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Originally Posted By methical20:
In an Instagram post from earlier today, Geissele mentioned (in the comments) that they will be offering a non-pinned complete upper. Definitely the best option for those looking add MK12 gas block/SF4P. |
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Originally Posted By h00n:
Pretty aggravating that DD (for the RIS II) and Geissele won't just sell the rails. It's literally the only part of the upper that I want.  |
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Originally Posted By h00n:
Pretty aggravating that DD (for the RIS II) and Geissele won't just sell the rails. It's literally the only part of the upper that I want. We kept on asking for a Rem 700 trigger for a long time, and finally they made one. |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
Geissele needs to discontinue the MK13-14 and just make the 16 and maybe a 17 with Picatinny on the end. No MLOK on the 45 is goofy and it looks like shit to have the different shaped holes and less functionality. Just weird. |
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Originally Posted By socommatthews: LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? |
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Originally Posted By socommatthews:
LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Geissele needs to discontinue the MK13-14 and just make the 16 and maybe a 17 with Picatinny on the end. No MLOK on the 45 is goofy and it looks like shit to have the different shaped holes and less functionality. Just weird. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: There are merits to the MK8, MK14, and MK16. The MK8 is the sturdiest, coolest, largest, and plus shaped (some like this). The MK14 is the slimmest and lightest. The MK16 has M-LOK slots at the 45s. The MK16 isn't the sturdiest, the coolest, the largest, plus shaped, the slimmest, or the lightest. More people may want the MK16 and Geissele may discontinue the MK8 and MK14, but that doesn't mean the MK16 is objectively better. |
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Originally Posted By RePp:
Who cares about function its all about form. Like he said its all about looks. Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews: LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
Take a look at a picture thread and see how many people are running their light with an inline mount and/or a remote switch on one the top quadrants. It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. |
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Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Hope they offer in black eventually https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/35055/26866443_579908155686162_1572002341513592832_n-447197.JPG |
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Originally Posted By samuse: Take a look at a picture thread and see how many people are running their light with an inline mount and/or a remote switch on one the top quadrants. It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. 
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Fucked up how? The purpose of the MK14 was to be a durable, thin, light rail for competition. Sounds like it does its job. On my carbines I have my lights mounted at the 10:30 or 1:30, but not all rifles are carbines. I'm actually not a fan of the MK14 on a carbine. However, I use a MK14 on my 22 lr trainer. The MK14 is a better choice than the MK16 for that application and other applications that don't require an offset mounted light. Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. |
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Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Thats what I was trying to figure out. What is it? Its got the crankshaft screws. But the qd socket in the mk8 location. Is this a really early prototype? Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By pezboytate: That's no MK16. What is it? Its got the crankshaft screws. But the qd socket in the mk8 location. Is this a really early prototype? |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
Everyone else has no problem making thin, light, durable rails with attach points on the 45, but Geissele can't? Until they need to sell it to people who actually use their stuff? They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. Geissele should sell the MK16 separately as well as offer 9.5", 10.75", 11.62", and 15.25" lengths IMO. I'm okay with not offering black though 
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Originally Posted By RePp:
They work awesome as is. Of all my G rails its my favorite by far. I do look forward to trying the 16 though. http://oi66.tinypic.com/6enbkp.jpg Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By samuse: Take a look at a picture thread and see how many people are running their light with an inline mount and/or a remote switch on one the top quadrants. It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. http://oi66.tinypic.com/6enbkp.jpg 
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Originally Posted By samuse:
Take a look at a picture thread and see how many people are running their light with an inline mount and/or a remote switch on one the top quadrants. It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews: LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. Originally Posted By samuse: They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. 
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Does the Mk16 use the same barrel nut as a Mk14? I'm about to send a 6920 OEM 2 off for a chop and pin and might go with the Mk14 over the Mk8 if it means in the future I might be able to swap over to the Mk16.
