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Originally Posted By micmac: The mount is the failure point most commonly for lpvos that are abused The Vcog has the most robust mounting solution probably. Not the best scope though No personal experience with a VCOG. Brass Facts says their VCOG broke after about 600 rounds of .308 on a SCAR 17.  Who Has The Better LPVO? Army Vs USMC But I believe SCAR 17 is known to be tough on optics so make of it what you will. |
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The issue with the SCAR is the harmonics caused by the upper recoever. It's a special case. Unless an optic is specifically designed to withstand it, the Scar eats optics It doesn't mean the Vcog isn't a tough optic |
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I've ran a razor gen ii e for 3 or 4 years now on my 3gun rifle. I know a LOT of guys that run the same or the Gen iii. None have ever had any problems with them. If you want something that's going to stand up to abuse, look at what 3 gunners are using. The amount of abuse our equipment takes is stupid. If it can't stand the abuse, people don't use it. |
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Originally Posted By platonicsolid: No personal experience with a VCOG. Brass Facts says their VCOG broke after about 600 rounds of .308 on a SCAR 17.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPdv8qeclM|710But I believe SCAR 17 is known to be tough on optics so make of it what you will. Sig sent the vcog and tango scope. They also did something similar recently. Forgot if its p320 vs glock or something. The non sig product failed dramatically. |
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Originally Posted By NotIssued: I used one to hammer 5 nails into a board. Then rotated it and did 5 more. Then shot 100 rounds at 200m I'm bullsh!tting you. But maybe I should🤔 I mean, hard wood? Pine? Only 5 nails? |
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| durable in what sense? Scope bodies aren't typically a failure point. The vcog is most likely the "strongest" externally, but its typically the internals that fail on optics. NF's offerings seem to do very well but for the most part a solid scope is a solid scope. I don't believe the VCOG is internally any stronger than other offerings in the same class |
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Probably a NF. I leaned my Razor G2E against the front of the 4 wheeler and forgot when I went to go down range. I completely crunched the rifle in the wheel well when I lurched forward. Gun was pretty beat up scope definitely experienced some forces. Held zero and gets treated semi roughly. Sample size of 1 I know. I had to use the vortex warranty twice for 2 diff PST gen 2 vipers.  |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: durable in what sense? Scope bodies aren't typically a failure point. The vcog is most likely the "strongest" externally, but its typically the internals that fail on optics. NF's offerings seem to do very well but for the most part a solid scope is a solid scope. I don't believe the VCOG is internally any stronger than other offerings in the same class Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: durable in what sense? Scope bodies aren't typically a failure point. The vcog is most likely the "strongest" externally, but its typically the internals that fail on optics. NF's offerings seem to do very well but for the most part a solid scope is a solid scope. I don't believe the VCOG is internally any stronger than other offerings in the same class In the matter of internals not moving around. No zero shifting after riding in a truck all day or getting bumped around. Some guys have tested the Trijicon offerings and found them to hold zero better than most everything. NX6 looks like the answer to the test. Originally Posted By Fooboy: Probably a NF. I leaned my Razor G2E against the front of the 4 wheeler and forgot when I went to go down range. I completely crunched the rifle in the wheel well when I lurched forward. Gun was pretty beat up scope definitely experienced some forces. Held zero and gets treated semi roughly. Sample size of 1 I know. I had to use the vortex warranty twice for 2 diff PST gen 2 vipers. My question would be what percentage of Razors can ACTUALLY handle this and how many times. Once or twice is no big deal, but putting it in the back of a truck in a pelican box(full of other equipment and no padding) all the time is the real test. |
