proper post purchase "inspections" of their NEW magazines BEFORE those magazines are placed into service. So far with the mfg having replied and over 640 views to this post YOU are the only one having the problems. Flounder more. “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” |
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Originally Posted By wormraper: Yeah, people are reporting between 60-90% of the mags purchased are being sent back due to having tons of FTF problems. Reddit has a whol thread on just the problems with these mags (all seemingly reported as being sold in the last year) Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. |
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Originally Posted By Steve_M: Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. I'll see if I can dig up the big one. it was from about 3 or 4 months ago so I'll have to dig back in my histoyr. here's one from a couple days ago https://new.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/1gvvda2/magazine_brownells_ar15_straight_magazine/ |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: So far with the mfg having replied and over 640 views to this post YOU are the only one having the problems. Flounder more. “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” Hey Partner... Read some of the reddit posts. Apparently other "magazine customers" are having issues with Brownells NEW magazines...... Anyways.... thanks for your "helpful insight". |
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Originally Posted By Copter: Hey Partner... Read some of the reddit posts. Apparently other "magazine customers" are having issues with Brownells NEW magazines...... Anyways.... thanks for your "helpful insight". Not a problem JimBob. Enjoy being helpless. |
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Just the 20 round mags giving trouble ? . OP: Have you disassembled any of the magazines, and found a visible reason for failure to feed, ie defective follower or magazine spring installed BACKWARD, or.....? . Are you having good service from OTHER magazines ? |
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Originally Posted By wormraper: I'll see if I can dig up the big one. it was from about 3 or 4 months ago so I'll have to dig back in my histoyr. here's one from a couple days ago https://new.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/1gvvda2/magazine_brownells_ar15_straight_magazine/ Well, that answered my question. Thanks for the links everyone. |
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Originally Posted By Steve_M: Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. Same, there are actually very few comments in the Reddit threads specific to issues, most comments are noise. |
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Originally Posted By Copter: I might have missed something, but I'd have sworn OP didn't buy kits that needed to be cleaned, deburred, assembled and tested. Thanks for the helpful......suggestions. I suppose you learned to do a teardown/inpection/reassembly of the hundreds of NEW magazines you used while serving in the USA or USMC. Actullay in boot camp we were issued two or three magazines for the range. We did tear them down prior to use, inspect,clean, reassemble the magazine ensuring the spring was in correctly. I carried that training on. I can not recall which new magazines that I got that had some flash inside. Not AR but iirc Glock 43x. New rifle mags I take a ruler or similar sized wood scrap and press on the follower and work it up and down a good twenty times to check and burnish the parts together. Obviously it’s worth the work to inspect the inside of the magazines since there is a problem. Maybe you can identify the issue and rectify it. |
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Originally Posted By Copter: Ordered 10 each of the "new" Brownell magazines and took them to the range to function check them. Loaded each magazine with 3 rounds only (lack of additional ammo). On a closed bolt, I inserted the magazine ensuring that the magazine was locked into place, charged the rifle using the Charging Handle, took aim and....click.... Carefully pulled back on the CH and found that the chamber was empty. Apparently the bolt had not picked up the round in the magazine. IF...and that's a big if.... I remember correctly the nose of that round was some what pushed down into the magazine. Note: The black followers in these magazines can "tilt". Of the 10 magazines I think 3 of them had this issue. My question is should/can this happen when inserting magazines into an AR with the bolt closed? Nose down ass up is a great way to stuff the bullet in the case and ruin the round. Pretty odd that it is nose down and missed by the bolt. I would take a ruler like I mentioned and work the follower up and down after a quick disassembly and reassembly to ensure the spring is correct and no plastic flash on the follower is causing issues. Then if you have dummy rounds use them. Ensure the cartridge on top is level/ bearing correctly on the feed lips. Then insert in to the rifle with the bolt locked open. Controlling the bolt and easing it forward check the contact between the bolt face and the cartridge base. It shouldn’t be a sketchy engagement. You can compare your old mags in the gun and how the top round looks to a new mag. If the new mag is holding the cartridge lower and is against the feedlips then there is a defect. Lips? Mag catch hole at incorrect height. An eighth of an inch difference would screw up reliability. I always tapped my AR mags against my helmet to slide the rounds to the rear of the mag. Probably not needed but it made me feel good. After the first round is chambered the next round is likely dragged by round to round friction forward anyhow. |
