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Posted: 10/9/2016 5:14:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/13/2018 10:31:25 PM EST by chenault]
Upper:
- Colt AF/Armalite M4 if rebuilt off SPR
- Colt Keyhole M4
- Keyhole Forge M4 black or FDE if full upper built by PRI

Barrel:
- Custom spun Heavy/SPR profile mid-gas from unknown blank
- Special Noveske 16" Recon, mid-length gas with custom heavier (~.742") profile in front of gas block for Ops Inc 12th Model, FDE coated (likely Duracoat, could be GunKote or Cerakote)

Gas Block:
- PRI .750 Black

BCG:
- Colt's M16 or other M16 contract replacement

Handguard:
- Precision Reflex 3rd Generation CF FF Handguard, rifle length, FDE [or Black if doing a full black upper but non-Noveske barrel]

CH:
- PRI Gas Buster M84 with military latch, black [Later pattern, no "welded" latch hotdog]
- Badger Ambi CH

Muzzle Device:
- Ops Inc 12th Model Brake and collar, and 12th Model suppressor

Scope Rings:

W/PRI Recce Rail:

- A.R.M.S. #22 Medium

- OPS rings

- Nightforce A107

- Badger 30mm Unimount

No Recce Rail

- LaRue LT-104

- A.R.M.S. #22 High

- Nightforce A203 (XX High) Or A110 (X High)

Bipod:
- Harris BRM-S with PodLoc
* A.R.M.S. #32
* KAC RAS bipod adapter
* LaRue LT-130 QD bipod adapter

- Atlas direct rail mount bipod BT-10
- LaRue LT-706/ Harris BRM-S combo
- VersaPods with ARMS #42 mount [claw or rubber feet]

BUIS:
- Black PRI [rarely if used if at all]
- ARMS #40 Standalone rear

Lower

Rcvr:
- Colt's or GM Hydramatic M16A1 (Anniston Depot markings on some)

Grip:
- A2
- Magpul MIAD
- Tango Down
- Ergo
- Sierra SPR

Trigger:
- Accuracy Speaks Full Auto Match
- KAC Adjustable F/A 2-stage
- Geissele SSF

Selector:
- DPMS Ambidextrous full-auto (old gen, ca 2000-2003 timeframe)
- Standard M16 style

Buttstock:
- ACE SOCOM Carbine or Rifle length - Gens 1-3
- SOPMOD Gen 1 or 2 [black or tan]
- Magpul
* ACS
* PRS
* CTR

Optics:
- Leupold 3-9x36 M3 TS-30A2 Illum Mildot
- Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36 M2 (with or without TS-30A2markings), Illuminated MilDot OR TMR reticle
- Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 LR, M3 turrets, Illuminated Mil-Dot reticle
- FDE Leupold Mk4 3.5-10x40, M2 turrets, Illuminated TMR (ala M110)
- S&B Short-Dot
- Bushnell SMRS 1-8
- Leupold Vari-X III LR M3 with Premier Reticles Gen 2 MilDot conversion [in LT-104 Mount]

Notes:

There are 3 rough iterations of the Mod H:

1)First handful were built at SOTIC armory directly by MSG Holland and another gentleman, using COTS parts ordered from Brownells etc. The one we can see closely had a black Colt Keyhole forged upper, black PRI Gen III handguard rifle length, and a black PRI Recce Rail. The barrel was unmarked, with a heavy/SPR profile, mid-gas, and OPS profile, and coated black. Only 2 of this type have been photographed, one of which may have actually had a Noveske barrel.

2)The second, larger grouping of Hollands were rebuilds of original SPRs. These can be distinguished as they all have FDE Gen III handguards, and retained the upper and lowers from the SPRs, often identified in that the upper and lower have matching worn rattlecan paint but the handguard is unpainted. Often the optics, suppressor, etc matched the upper/lower. These had the Noveske FDE barrels. Non rattlecanned ones you can identify by their uppers being Colt AF forgemark or Armalite (haven't seen one, but likely in the mix).

3)The third iteration apparently were assembled by Precision Reflex, with them supplying new parts for the entire upper. These had Keyhole forge contract uppers coated in FDE, FDE Gen III handguards, FDE Noveske barrels, contract M16 BCGs. These likely were supplied with the Recce Rails, maybe with PRI back-up irons as well (though apparently rarely even used).

