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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Please verify my parts list. Is there a 10.3" URG-I? Back up iron sights? Optics? Thanks! Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By GS5414:
Okay, I'm here. Good lord, lots to discuss. Give me a second to catch up. Also understand I will not answer every question. Some things just can't be said yet. Stand by. S/F Is there a 10.3" URG-I? Back up iron sights? Optics? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By joglee: I'm sure the Mk16 will eventually be sold individually. Why not just stop production on the MK14 and make all of the new hand guards MK16 spec (even if it's marked differently)? I really like G rails, and will not just take my toys and go home, but I'll buy a discounted MK4 before I play this game. |
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
I hope so. I don't see any reason to buy a MK14 after I've seen the MK16. Why not just stop production on the MK14 and make all of the new hand guards MK16 spec (even if it's marked differently)? I really like G rails, and will not just take my toys and go home, but I'll buy a discounted MK4 before I play this game. Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By joglee: I'm sure the Mk16 will eventually be sold individually. Why not just stop production on the MK14 and make all of the new hand guards MK16 spec (even if it's marked differently)? I really like G rails, and will not just take my toys and go home, but I'll buy a discounted MK4 before I play this game. |
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Lets see...
-Daniel Defense 14.5 mid length barrel: $275 -Geissele MK 16 + gas block: $300 -Surefire War Comp: $100 -Gas tube: $20 -Complete M4 upper: $100 -Geissele Airborne CH: $90 -M16 BCG: $120 $1,005. So what people need to figure out is if they're willing to pay an extra $374 for a convenience of having it all together and not having to pay a gunsmith to pin and weld the Warcomp. 
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Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Lets see... -Daniel Defense 14.5 mid length barrel: $275 -Geissele MK 16 + gas block: $300 -Surefire War Comp: $100 -Gas tube: $20 -Complete M4 upper: $100 -Geissele Airborne CH: $90 -M16 BCG: $120 $1,005. So what people need to figure out is if they're willing to pay an extra $374 for a convenience of having it all together and not having to pay a gunsmith to pin and weld the Warcomp. |
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Originally Posted By sdrake100:
The DD barrel isn't available other than through buying this new URG-I upper, so how do you know how much it costs? Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Lets see... -Daniel Defense 14.5 mid length barrel: $275 -Geissele MK 16 + gas block: $300 -Surefire War Comp: $100 -Gas tube: $20 -Complete M4 upper: $100 -Geissele Airborne CH: $90 -M16 BCG: $120 $1,005. So what people need to figure out is if they're willing to pay an extra $374 for a convenience of having it all together and not having to pay a gunsmith to pin and weld the Warcomp. DD CHF Barrels @ Brownells |
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Originally Posted By papabear1868:
Lets see... -Daniel Defense 14.5 mid length barrel: $275 -Geissele MK 16 + gas block: $300 -Surefire War Comp: $100 -Gas tube: $20 -Complete M4 upper: $100 -Geissele Airborne CH: $90 -M16 BCG: $120 $1,005. So what people need to figure out is if they're willing to pay an extra $374 for a convenience of having it all together and not having to pay a gunsmith to pin and weld the Warcomp. |
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Originally Posted By papabear1868: I'm comparing it to the exact listing on Brownells for a 14.5" DD mid length barrel price. The "sauce" isn't something we can quantify in a price premium because we don't even know what the "sauce" refers to. DD CHF Barrels @ Brownells .
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Originally Posted By sdrake100:
And yet you're the one putting a price on it with your breakdown, even though they're not the same thing. I guess it's my turn to .Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By papabear1868: I'm comparing it to the exact listing on Brownells for a 14.5" DD mid length barrel price. The "sauce" isn't something we can quantify in a price premium because we don't even know what the "sauce" refers to. DD CHF Barrels @ Brownells .
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Originally Posted By papabear1868: The Brownells listing is the closest we have to a realistic comparison for Daniel Defense 14.5 CHF mid length barrel and a price that's cited on their website. If you're getting emotional or butt hurt over my listing of prices, feel free to price it out yourself. |
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Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Emotional? No, just rational. Close enough =/= the same thing. Your reaction to the price is based on an item that is different than the DD barrel you posted. In your own words, you don't know how to quantify the "special sauce". If you can't see how that's flawed, then keep your logical inconsistencies to yourself. Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By papabear1868: The Brownells listing is the closest we have to a realistic comparison for Daniel Defense 14.5 CHF mid length barrel and a price that's cited on their website. If you're getting emotional or butt hurt over my listing of prices, feel free to price it out yourself. |
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Reference the upper receiver. As long as it is mil spec. I just look at several complete FN built M4A1s and they had "C" marked uppers. For BUIS add KACs as they are in the system.
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Yea the URG is a bit overpriced, but we are only talking under $400 or so over priced.
If you want the latest greatest you gotta pay, IMO I would just wait since this will be a popular product and be widely available eventually. I just want a date when they are gonna ship from Brownells. |
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Yea the URG is a bit overpriced, but we are only talking under $400 or so over priced. If you want the latest greatest you gotta pay, IMO I would just wait since this will be a popular product and be widely available eventually. I just want a date when they are gonna ship from Brownells. No idea on the ship date thing....Been wondering that myself |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Yup. I will probably be waiting to buy or build one second hand off the EE. My block 2 and block 1s will hold me over til then. But if I had the money to blow id be all over the stripped URG-I and a SF4P. No idea on the ship date thing....Been wondering that myself Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
Yea the URG is a bit overpriced, but we are only talking under $400 or so over priced. If you want the latest greatest you gotta pay, IMO I would just wait since this will be a popular product and be widely available eventually. I just want a date when they are gonna ship from Brownells. No idea on the ship date thing....Been wondering that myself Learned my lesson about buying the latest greatest in the past, best to wait a bit. 