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Originally Posted By tet493: In the matter of internals not moving around. No zero shifting after riding in a truck all day or getting bumped around. Some guys have tested the Trijicon offerings and found them to hold zero better than most everything. NX6 looks like the answer to the test. My question would be what percentage of Razors can ACTUALLY handle this and how many times. Once or twice is no big deal, but putting it in the back of a truck in a pelican box(full of other equipment and no padding) all the time is the real test. Originally Posted By tet493: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: durable in what sense? Scope bodies aren't typically a failure point. The vcog is most likely the "strongest" externally, but its typically the internals that fail on optics. NF's offerings seem to do very well but for the most part a solid scope is a solid scope. I don't believe the VCOG is internally any stronger than other offerings in the same class In the matter of internals not moving around. No zero shifting after riding in a truck all day or getting bumped around. Some guys have tested the Trijicon offerings and found them to hold zero better than most everything. NX6 looks like the answer to the test. Originally Posted By Fooboy: Probably a NF. I leaned my Razor G2E against the front of the 4 wheeler and forgot when I went to go down range. I completely crunched the rifle in the wheel well when I lurched forward. Gun was pretty beat up scope definitely experienced some forces. Held zero and gets treated semi roughly. Sample size of 1 I know. I had to use the vortex warranty twice for 2 diff PST gen 2 vipers. My question would be what percentage of Razors can ACTUALLY handle this and how many times. Once or twice is no big deal, but putting it in the back of a truck in a pelican box(full of other equipment and no padding) all the time is the real test. trijicon scopes aren't special internally, to include the vcog. DLO did a series on this I believe |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: What's your definition of hard use? Heavy recoil? Being dropped down a mountain? Extreme hot/cold weather? Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By tet493: Anyone have LPVOs with HARD use? What's your definition of hard use? Heavy recoil? Being dropped down a mountain? Extreme hot/cold weather? I'd add rain, humidity, dust, and submersion for the heavy use definition. |
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You probably already realize this, but most people aren't tracking the zero of their optic close enough or established it with a statisticly large enough group size to evaluate this properly. By that I mean a 30round group baseline for a zero. I suspect many/most of the LPVOs on the market will shift with some abuse but is largely unnoticed when the rifle is not perfectly zeroed and a lot of the ammo being used is 2 moa+. Nightforce commonly makes some of the most durable scopes on the market, with some of the most usable reticles and FFP. Trijicon has in recent years improved the durability of their scope offerings and advertise as such. S&B has some good offerings as well. |
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Originally Posted By micmac: The issue with the SCAR is the harmonics caused by the upper recoever. It's a special case. Unless an optic is specifically designed to withstand it, the Scar eats optics It doesn't mean the Vcog isn't a tough optic Agree. Anything on the 17 is specific to the 17. Lots of durable optics break on the 17, and lots of cheap optics hold up great. It’s not terribly relevant to this discussion either direction. |
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LPVOs really are not durable in the way you are describing. They are the most fragile across the board compared to red dots and prisms. Almost all have 6061 extruded bodies with fine threaded internal adjustments and a clamped on mount... the VCOG being the most notable exception. That said, they are much more durable than people give them credit for. As was already stated, the mount is a common failure point. The body diameter and leveraged overhang has much more of an effect on tube bending deflection than matetial or wall thickness. All premium brands resist vibration and recoil nowadays. If you need an illuminated reticle, only scopes with motion activation have decent battery life. This should narrow your list in a fairly substantial way... 30+mm tubed, compact, auto on/off |
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Originally Posted By DevL: LPVOs really are not durable in the way you are describing. They are the most fragile across the board compared to red dots and prisms. Almost all have 6061 extruded bodies with fine threaded internal adjustments and a clamped on mount... the VCOG being the most notable exception. That said, they are much more durable than people give them credit for. As was already stated, the mount is a common failure point. The body diameter and leveraged overhang has much more of an effect on tube bending deflection than matetial or wall thickness. All premium brands resist vibration and recoil nowadays. If you need an illuminated reticle, only scopes with motion activation have decent battery life. This should narrow your list in a fairly substantial way... 30+mm tubed, compact, auto on/off Best answer. Go with whatever is in your budget from a reputable high end OEM and let jesus take the wheel. |
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Originally Posted By micmac: The issue with the SCAR is the harmonics caused by the upper recoever. It's a special case. Unless an optic is specifically designed to withstand it, the Scar eats optics It doesn't mean the Vcog isn't a tough optic It’s not the upper receiver, it’s the bolt carrier mass and distribution of that mass that causes the odd forward and rearward recoil impulse. |
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