Hope that makes sense, typing "Mk" way to many times. |
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Originally Posted By MrMitch:
Does the Mk16 use the same barrel nut as a Mk14? I'm about to send a 6920 OEM 2 off for a chop and pin and might go with the Mk14 over the Mk8 if it means in the future I might be able to swap over to the Mk16. Hope that makes sense, typing "Mk" way to many times. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: I don't see why they wouldn't be identical. I believe even the MK8 barrel nut works on the MK14. |
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Originally Posted By socommatthews:
To you maybe, but not to me. I use an X300U at the 12 position in front of a DD front sight. I don't use fancy VFGs or finger stops, or put a light at the 45 so I'd prefer there weight savings over Mlok for my Mlok on top of my Mlok. If you do, cool, but that doesn't mean the Mk13/14 is obsolete, or looks like shit (lol @that). In reality the URGI configuration is something a lot of people have been running for years, and the Army is just now catching up. Maybe not in exact components but in rail/barrel length for sure. The Army could (and probably did in some capacity) have made a spec for this upper 5 years ago too. It's something everyone else makes, and had been making. I honestly think the hype around this set-up is kinda silly. Unlike Red Jacket it HAS been done before. But I know you clone guys get pretty worked up over this stuff so I ain't hating Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews: LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. Originally Posted By samuse: They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
The weight savings argument is silly. You're looking at probably less than an ounce between the MLOK slots and the slots on the MK13/14. The MK16 is a better, more though out handguard. It would be way more popular than the 13/14. Geissele has been going all around the bullseye for five years with their rails. They finally hit with the MK16 and it's some limited production thing? WTFever. Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews: LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. Originally Posted By samuse: They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Does anyone have a weight for what a URG rifle will weigh without optics/accessories? For example, the M4A1 is 6.36lbs. The URG/"M4A2" is X-lbs. |
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Originally Posted By RePp: They work awesome as is. Of all my G rails its my favorite by far. I do look forward to trying the 16 though. http://oi66.tinypic.com/6enbkp.jpg |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
The rail is heavier when you have the M-LOK cuts instead of larger cutouts on the 45s. I don't disagree that there is a use for 45 M-LOK slots, just arguing that there is a point to the MK14. Geissele should sell the MK16 separately as well as offer 9.5", 10.75", 11.62", and 15.25" lengths IMO. I'm okay with not offering black though Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By socommatthews:
LOL... No. Not everyone needs Mlok on their Mlok so we can add more Mlok bro. I don't even use any of the Mlok slots. No need. Why do I need them on the 45s too? It's not all about looks, but when it looks goofy and it's less functional, when it would look better to make it more functional, then I say it looks like shit. Look at KAC URX4, BCM MCMR, Noveske NSR, Daniel Defense MFR, etc. Then look at the MK13/14. Yeah. They fucked up. They could've made that MK16 five years ago. It's a round handguard with lotsa places to put shit. Like everyone else makes and has been making. Geissele should sell the MK16 separately as well as offer 9.5", 10.75", 11.62", and 15.25" lengths IMO. I'm okay with not offering black though |
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Originally Posted By imdBman:
I have been shopping around for the middy govt profile barrel. Just FYI, Spikes barrel has a .765 gas port but is about the same price as the DD barrel. FN also makes one. |
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Yes I meant .0765 for the same type of set up, not an exact clone. Pending a price on a GL Mk16, I can build my near URG-I for app $800. No optic.
ETA; Pez, you are correct. Spikes has 2 14.5 mid barrels, 1 lightweight and 1 with a .750 GB that is not govt profile. |
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So what are you guys planning on building your clone URG-I's on? The two options I've been tossing around is to buy a complete M4 marked Colt lower from Brownells or sending off an incomplete 80% to get engraved and anodized. I've heard there is some trouble with the Brownells Colt offering, that they're basically factory seconds and sold with incomplete roll stamps and and scratched up like they came loose packed in a plastic tote. Pics from reviews at Brownells; 
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Originally Posted By ThRob:
So what are you guys planning on building your clone URG-I's on? The two options I've been tossing around is to buy a complete M4 marked Colt lower from Brownells or sending off an incomplete 80% to get engraved and anodized. I've heard there is some trouble with the Brownells Colt offering, that they're basically factory seconds and sold with incomplete roll stamps and and scratched up like they came loose packed in a plastic tote. Pics from reviews at Brownells; http://i65.tinypic.com/n158w0.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/jf9afa.jpg What says the hive? |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
I just want the rail. If it sells for $250 like the other G rails, I don't see $729 for the upper, barrel and gas tube on the stripped one Brownells has, and DAMN SURE not an extra $1129 to have the complete URG. This is retarded. |
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Originally Posted By samuse:
