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M4A1 SOPMOD Block II clone picture thread (Page 916 of 925)
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Originally Posted By Ronin_98: If you want to save a little $: https://classified-defense.com/Schmid-Tool-Engineering%C2%AE--Buffer-Tube--4-Position--Mil-Spec_p_2327.html https://bravocompanyusa.com/h2-carbine-buffer/ I have a Colt and a Schmid 4 position tube and they look identical to me. Originally Posted By Ronin_98: Originally Posted By Mauser48A: Awesome! Don't know how I missed that there. If you want to save a little $: https://classified-defense.com/Schmid-Tool-Engineering%C2%AE--Buffer-Tube--4-Position--Mil-Spec_p_2327.html https://bravocompanyusa.com/h2-carbine-buffer/ I have a Colt and a Schmid 4 position tube and they look identical to me. Schmid Tool is one of several USGI contractors for M4 REs. |
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Originally Posted By Ronin_98: If you want to save a little $: https://classified-defense.com/Schmid-Tool-Engineering%C2%AE--Buffer-Tube--4-Position--Mil-Spec_p_2327.html https://bravocompanyusa.com/h2-carbine-buffer/ I have a Colt and a Schmid 4 position tube and they look identical to me. Govt ones are the same and unmarked. Never seen a receiver extension marked. |
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Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Colt, MaTech and CAV Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Colt, MaTech and CAV https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_3052_jpeg-3490049.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_3055_jpeg-3490051.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_3054_jpeg-3490052.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_3053_jpeg-3490053.JPG Awesome. Thanks CD. |
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Originally Posted By Mauser48A: Nice! I see they have schmid lpk too. Wondering if building off the psa lower is the way to go. Only thing a complete Colt really gets me is the pony, for at least $200 more. Colt lower with have the pony but all the markings will be wrong. PSA M4A1 will have the correct font, markings and "W" SN prefix, just no pony logo. Only if you take a 80% can you get all the correct markings. |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Colt lower with have the pony but all the markings will be wrong. PSA M4A1 will have the correct font, markings and "W" SN prefix, just no pony logo. Only if you take a 80% can you get all the correct markings. Yeah I don't think the colt is going to be worth the extra money. No lower is 100% correct so it doesn't really matter. Either way it's close enough. I have a few clones I've done on 80% lowers and I don't really want to do it anymore. |
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Originally Posted By Mauser48A: Yeah I don't think the colt is going to be worth the extra money. No lower is 100% correct so it doesn't really matter. Either way it's close enough. I have a few clones I've done on 80% lowers and I don't really want to do it anymore. I went down this rabbit hole and ended up just getting a SOCOM lower because I knew a PSA wouldn't scratch the itch. Plus it came with all the cool clone parts you see guys trying to scalp on Gunbroker and Tacswap. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7699_jpeg-3435830.JPG Notice surefire 4 prong, is rockset applied when you rebuild rifles for work? |
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Originally Posted By RTrover: Notice surefire 4 prong, is rockset applied when you rebuild rifles for work? Yes, TM calls for it but never use the supplied tube with SF4P as always dried out. Have a shop bottle. This one is 2 oz, bottle I had in Astan was 4 oz Attached File |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By LongTrang: I can't seem to find this answer via google fu. Does anyone know the size of screw to mount the red dot plate to the Elcan? Or where I can find the two screws? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. I believe they are M3 x 6mm |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: I believe they are M3 x 6mm Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By LongTrang: I can't seem to find this answer via google fu. Does anyone know the size of screw to mount the red dot plate to the Elcan? Or where I can find the two screws? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. I believe they are M3 x 6mm Thanks CD! |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Yes, TM calls for it but never use the supplied tube with SF4P as always dried out. Have a shop bottle. This one is 2 oz, bottle I had in Astan was 4 oz https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_2476_jpeg-3493505.JPG CD, is the SF4P with NSN correct for Block II? |
