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Posted: 6/1/2012 5:05:06 AM EDT
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Just wanted to show the differences between the 7.62x39mm Hornaday Zombie Max 123gr next to the Hornaday V Max 123gr, Both are noncorrosive, berdan primed, polymer coated steel case.
One has ball powder, while the other has stick, and the jacket on the Zombie is twice as thick. wolfgang 
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Hmm thats interesting Indeed, not to mention that the Z-max doesn't seem to be cannelured like the V-Max is. |
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Originally Posted By Slacker: Thanks for this. I always assumed they were the same thing. Same here. Thanks for posting wolfganggross! |
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Very interesting. A similar comparison for .223 would indeed be good.
Also, to the others, I don't believe OP has divulged how he does these cross-sections. I'm appreciative that she shares the results here. ETA: I stand corrected. See below. |
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From this thread...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/575016_9MM_Corbon_DPX_Cutaway.html Originally Posted By wolfganggross:
I seperate everything first then cut everything in half, and glue it all back together. For certain rounds, a underwater grinder is used to keep heat and sparks down while cutting. With the needs of todays "Green" ammo, maybe the ATF is looking the other way. However there are rumors that it might be stopped, or has been stopped already. Will pick up a couple of Gold Dots this weekend. wolfgang You do great work, and I would like to see you consolidate all your threads into one if it was possible... very interesting... |
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Originally Posted By ARsforlife:
Originally Posted By TeeRex:
Interesting. I'd like to see a cut away of the 55 grain in .223. the vmax is a fragmenting varmint round. the .223 zmax has more penetration and less fragmentation than the vmax. same bullet constuction regaurdless of size. How do you know that? |
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Thanks everyone! For those who don't know, the great and powerful Zhukov was kind enough to put some of my earlier threads together, they are under the AR15 Ammo forum FAQS, #16 Ammunition Cross Sections.
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Ammo_Cross_Sections/index.htm Will pick up both in .223, already have one in .45 zmax. Funny how the ones you don't expect much from..... wolfgang |
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Originally Posted By ArmedSerenity:
The V max is the same as the Z max according to Hornady expect the color ( the bullets) I didnt ask if the powder was the same. well then you know they are liars or ignorant. atleast three reports under forensic exam have shown that not to be the case. 
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
How do you know that? i have seen a gel test thats floating around and as i have said the results are the same regaurdless of caliber. the vmax (a round claimed by hornady to be an explosive fragmenting varmint round) fragments more and penetrates less than the more heavily constructed zmax. pretty simple if you do the math. |
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Originally Posted By MagnusM4:
The 7.62x39 Z-max is probably the same thing as the SST rather than the V-max. Yes! Thats what I was thinking. The 7.62x39 Hornady BT load USED to be sold with the V-max bullet. Now it's sold with the SST bullet. The Z-max either started as the V-max also or was always the SST. What I think you have there is an older V-max and current Z-max bullet. The SST will penetrate a little more and stay together just a little more than the Vmax bullet. Both are good rounds for SD in this bullet weight. |
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Cross sections of the .223 Vmax and Zmax would be greatly appreciated. Reloaders have been saying how they are exactly the same and people have been buying tons of the Zmax projectiles because they are significantly less expensive then the Vmax ones. I been told the same thing. |
| I know I've seen some ballistics media tests going around YT (I think tnoutdoors9 is one) making comments on a Z-Max test of how it was nearly identical to the V-Max .223 he tested in a previous video. The .223 Z-Max does have a cantelure (factory loaded) as does the V-Max. I have V-Max .22 bullets since those were available per 100 verse the Z-Max which was per 500 and I didn't know if I'd be shooting that many furry critters with them. |
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dangit, you made me look! Originally Posted By bayonet_shrew: Originally Posted By MRW: bump for 223 sectioning |
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Originally Posted By ARsforlife:
Originally Posted By ArmedSerenity:
The V max is the same as the Z max according to Hornady expect the color ( the bullets) I didnt ask if the powder was the same. well then you know they are liars or ignorant. atleast three reports under forensic exam have shown that not to be the case.
Are you saying that Hornady is lying and/or ignorant about the bullets that they manufacture? Originally Posted By ARsforlife:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
How do you know that? i have seen a gel test thats floating around and as i have said the results are the same regaurdless of caliber. the vmax (a round claimed by hornady to be an explosive fragmenting varmint round) fragments more and penetrates less than the more heavily constructed zmax. pretty simple if you do the math. What "math"? 
Rather than posting nonsensical statements, how about you post some links to the gel test(s) "floating around" to substantiate your claim instead. |
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