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I would like to give a special thanks to 18E3V and Nikiel09 for the information about the "Holland" program that they have given over the years in the MK12 thread.  I would also like to thank HaveBlue83 and the other members  who helped in creation of this thread
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:21:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 5:21:35 PM EST by Samson-Dogg]
In on page one-pics coming
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:25:00 PM EST
Darn... I think I might have to build me one of these.
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:42:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2017 1:10:12 AM EST by prskiller]
Awesome pics above, some I haven't seen in the other.  Looking forward to seeing this thread grow.
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Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:50:59 PM EST
Nice work!
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:53:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 5:59:33 PM EST by Postal0311]
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 5:53:58 PM EST
In on Page 1
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 6:29:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 8:44:21 PM EST by 02Overlander]
Solid read,  big fan of the Holland.
 
































































 
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Link Posted: 10/9/2016 7:54:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 7:54:53 PM EST by HaveBlue83]
finally. in on 1







 
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 8:20:00 PM EST
Great job Chenault ! Hollands have deserved their own thread for awhile.
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 8:24:54 PM EST
In on page 1:

PLACEHOLDER FOR PIC
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 8:37:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 8:40:21 PM EST by 8NAK4]


Holland addict checking in. Member of the #AyeJuanGenJuanMafia & The Garage Pail Kids


Link Posted: 10/9/2016 8:40:45 PM EST
I'm glad to see this thread. I am building a Holland inspired rifle. It won't be an exact clone for logistics sake. It will be using the same Surefire muzzle devices as my M4A1 so I can use the same suppresor, so I won't pollute this thread with pictures of it.

Link Posted: 10/9/2016 8:58:40 PM EST
In on 1?

Awaiting a better full-time host for the SPR/M4 so I can run the AEM5 on this one, and I'll snag myself an extra A1 lower and Leupold 3.5-10 to make this thing proper.

Best therapy there is. by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 9:39:23 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/9/2016 10:24:43 PM EST
Fuk'er I was just pricing PRI Tubes with just a small thought now you've gone and fucked my mind up............  I must purchase now
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 10:25:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 10:27:36 PM EST by RTUtah]
Depending on how this thread progresses, I may augment the Mk12 thread title. Good luck, chenault.










 
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 10:33:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/9/2016 10:44:48 PM EST by JohnStoner]




Link Posted: 10/9/2016 10:36:58 PM EST
In on one cuz I wanna be a cool kid too one day.

Link Posted: 10/9/2016 10:40:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Stickman:


Ehhh, debating whether to post info on this.  The problem is that it would upset some people who "want to believe".
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Out with it. Can't make that post and then not deliver. Quoted for proof. C'mon, Stick.
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 11:12:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Stickman:
Ehhh, debating whether to post info on this.  The problem is that it would upset some people who "want to believe".
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Since when have you cared about upsetting people, out with it.
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 11:14:51 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Stickman:


Ehhh, debating whether to post info on this.  The problem is that it would upset some people who "want to believe".
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Lol. Go stick go!!
Link Posted: 10/9/2016 11:29:27 PM EST
In on one for the story
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 4:20:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2016 4:20:17 AM EST by Calculating]
I want
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 7:23:11 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Stickman:


Ehhh, debating whether to post info on this.  The problem is that it would upset some people who "want to believe".
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They're bastard rifles anyway.



Post away.



 
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 8:04:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2016 8:26:28 AM EST by CloneDiseased]

Mess of parts












Holland clone is close...I can feel it




Still need:




Gen I ACE SOCOM

PRI Gas Buster charging handle

PRI Gen III Forearm - rifle length - FDE

PRI Recce Rail

ARMS #22M Non-lever stop rings, or another option ITW

Leupold 2.5-8x36 Mark 4 MR/T 30mm riflescope

Atlas Bipod

Rattlecan treatment

 
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 8:30:01 AM EST
Pic placeholder.

I'm looking forward to seeing where this thread goes!
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 9:17:26 AM EST

Link Posted: 10/10/2016 9:27:25 AM EST
Real life accounts of actual events is a good thing, regardless of whether or not it conflicts with existing accounts.
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 9:43:09 AM EST
Loving all these pics, a lot of these builds I've not seen before.
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 9:47:58 AM EST
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I'll play
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 10:50:14 AM EST
I still have a lot of Holland parts
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 11:42:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Stickman:
Ehhh, debating whether to post info on this.  The problem is that it would upset some people who "want to believe".
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Let me guess, hollands were made with FN-rejected PSA barrels?

Link Posted: 10/10/2016 12:39:41 PM EST
Has anyone tried a MicroMoa Govnah gas block under a PRI rail?
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 12:57:08 PM EST
how hot does your pri rail get? on how many rds?

I shot maybe 6 mags yesterday on mine and it got noticeably hot (without a glove).

I'm thinking my shaved down FSB is still too big and contacting the rail somewhere and heating it up.
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 1:26:21 PM EST

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Originally Posted By developer:


how hot does your pri rail get? on how many rds?



I shot maybe 6 mags yesterday on mine and it got noticeably hot (without a glove).



I'm thinking my shaved down FSB is still too big and contacting the rail somewhere and heating it up.
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if i crack off 100rnds the forearm gets warm. i enjoy that.




twitchy i love those 3. i really wanna do a 12.5 sbr like the bottom one. i love that look
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 2:25:49 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/10/2016 3:08:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2016 5:33:29 PM EST by chenault]
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Originally Posted By developer:
how hot does your pri rail get? on how many rds?