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Originally Posted By RTrover: CD, is the SF4P with NSN correct for Block II? Yes and no, SF4P used on Block II URGs and URGIs for USASOC, NSW and AFSOC Attached File MARSOC still using the KAC NT4 Suppressor and FH. Also used on Block Is Attached File |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By Mauser48A: Yeah I don't think the colt is going to be worth the extra money. No lower is 100% correct so it doesn't really matter. Either way it's close enough. I have a few clones I've done on 80% lowers and I don't really want to do it anymore. You know you gotta do it. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks: You know you gotta do it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180398/batch1_jpg-3502286.JPG Are those engraved or etched from stencils? The ones I have now are engraved but I don't know anyone doing Colt engraving anymore. At least that advertises it. |
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I think i have decided to sell my Block II. I have too many 5.55 ar15 and never reach for this. Between my Block 1, Mk12 mod 0, mk12 mod 1, and my 14.5 ris iii done up like my block ii, this never gets any use. That being said, do you think it's best to part it out or sell as a whole? Upper was built with fn socom barrel, fn upper and has geissele ach charging handle and kac sights. Lower was built off a psa stripped m4a1 lower with ssa-e trigger and either fn or colt lower parts. Has cloud defensive reign 3 light and atacr with badger 1.7 mount. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Rattlecan camo colors: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/202402/IMG_0477_jpeg-3504814.JPG https://www.instagram.com/p/DHyaDhLM6FK/?igsh=ejZsYTNuMXV0azY1 Rapco? |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Yes and no, SF4P used on Block II URGs and URGIs for USASOC, NSW and AFSOC https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_2920_jpeg-3496972.JPG MARSOC still using the KAC NT4 Suppressor and FH. Also used on Block Is https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_2922_jpeg-3497082.JPG Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By RTrover: CD, is the SF4P with NSN correct for Block II? Yes and no, SF4P used on Block II URGs and URGIs for USASOC, NSW and AFSOC https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_2920_jpeg-3496972.JPG MARSOC still using the KAC NT4 Suppressor and FH. Also used on Block Is https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_2922_jpeg-3497082.JPG When it comes to URG with FSP, what barrels were most common? Gov or SOCOM? I’m going for a 2010 build. I assume government profile. Tracking that barrels get replaced over time so it doesn’t really matter. |
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Originally Posted By RTrover: When it comes to URG with FSP, what barrels were most common? Gov or SOCOM? I’m going for a 2010 build. I assume government profile. Tracking that barrels get replaced over time so it doesn’t really matter. In 2010 most would have reused the SOCOM FSB barrel as that was one the Block I before rebuild. Both are correct and I used to give the shooter his choice IF I had both barrels on hand. SOCOM barrels just allow longer full auto firing before cook offs (2-3 mags) but take longer to cool down and are heavier. Really your choice and preference. |
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Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,18,19,20&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24&25'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: In 2010 most would have reused the SOCOM FSB barrel as that was one the Block I before rebuild. Both are correct and I used to give the shooter his choice IF I had both barrels on hand. SOCOM barrels just allow longer full auto firing before cook offs (2-3 mags) but take longer to cool down and are heavier. Really your choice and preference. Thanks CD, I rarely see SOCOM barrels that date range for some reason on the market. See plenty of gov profile. I may not be looking hard enough potentially. But I think gov profile will fit the bill for the build. The barrel I have looks like NOS so it has plenty of life in it still. Want to be able to use it as well. Final note, I also have a 2008 gov profile barrel on hand. Would that be more correct or was that before the SOPMOD program block II? This is getting into the fine ass details at this point. I assume you would use whatever barrel was o/h to make the upper regardless. |
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Originally Posted By RTrover: Thanks CD, I rarely see SOCOM barrels that date range for some reason on the market. See plenty of gov profile. I may not be looking hard enough potentially. But I think gov profile will fit the bill for the build. The barrel I have looks like NOS so it has plenty of life in it still. Want to be able to use it as well. Final note, I also have a 2008 gov profile barrel on hand. Would that be more correct or was that before the SOPMOD program block II? This is getting into the fine ass details at this point. I assume you would use whatever barrel was o/h to make the upper regardless. Gun would get rebarreled at some point, on average every 3 yrs. Plenty of old stock on shelves. I've got NIW M134 minigun barrels from 1968! Got newer 2005 barrels too. Attached File |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24&25'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,18,19,20&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24&25'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,18,19,20&21'