I just want the rail. If it sells for $250 like the other G rails, I don't see $729 for the upper, barrel and gas tube on the stripped one Brownells has, and DAMN SURE not an extra $1129 to have the complete URG. This is retarded. Geissele ACH- $100? Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense barrel- $275 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 Daniel Defense gas tube- $16 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ Not counting shipping and coupon codes you're looking at around $1,150 for the clone correct parts (if available). |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Geissele MK16- $270? Geissele ACH- $100? Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense barrel- $275 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 Daniel Defense gas tube- $16 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ Not counting shipping and coupon codes you're looking at around $1,150 for the clone correct parts (if available). Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
I just want the rail. If it sells for $250 like the other G rails, I don't see $729 for the upper, barrel and gas tube on the stripped one Brownells has, and DAMN SURE not an extra $1129 to have the complete URG. This is retarded. Geissele ACH- $100? Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense barrel- $275 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 Daniel Defense gas tube- $16 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ Not counting shipping and coupon codes you're looking at around $1,150 for the clone correct parts (if available). |
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Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Is it confirmed that Geissele is using legit Colt M4 uppers and BCGs? I know for a fact that the Geissele URGI gas block isn't using the DD MK12 gas block. Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
I just want the rail. If it sells for $250 like the other G rails, I don't see $729 for the upper, barrel and gas tube on the stripped one Brownells has, and DAMN SURE not an extra $1129 to have the complete URG. This is retarded. Geissele ACH- $100? Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense barrel- $275 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 Daniel Defense gas tube- $16 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ Not counting shipping and coupon codes you're looking at around $1,150 for the clone correct parts (if available). ETA: The only way presently to get a 100% clone correct setup: Geissele/Brownell's URG-I- $1380 Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ $1850 plus shipping and minus any coupon codes and what you can sell the extra parts for. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
I would bet they aren't. ETA: The only way presently to get a 100% clone correct setup: Geissele/Brownell's URG-I- $1380 Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ $1850 plus shipping and minus any coupon codes and what you can sell the extra parts for. Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
I just want the rail. If it sells for $250 like the other G rails, I don't see $729 for the upper, barrel and gas tube on the stripped one Brownells has, and DAMN SURE not an extra $1129 to have the complete URG. This is retarded. Geissele ACH- $100? Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense barrel- $275 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 Daniel Defense gas tube- $16 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ Not counting shipping and coupon codes you're looking at around $1,150 for the clone correct parts (if available). ETA: The only way presently to get a 100% clone correct setup: Geissele/Brownell's URG-I- $1380 Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ $1850 plus shipping and minus any coupon codes and what you can sell the extra parts for. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: I would bet they aren't. ETA: The only way presently to get a 100% clone correct setup: Geissele/Brownell's URG-I- $1380 Colt M4 upper and BCG- $200 Daniel Defense Mk12 gas block- $70 SureFire 4 prong- $200+ $1850 plus shipping and minus any coupon codes and what you can sell the extra parts for. Also, it's been said that the URG's being released at Brownells are the only ones that will have a "secret sauce" DD barrels, and subdued markings on the charging handle and possibly subdued markings on the rail too. Hardcore clone collectors go crazy over the smallest shit, especially markings, so in 5+ years the value of the uppers might exceed the initial inflated investment. Don't believe me, look at prices on KAC M4 FF Vero Beach marked rails or DD MK18 FSP RIS II marked rails or KAC Christmas Cheer barrels or KAC 3T brakes or Gen 1 Ace stocks or ((insert expensive shit here)) But, that's only if those specific pieces are never released separately....... I'm rolling the dice and grabbing an upper at Brownells. I've had to play catchup with all my other clones trying to locate the exact parts I need. I'd rather at least try to be ahead of the curve on this one and get the rare parts included with the complete upper. |
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Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Hope they offer in black eventually https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/35055/26866443_579908155686162_1572002341513592832_n-447197.JPG -Hammer |
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This URG thing has me confused
First it was said Brownells ones would have Warcomps, then it was pulled back to SF3P. Then secret sauce special barrels, which the USASOC barrels are not, they are normal 4150. Then another product release and no delivery date on the horizon. What is going on? Also, I don't get why they can't just sell the rails and charging handles as a package. That would satisfy folks that want those for what they are, and those that want clone correct guns. If it isn't Colt or FN uppers and bolts, and the wrong gas blocks, it isn't correct. I get that the outsourced barrel and flash suppressor may have an increased cost to them, but why bother then? That means time assembling, pinning and welding which take lots of time, more people to do work, packaging, and more. I bet they would be able to make the same margins or more and save a lotta time selling just the rail and charging handle. The Brownells URGs don't make any business sense - is Geissele tone deaf to the market or something? At these prices, what does it offer me a Knights upper doesn't? @Sagmill - Please release just the rail and ACH! Listen to people here they are all saying the same thing! -hammer |
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