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Originally Posted By Steve_M: Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. Originally Posted By Steve_M: Originally Posted By wormraper: Yeah, people are reporting between 60-90% of the mags purchased are being sent back due to having tons of FTF problems. Reddit has a whol thread on just the problems with these mags (all seemingly reported as being sold in the last year) Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. |
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Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum: I've been with the company a year. The new 20's started shipping maybe around July. Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum: Originally Posted By Steve_M: Originally Posted By wormraper: Yeah, people are reporting between 60-90% of the mags purchased are being sent back due to having tons of FTF problems. Reddit has a whol thread on just the problems with these mags (all seemingly reported as being sold in the last year) Can you post a link to the Reddit posts? I've searched there using "Brownells 20 rnd magazine problems" and several different versions of those words. All that came up were threads from several years ago. Nothing recent. edit to add, I not sure how long Brown has been selling this style, not spot welded, but ASSUMED they are of recent mfg. https://new.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/1gvvda2/magazine_brownells_ar15_straight_magazine/ I'm not so sure about this link. Yesterday every date and reply were marked 2 days old, today marked 3 days old. To me that seems impossible to say the least. Looks like a BOT put that list up a few days ago with no reference to age. |
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Originally Posted By Steve_M: https://new.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/1gvvda2/magazine_brownells_ar15_straight_magazine/ I'm not so sure about this link. Yesterday every date and reply were marked 2 days old, today marked 3 days old. To me that seems impossible to say the least. Looks like a BOT put that list up a few days ago. yeaaaaaaaah. cuz it was posted 3 days ago. it was in r/gundeals and was an ad posting about their sale price. the replies were the ones talking about their experiences |
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I have been buying used and new mags from whom ever since back in the early to middle 70's, new and used and all manufactures up till the last few years. Now I'm picky about brands so my purchases are for the mags I have tested and work in all my rifles. All these years and the many Mags I have in my larder (many) have all been disassembled, wiped out, spring wiped with a CorrosionX damp patch, metal mag body's get a wipe down and very light wipe of CorrosionX, Follower changed to Magpie if not installed ( on 30's only). Reassembled, loaded and checked for function (3 to 4 rds.), topped off and stored. Only mags I had trouble with were a few of the 20's (alum) from the 60's/70's 20 rd weak springs.Changed the springs and all worked after repair. The old Vietnam 20's are my favorite with all the finish worn off and the metal followers. I do tear down every mag I take out of the wrapper and clean, insect and function test before storage. Also like the rubber ( now plastic) dust cover and have them on most all the metal mags. Plastic ( don't have a bunch of them) I like the lip covers that fit on to keep pressure off the feed lips. Have accumulated lots of mags over the years and done a lot of testing and I now have my favorites. I do have some older Brownells 20's and no problems. They were cleaned. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: And yet he is having 30% problems and does not know why, while the notion of opening them up to see if something is causing a bind or hang up seems alien to everyone. “THE” single most important item needed for proper function of your weapon and it appears I am the only person who opens them up to inspect what I expect. Friggin wild. The only time I've ever disassembled any mag is when i had problems with new C Product 32 rd Colt style stick mags. The follower was hanging up on a few of them. Took them apart and found the mold parting line was a bit too big. Trimmed the parting line with an exacto knife and they worked fine after that. Disassembled some 20 and 30 rd AR mags I bought back in the '80s as the finish was almost completely gone. Powder coated them with a urethane based powder and baked it on. They are slick as hell now. Didn't disassemble these because of problems. Only because I wanted to refinish them. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: The only time I've ever disassembled any mag is when i had problems with new C Product 32 rd Colt style stick mags. The follower was hanging up on a few of them. Took them apart and found the mold parting line was a bit too big. Trimmed the parting line with an exacto knife and they worked fine after that. Disassembled some 20 and 30 rd AR mags I bought back in the '80s as the finish was almost completely gone. Powder coated them with a urethane based powder and baked it on. They are slick as hell now. Didn't disassemble these because of problems. Only because I wanted to refinish them. And there you go. You had issues and took them apart, found a solution and then fixed it….like an adult ….he has done nothing but wants to be spoon fed and wring his hands because they are “new”… |