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Originally Posted By RTrover: Thanks CD, I rarely see SOCOM barrels that date range for some reason on the market. See plenty of gov profile. I may not be looking hard enough potentially. But I think gov profile will fit the bill for the build. The barrel I have looks like NOS so it has plenty of life in it still. Want to be able to use it as well. Final note, I also have a 2008 gov profile barrel on hand. Would that be more correct or was that before the SOPMOD program block II? This is getting into the fine ass details at this point. I assume you would use whatever barrel was o/h to make the upper regardless. Officially the Block II program began in 2004 with the Phased Replacements program. Technically, the Phased Replacements program began back in 2003 when the Aimpoint CompM2 and Surefire M952 replaced the Trijicon Reflex and Insight VLI, but the official beginnings of the Block II came with the addition of the Eotech 551 and plans for the RIS II, BIS II, VBL III, and PVS-17 PIP to the Phased Replacements program. (Sadly I cannot find the 2004 SOPMOD overview presentation online, if anyone has that and the 2002 slideshow I'd be very grateful) By 2005, they had settled on some of the accessories they wanted in the Block II kit itself, which were the Trijicon ACOG with a piggybacked Docter red dot, Elcan Specter, Insight ATPIAL, Insight CNVD-T, and Litton CNVD-I2. 2005 would be the earliest some of these accessories would have potentially made their way into combat use.  By 2006 they had finalized most of the Block II kit. They'd decided to go with the Elcan Specter over the Trijicon ACOG ECOS for the official package, but both were still offered at the time. The new Eotech 553 replaced the 551 in the Phased Replacements suite and the Insight M3X and M6X lights won the VBL III contract. The RIS II and BIS II trials had finished initial testing and were entering the procurement phase as the three RIS II entrants (A.R.M.S., Knight's Armament, and Daniel Defense) and two BIS II entrants (A.R.M.S. and Knight's Armament) had all passed the qualification portion of the trials and were now moving on to final selection. The ATPIAL and two clip-on devices were approved for formal use as well and were starting to be issued out to units by this time.  Product selection was complete by 2007 and the Block II package formally entered service. The only real difference was that Daniel Defense won the RIS II contract and the BIS II competition was cancelled for financial reasons. By this point the DD RIS II was still the Mark 1 Mod 0 version with the large M203 screws, the modern version would come in 2008.  So, very long story short, yes a 2008 barrel is appropriate for a Block II |
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Originally Posted By HD2006: Swapped the Elcan for a Razor. I haven’t decided what to do with the Elcan yet. It may end up on a different rifle or I may sell it. https://i.imgur.com/PJxDcvz.jpeg I'd throw it on your Block ll CQBR or the FSB Block ll |
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Originally Posted By Mauser48A: Are those engraved or etched from stencils? The ones I have now are engraved but I don't know anyone doing Colt engraving anymore. At least that advertises it. @HenryKnoxFineBooks. I would also like to know; if engraved or etched would like to know the vendor, IM is fine |
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Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: Question on the Marsoc DMR type block 2s. Are they using usgi profile or socom profile barrels? Also for the LT mount. Anyone know if it is a lt104, or the lt158? Profile is pretty much the same so hard to tell. @Combat_Diver would you happen to know regarding the barrel for Marsoc builds if they used gov or SOCOM on the earlier 14.5s?(I assume nowadays it’s a bit of both) Also I figured out it’s an LT104 with a leupold cqbss; but since that’s now kind of unobtanium any chance you know what mounts they are using now?(assume they have NF optics based on a few photos I’ve seen) |
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Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: @Combat_Diver would you happen to know regarding the barrel for Marsoc builds if they used gov or SOCOM on the earlier 14.5s?(I assume nowadays it's a bit of both) Also I figured out it's an LT104 with a leupold cqbss; but since that's now kind of unobtanium any chance you know what mounts they are using now?(assume they have NF optics based on a few photos I've seen) |
