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Posted: 9/2/2017 11:02:36 PM EDT
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Just assembled my first ar. Anderson lower with CBC indusries build kit. I am always a fan of iron right. However, due to the location and the height of the prism scope, is it even a point to put on the iron sight?I dont think I can use the flip up sight without taking off the prism scope. |
| Depends on the quality of the optic for one thing. After all, plenty of SOF that see regular combat only run a backup front sight (and occasionally no BUIS at all). However, they are using Aimpoints, Eotechs or ACOGs. Also entirely depends on what you're using the rifle for. If the optic dies on your range plinker, you say, "Well, shit... better fix that." If the optic dies in an HD situation, it's certainly not optimal, but your likely engagement range is so short it probably won't matter anyway. If it dies in the middle of a carbine course or a hunting trip, having some BUIS would really be useful. If you really need them, do as suggested above and move the optic forward. Assuming you don't need the optic that close for proper eye relief. |
I'm so high speed I don't even take bathroom breaks. That's what dump pouches are for :\.
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By definition back up sights cannot be necessary. Otherwise they wouldn't have backup in their name.
They are like the spare tire in your trunk. Its not necessary to drive around town. But if one of your other tires ever goes out, and you didn't have the spare, your car is useless. |
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I alternate on if I think they are needed or not. I have switched to good brand scopes that seem to last and last, and I'm not too worried about them going down. If my 3 gun Trijicon scope breaks during a match, I can use a buddy's whole rifle. If it just dies mid stage I can look down the rail enough to get decent hits inside 50 yards, too.
If a red dot happens to just stop working, it still acts like a ghost ring sight and you can point shoot as above. If I'm in full on combat or zombie invasion and something happens so bad it kills my scope, there's a good chance it also killed me. I'm not as tough to break as a quality optic. I have since gotten over my "need" for 2 sets of aiming options on an AR |
| OP, does your prism scope/optic not have the reticle that works regardless of batteries? In the prism scopes I had really considered the Burris Spitfire that has an etched reticle along with an illuminated dot. If the batteries die, you still have a sight. Now, if the whole optic is smashed in some kind of snafu, well, you're kind of out of business except for close quarters point-and-shoot. I've actually seen some decent 45-degree setups that look effective for emergency use, but I've never actually used one. |
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Originally Posted By goldeyeslayer:
move the optic forward and cowitness the irons, get a qd mount for the optic or bet the farm that the optic won't ever fail 
If you think you don't need BUIS, then don't run them. Your rifle, your money, your choice, so YMMV. |
You may experience primary optic failure while at the shooting range, then how will you kill paper/steel? 
For SHTF use, I run them. Range guns, not so much. |
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I think it is good to have working and properly sighted in back up sights on all rifles. The benefit on range guns is . . . training. The more you use your back ups sights the better you will be able to use them in that rare situation where they are actually needed. Anything made by man can fail, and tends to do so at the most inopportune time.
Unless you take your HD or end-of-the-world as we know it rifle to the range with you, a good way to become proficient with your irons sights and stay that way is to deploy them on your range gun and get good with them. I think every range day should include some time shooting irons, and for most of us that means shooting with your backup sights. Just one point of view . . . |
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Originally Posted By Ej6fade:
I'm with this guy. I believe in murphy's law, and sometimes shit breaks, regardless of quality; it happens. On a range toy? no, I don't think you need BUIS. Everything else though IMO, personally I run BUIS. Two is one, one is none / better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it / blah blah blah, I won't recite every saying out there. I personally don't care if SOF guys aren't running BUIS, their gun, their gear, their choice. My rifles, my money, my choice. BUIS helps me sleep better at night
If you think you don't need BUIS, then don't run them. Your rifle, your money, your choice, so YMMV. I addressed the question from the perspective of whether they are necessary, and not whether they have any benefit. Obviously it doesn't hurt to have a backup, but as to whether they are absolutely necessary - that's where it might be instructive to look to people who go into harm's way regularly and what they use. So, if a bunch of guys who get shot at for a living don't feel they are necessary, then I think it's reasonable to at least give that some consideration. Since we're doing sayings, "If it's good enough for them..." But, if a BUIS helps you sleep better at night, by all means, proceed, sir. I never said, "SOF doesn't run them and neither should you." I run BUIS on most of my rifles; but I would sleep just fine without them. I don't always BUIS, but when I do... I prefer KAC ;p. |
I'm so high speed I don't even take bathroom breaks. That's what dump pouches are for :\.
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Originally Posted By zuko514:
https://i.imgur.com/mAo2MpR.jpg Just assembled my first ar. Anderson lower with CBC indusries build kit. I am always a fan of iron right. However, due to the location and the height of the prism scope, is it even a point to put on the iron sight?I dont think I can use the flip up sight without taking off the prism scope. I used to always run them. When I got into NV I didn't have room with the LAM's on my 10.5's so I ditched the buis. Haven't looked back since. Although I do keep a set of mbus in the admin pouch on my PC (or battle belt, I forget) just in case. The 16 inch AR that still has them.......the scope mount isn't QD lol. Don't get me wrong, I'd still run them if I had the room but it is what it is. |
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Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023:
Your optic should be moved forward to near the front of the receiver. When shooting your nose should be near the charging handle if shooting correctly. I guess it's one "correct" way to shoot. Not bashing, just my opinion. |
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Originally Posted By Italianstallion:
I would run one. Even if it's a plastic Magpul buis. When dropped there is a better chance they will flex and nit break or permanently bend like metal does. There is a test out there proving this. The mbus kicked the shit out if the metal sights. They are cheap and great. Especially if you replace the stock front sight post for askinnier front post for more precision. That's the one legitimate knock on them in stock form. |
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Originally Posted By FullAutoHound:
Everyone mentions those like they are the worst option or barely adequate which is completely false. They are way better than you'd think and imo the only reason Magpul came out with the metal ones is the ignorant masses turned up those noses at the regular mbus. well that and $$ When dropped there is a better chance they will flex and nit break or permanently bend like metal does. There is a test out there proving this. The mbus kicked the shit out if the metal sights. They are cheap and great. Especially if you replace the stock front sight post for askinnier front post for more precision. That's the one legitimate knock on them in stock form. |
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Originally Posted By LastRites: I was under the impression that you can't use a buis with a prism type optic due to prisms having eye relief, but I will admit to being wrong before. They don't have to be on the gun.  Your back-up irons can have back-up dot: 
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Nice necro bump. How was this thread not archived yet? Originally Posted By Sinister: Your back-up irons can have back-up dot: https://jerkingthetrigger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Dueck-Defense-adapter.jpg |
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