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Originally Posted By Copter: Um.... Sounds as if ALOT of other "magazine consumers" need to LEARN about proper post purchase "inspections" of their NEW magazines BEFORE those magazines are placed into service. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Actullay in boot camp we were issued two or three magazines for the range. We did tear them down prior to use, inspect,clean, reassemble the magazine ensuring the spring was in correctly. I carried that training on. I can not recall which new magazines that I got that had some flash inside. Not AR but iirc Glock 43x. New rifle mags I take a ruler or similar sized wood scrap and press on the follower and work it up and down a good twenty times to check and burnish the parts together. Obviously it’s worth the work to inspect the inside of the magazines since there is a problem. Maybe you can identify the issue and rectify it. This is what I do as well, simple and identifies any problem magazine in which would be taken apart to inspect, repair, replace. |
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Is it the steel ones? I remember I bought them back in 2022/23 and I remember it was a good use magazine. I had about what I would estimate 2-3k rounds through it before one of the ear snapped off it. It sprayed out like popcorn popping. I think the USGI aluminum ones are the best 20 rounders you can buy. I haven't had it snapped on me and I used it for years. |
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Recently bought 3 of these and took 1 to the range and shot this past weekend had repeated issues. I’d insert mag on open bolt, hit the bolt release, bolt was not going all the way into the extension. Would get a click when pulling the trigger, and have to mortar the rifle to remove the round. These were 77 gr reloads loaded to 2.24-2.25. The same ammo (in some cases, the exact same rounds I tried to load using the brownells mag) ran perfectly fine with an Okay 20 round mag. |
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I would not be surprised if there was a difference in some mags though. Some 20 round mags have larger diameter spring wire with the same coil spacing than the Okay 20 round mags. I would not attribute a loading problem to the mags if I was not using factory ammunition. |
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Originally Posted By richiecotite: Recently bought 3 of these and took 1 to the range and shot this past weekend had repeated issues. I'd insert mag on open bolt, hit the bolt release, bolt was not going all the way into the extension. Would get a click when pulling the trigger, and have to mortar the rifle to remove the round. These were 77 gr reloads loaded to 2.24-2.25. The same ammo (in some cases, the exact same rounds I tried to load using the brownells mag) ran perfectly fine with an Okay 20 round mag. |
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Originally Posted By Jus_Ad_Bellum: I hate jumping through hoops to troubleshoot a new part. If you're not happy, please reach out to customer service. These are maDe for us by a reputable company, However, duds happen. If you can try the lot with a couple factory loads, it would always help dial in on the issue. I've got a handful of these and have used them on a variety of guns with everything from AAC to BH to American Eagle without a hitch, but please reach out. I did just that this past weekend, using new factory AAC ammo and had 0 issues through multiple guns. Chances are, on the previous trip out of spec ammo was the culprit. |
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Originally Posted By richiecotite: Recently bought 3 of these and took 1 to the range and shot this past weekend had repeated issues. I’d insert mag on open bolt, hit the bolt release, bolt was not going all the way into the extension. Would get a click when pulling the trigger, and have to mortar the rifle to remove the round. These were 77 gr reloads loaded to 2.24-2.25. The same ammo (in some cases, the exact same rounds I tried to load using the brownells mag) ran perfectly fine with an Okay 20 round mag. In case anyone ever reads this, one issue in addition to your ammo likely was a brand new spring applying a lot of pressure, leading to more drag between the round and the feed lips, which your buffer spring could not over come. The feed lips also being brand new, they likely had some roughness as well on the edge that contacts the cartridge, this also increased the friction, and therefore the force needed. Easily fixed: Take an emery cloth to the feed lips lower edges. Leave the mag loaded a little while to help set the spring Would not hurt to also take the mag apart to also check for flash inside that the follower could hang up on. Sometimes followers will have little plastic tabs that you might want to cut off or sand down. Lots of simple stuff you can do to reduce friction in firearms, and the mag is part of the firearm equation. Worst I have ever seen was a couple cases of CP Mags with a lot of flashing, that involved taking apart every mag and ramming a large flat blade screwdriver along the front and rear spine to knock off the weld flashing. Fixed them right up, but I was not happy about it and pulling back issued mags to do the fix was a PITA. Never saw a problem with just handing out OKAYs or Pmags…they just worked. (There is something to be said for some level of actual QC.) OKAYs at least had some cycle testing as part of that QC process as well, not sure about Pmags. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: IMO if you don’t disassemble each and every mag you own to verify the inside is smooth, CLEAN and unobstructed (plastic flash.. kinked spring, aluminum weld or whatever) you get what you get. Open them up, wipe them out and wipe the springs down and VERIFY the thing runs smooth. In 30+ years of owning and shooting ARs, I’ve never stripped a new mag to inspect whether it’s smooth and clean on the inside. My mag inventory has been up as high as 600 for ARs, and I always shoot a representative sample of mags out of each new batch purchased. Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky. If some of my mags had issues after a bunch of use, I’d disassemble, inspect, etc. And I’d have a low threshold to trash a problem mag. If I bought new mags and they had issues, I’d return them. |
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