I shot maybe 6 mags yesterday on mine and it got noticeably hot (without a glove).

I'm thinking my shaved down FSB is still too big and contacting the rail somewhere and heating it up.
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Depending on how fast you shot the 6 mags through I would expect any handguard to heat up pretty fast.  I use mine for more precision work so I can't give very good knowledge of how fast it heats up, but I would expect with as big as it is that it heats up slower than a lot of others.    


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Link Posted: 10/10/2016 6:41:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2016 7:47:17 AM EST by MS556]
Deleted by OP as inappropriate for this thread.  Sorry I did not understand build specs.

Link Posted: 10/10/2016 6:47:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MS556:
Holland or Recce or neither?  What say ye all?

Built around a 16" Lilja "Recon" profile barrel in a Spikes upper.

WMD Guns NiB-X BCG

12" Daniel Defense MFR free float barrel (not a PRI)

Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm in Larue LT-104

Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in 45 degree offset ADM QD mount

Magpul MBUS Pro folding backups

S&W M&P lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger group.

Magpul ACS, MIAD furniture.

Not shown is Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod in ADM QD mount

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/gbloss/91D6E6D7-B4A1-49E3-8CC9-8B8BB4625F47_zpse8s2qkgt.jpg

Whatever it is, it shoots.

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Not even remotely close.
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 6:53:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2016 6:53:57 PM EST by chenault]
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Originally Posted By MS556:
Holland or Recce or neither?  What say ye all?

Built around a 16" Lilja "Recon" profile barrel in a Spikes upper.

WMD Guns NiB-X BCG

12" Daniel Defense MFR free float barrel (not a PRI)

Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm in Larue LT-104

Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in 45 degree offset ADM QD mount

Magpul MBUS Pro folding backups

S&W M&P lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger group.

Magpul ACS, MIAD furniture.

Not shown is Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod in ADM QD mount

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/gbloss/91D6E6D7-B4A1-49E3-8CC9-8B8BB4625F47_zpse8s2qkgt.jpg

Whatever it is, it shoots.

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Nice rifle, but it isn't a Holland, I'd try the Recce thread
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 7:02:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MS556:
Holland or Recce or neither?  What say ye all?

Built around a 16" Lilja "Recon" profile barrel in a Spikes upper.

WMD Guns NiB-X BCG

12" Daniel Defense MFR free float barrel (not a PRI)

Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm in Larue LT-104

Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in 45 degree offset ADM QD mount

Magpul MBUS Pro folding backups

S&W M&P lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger group.

Magpul ACS, MIAD furniture.

Not shown is Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod in ADM QD mount

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/gbloss/91D6E6D7-B4A1-49E3-8CC9-8B8BB4625F47_zpse8s2qkgt.jpg

Whatever it is, it shoots.

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I spy with my little eye a mothafuckin troll
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 7:23:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 7:23:45 PM EST

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Originally Posted By MS556:


Holland or Recce or neither?  What say ye all?



Built around a 16" Lilja "Recon" profile barrel in a Spikes upper.



WMD Guns NiB-X BCG



12" Daniel Defense MFR free float barrel (not a PRI)



Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm in Larue LT-104



Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in 45 degree offset ADM QD mount



Magpul MBUS Pro folding backups



S&W M&P lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger group.



Magpul ACS, MIAD furniture.



Not shown is Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod in ADM QD mount



http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/gbloss/91D6E6D7-B4A1-49E3-8CC9-8B8BB4625F47_zpse8s2qkgt.jpg



Whatever it is, it shoots.



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Jesus Christ already someone trying to derail the thread
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 7:32:02 PM EST
Already having an SPR as well as an 18" .308, I've always leaned more towards building a Mod H as my Mk12 clone since I do not have a 16" precision rifle anymore. Loving this thread so far.
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 8:17:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MS556:
Holland or Recce or neither?  What say ye all?

Built around a 16" Lilja "Recon" profile barrel in a Spikes upper.

WMD Guns NiB-X BCG

12" Daniel Defense MFR free float barrel (not a PRI)

Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40mm in Larue LT-104

Leupold DeltaPoint Pro in 45 degree offset ADM QD mount

Magpul MBUS Pro folding backups

S&W M&P lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger group.

Magpul ACS, MIAD furniture.

Not shown is Harris 6-9" HBRS bipod in ADM QD mount

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r772/gbloss/91D6E6D7-B4A1-49E3-8CC9-8B8BB4625F47_zpse8s2qkgt.jpg

Whatever it is, it shoots.

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Abomination !
Link Posted: 10/10/2016 8:25:12 PM EST

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Originally Posted By spermgewehr44:


https://s25.postimg.org/qvusa4xnz/holland7.jpg
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much spermy. many sex. high paint. very wow.







that troll post is troll.
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