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Officially the Block II program began in 2004 with the Phased Replacements program. Technically, the Phased Replacements program began back in 2003 when the Aimpoint CompM2 and Surefire M952 replaced the Trijicon Reflex and Insight VLI, but the official beginnings of the Block II came with the addition of the Eotech 551 and plans for the RIS II, BIS II, VBL III, and PVS-17 PIP to the Phased Replacements program. (Sadly I cannot find the 2004 SOPMOD overview presentation online, if anyone has that and the 2002 slideshow I'd be very grateful) By 2005, they had settled on some of the accessories they wanted in the Block II kit itself, which were the Trijicon ACOG with a piggybacked Docter red dot, Elcan Specter, Insight ATPIAL, Insight CNVD-T, and Litton CNVD-I2. 2005 would be the earliest some of these accessories would have potentially made their way into combat use. https://i.imgur.com/f11Pf0D.png By 2006 they had finalized most of the Block II kit. They'd decided to go with the Elcan Specter over the Trijicon ACOG ECOS for the official package, but both were still offered at the time. The new Eotech 553 replaced the 551 in the Phased Replacements suite and the Insight M3X and M6X lights won the VBL III contract. The RIS II and BIS II trials had finished initial testing and were entering the procurement phase as the three RIS II entrants (A.R.M.S., Knight's Armament, and Daniel Defense) and two BIS II entrants (A.R.M.S. and Knight's Armament) had all passed the qualification portion of the trials and were now moving on to final selection. The ATPIAL and two clip-on devices were approved for formal use as well and were starting to be issued out to units by this time. https://i.imgur.com/rjJl2jL.png Product selection was complete by 2007 and the Block II package formally entered service. The only real difference was that Daniel Defense won the RIS II contract and the BIS II competition was cancelled for financial reasons. By this point the DD RIS II was still the Mark 1 Mod 0 version with the large M203 screws, the modern version would come in 2008. https://i.imgur.com/Jn2Gob8.png So, very long story short, yes a 2008 barrel is appropriate for a Block II Thanks for the history lesson. I’ve seen these presentations before but it’s always nice to get a refresher. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Vast majority of the mounts for the CQBSS were the Leupold IMS'. They now have ATACRs and the SCO VCOGs. I like the vcog, that would be suitable; you happen to know prevalence of barrel profile? I like the gov profile but with the NT4 suppressor wonder of the socom might be the better one to go with |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Vast majority of the mounts for the CQBSS were the Leupold IMS'. They now have ATACRs and the SCO VCOGs. I like the vcog, that would be suitable; you happen to know prevalence of barrel profile? I like the gov profile but with the NT4 suppressor wonder of the socom might be the better one to go with |
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Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: @Combat_Diver would you happen to know regarding the barrel for Marsoc builds if they used gov or SOCOM on the earlier 14.5s?(I assume nowadays it’s a bit of both) Also I figured out it’s an LT104 with a leupold cqbss; but since that’s now kind of unobtanium any chance you know what mounts they are using now?(assume they have NF optics based on a few photos I’ve seen) I vaguely remember (15-16') MARSOC having Govt profile barrels on their Block IIs. Haven't seen any of theirs since. |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24&25'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,18,19,20&21'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24&25'
Afghanistan: 09,10,11,14,17,18,19,20&21'
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Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: @HenryKnoxFineBooks. I would also like to know; if engraved or etched would like to know the vendor, IM is fine Anyone known to have done that will receive a communication from Colt's legal politriks. |
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Originally Posted By Midazoslam: https://i.imgur.com/mnVMHZz.jpeg What the hell! 😆 |
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https://i.imgur.com/mnVMHZz.jpeg 20” Block II is awesome. I remember seeing a picture of one in this thread a while back and was always intrigued. Very cool to see another. |
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Originally Posted By brodband8: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/488515757_1312247323408446_9180073453068-3511805.JPG That pic and this one have cost me a shit load of money today. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By StealthGuy: That pic and this one have cost me a shit load of money today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366755/IMG_8436_jpeg-3517579.JPG Originally Posted By StealthGuy: Originally Posted By brodband8: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/488515757_1312247323408446_9180073453068-3511805.JPG That pic and this one have cost me a shit load of money today. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366755/IMG_8436_jpeg-3517579.JPG |
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