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Originally Posted By papabear1868: And YOU can't elaborate or quantify the "special sauce" either. Nobody can. It could be a marketing gimmick for the commercial market and many will treat it as such until further information is released explaining why there is something special about how the URGI barrel is made. The CLOSEST thing available is the barrel I linked to which is what it will be compared to until DD elaborates on what they did to make the "special sauce" on the URGI barrel. So yes, I and many other consumers will be comparing them apples to apples until further information is released. |
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Originally Posted By stickyheat:
I’m seeing people report these will come from Brownells with a warcomp and some state it’s the SF3P. Which does it ship with for civilian purchase? If you want clone correct. Or want to add your own device. The stripped version will get you closer. |
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Yea that’s a no go for me. If it came with some flavor of warcomp pinned and welded off the bat I could see these prices making sense when you factor in labor and warranty. Pinning it aftermarket will just likely complicate any future warranty fixes if an issue pops up. At this point the Mk14 MLOK makes the most sense or even a Mk8 unless you are building a clone. Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
The pinned and welded complete version has SF3P. If you want clone correct. Or want to add your own device. The stripped version will get you closer. Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By stickyheat:
I’m seeing people report these will come from Brownells with a warcomp and some state it’s the SF3P. Which does it ship with for civilian purchase? If you want clone correct. Or want to add your own device. The stripped version will get you closer. |
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The complete URGI available for civilian purchase comes with the SF WARCOMP. From Brownell's web site:
SPECS
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO Gas System: Mid-Length Barrel: Daniel Defense 14.5" Cold Hammer Forged 1:7 Muzzle Device: SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP 5.56 (Pinned & Welded) Rail: Geissele Super Modular Rail MK16 (DDC) Charging Handle: Geissele Airborne Charging Handle (DDC) Bolt Carrier Group: MIL-SPEC M4 Carbine Bolt Carrier Group |
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Originally Posted By korgs130:
The complete URGI available for civilian purchase comes with the SF WARCOMP. From Brownell's web site: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-socom-upper-receiver-group-improved-5-56-m-lok-prod114412.aspx?psize=96&avs%7cManufacturer_1=GEISSELE%2bAUTOMATICS%2bLLC Originally Posted By korgs130:
The complete URGI available for civilian purchase comes with the SF WARCOMP. From Brownell's web site: SPECS
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO Gas System: Mid-Length Barrel: Daniel Defense 14.5" Cold Hammer Forged 1:7 Muzzle Device: SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP 5.56 (Pinned & Welded) Rail: Geissele Super Modular Rail MK16 (DDC) Charging Handle: Geissele Airborne Charging Handle (DDC) Bolt Carrier Group: MIL-SPEC M4 Carbine Bolt Carrier Group It is unfortunate as this would have been a good pairing with a warcomp either open or closed tine. I guess the trouble with the open tine is how they would time it. Either for right handed shooters or neutral. I’d prefer neutral. |
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Originally Posted By stickyheat:
I called Geissele this morning to confirm this as well. They will be shipping with the SF3P. No warcomps unfortunately. It is unfortunate as this would have been a good pairing with a warcomp either open or closed tine. I guess the trouble with the open tine is how they would time it. Either for right handed shooters or neutral. I’d prefer neutral. |
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Originally Posted By korgs130:
The complete URGI available for civilian purchase comes with the SF WARCOMP. From Brownell's web site: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-socom-upper-receiver-group-improved-5-56-m-lok-prod114412.aspx?psize=96&avs%7cManufacturer_1=GEISSELE%2bAUTOMATICS%2bLLC |
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Originally Posted By GHOS7:
I like this setup, very similar to my current build but I prefer my SMR MK8. Might be interested in a 10.3 version though. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Something weird that occurred to me about the URG. They are purchasing new, complete uppers with tan handgaurds. Why is the upper receiver black - vs being coated in Geisseles DDC - to make for a complete tan upper? Dry film lube for the win? 
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:
Something weird that occurred to me about the URG. They are purchasing new, complete uppers with tan handgaurds. Why is the upper receiver black - vs being coated in Geisseles DDC - to make for a complete tan upper? |
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I must be ahead of the curve. I’ve been running Daniel defense CHF 14.5 mid length, Geissele rail and the warcomp for over a year. The only difference is I have an MK 4 rail.
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Originally Posted By BePhreed:
At this rate, all of you guys will have them before the military does. If I do, well then I’ll have a pre-clone of it. |
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Originally Posted By McGoo:
The only way to get the rail is with the complete or stripped upper, so I’d be curious how you’d build it for cheaper. Originally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By AmericanCheese:
Originally Posted By joglee:
Just a FYI OP, the actual spec is DD MK12 gas block and SF4P muzzle device. The Brownells is not 100% clone correct. It also appears this is very similar to the IMR that is catching interest with other branches. I will keep my M4A1 Block 1.5 all day. I’m thinking a USASOC can be built with used parts at a considerable discount as well. $1,400 for an upper  “It a clone...except for the barrel and the rail and the muzzle device and the optic and the grip and the trigger and the gas block and the buttstock...but it’s not a ‘true’ clone anyway: no 3rd pin, duh!” |
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Just to be clear:
1. SF4P is issue (clone worthy  ).
2. SF3Ps will ship with Brownell’s complete URGs. 3. Warcomp not really in the picture clonewise, just in the pictures marketingwise. Amirite? |
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Just to be clear: 1. SF4P is issue (clone worthy ).
2. SF3Ps will ship with Brownell’s complete URGs. 3. Warcomp not really in the picture clonewise, just in the pictures marketingwise. Amirite? The only difference would be the gas block. |
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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
Brownell's has 10% off and free shipping today, on orders over $50, for those on the fence. Code LA9. |
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