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| What parts in a build change a good AR to a great AR. Let’s kind of fit this into a 16” carbine that backs up your home defense pistol. |
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Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: What parts in a build change a good AR to a great AR. Let’s kind of fit this into a 16” carbine that backs up your home defense pistol. A “great” AR would be a rifle put together with real quality control and using proper materials. Parts build is often not cheaper than a complete rifle in this scenario and if you have to ask this question you would be better served buying a complete rifle. ADM, Daniel Defense, Geissele, Centurion, and Colt are a few. |
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I would say the barrel. The upper and lower and basically mil-spec. Maybe you and I like the "right" names rolled into them but they all work about the same. And maybe a really great BCG. Lots of those good names make sure the barrel is really good and pair it with a good BCG. DD etc. I have considered some great even if the trigger is mil-spec but change them as soon as I can. |
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On guns that are mass produced, many share parts suppliers and different parts supplier often have similar manufacturing methods. A major thing that differs an expensive gun from a cheap gun, is the accepted tolerances and deviation of individual parts. If “Company X” makes “duty grade” grade guns, and has a hammer pin that’s a little oversized, but still fits in the lower, it will likely be thrown into the scrap bucket anyway, since it isn’t close enough to spec. If “Company Y” builds “budget” guns and has this same hammer pin that was mentioned a moment ago, the guy on the assembly, is probably just going to smack it into the lower without a second thought. On a gun you’re building or modifying, it is up to you to do decide what parts are “good enough.” Even the nice stuff can give you problems. The only “bad” buffer tube I ever got in terms of proper fitment was from BCM, but it did still work on the finished gun. |
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| IMHO a good barrel, BCG, and FCG are key. The fun thing I see with name brand top tier rifles is if they're over gassed their fan bois will swear it's done that for reliability and it'll keep running through the harshest environment's. On the flip side a PSA that is also over gassed it's because it so out of spec that it's the only way they could make it kinda reliable, but eventually it'll beat itself to death in a short period. Most companies do not manufacture/mill all of their components uppers/lowers and buy from some of the same vendors. |
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Barrel BCG and FCG.. those are the gun core components. Receivers are pretty much standard nowadays if you stick with known brands. But More important IMHO is the QC to ensure reliability.. a rough chamber or loose gas key can turn the best brand AR into a jam machine. |
| Along with the good barrel, good chamber, quality bolt, and properly attached carrier key I would say a 7075 T6 aluminum charging handle plus a quality buffer with the three weights and correct material bumper on the buffer. Lot of cheaply made buffers out there. |
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Upper receiver and barrel. If barrel and receiver are not lapped properly, you won't get a good face-on fit. If the barrel has poor rifling or not crowned properly, that will affect accuracy. If the upper's rails are milled poorly, you will not have accessories setting correctly. All manufacturing has tolerances and ranges where measurements can differ. If the fit and finish between barrel and receiver is not great, the rifle won't be great. BCG, hand guard, etc. can affect overall performance, but a cheap bcg will cycle as good as a $500 bcg. A $100 hand guard will function as well as a $1000 hand guard. They may not LAST as long, but the gun will function great until they fail. |
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Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: What parts in a build change a good AR to a great AR. Let’s kind of fit this into a 16” carbine that backs up your home defense pistol. I hope you're good at filtering out useless answers to your simple question. I see you already have several. |
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Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: What parts in a build change a good AR to a great AR. Let’s kind of fit this into a 16” carbine that backs up your home defense pistol. If you’ve already got a decent quality rifle and you’re looking for the best parts to spend money on to improve the overall quality/performance of the rifle, there’s a couple areas I’d prioritize: -Optic -Weapon light -Trigger -Sling -Suppressor All of these items directly affect how you as the shooter interface with the rifle while using it. The truth is that most “good” rifles that are built within spec will shoot reliably and have very few issues if well maintained. While you can replace things like the barrel or BCG, you’re not really going to see a huge difference from a shooters perspective, especially if the stock parts are within spec. A good trigger makes a huge difference and you notice it every time you use the rifle. Geissele, Larue, etc. are good options. Similarly, a good sling and optic/light setup will make your life easier because you’ll spend more time shooting and less time worrying about/fucking with stuff. Reliable performance is boring and wonderful. |
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1. Is always the barrel. The barrel IS the rifle. 2. Is a propper M16 bolt carrier group if you dont have that already. HP/MPI tested and headspaced. I wont do nitrided bolts and "dislike" NiB coatings. After that it is all just preference. 3. For me is trigger. I run all Geissele 3.5# triggers at this point. Past that there is just preference and "feel" in operation. For example, I love the "feel" of a nicely machined inner receiver extension paired with a polished JP recoil spring. I "prefer" certain furniture and safety selectors. I like a receiver endplated QD socket... others only connect to stock so it is just preference. If you have a junk rail that is polymer or just a clamp fit to the barrel nut with no anti removal or anti rotation features, change that first. I prefer a lower receiver that has a tension bolt to remove slop. I prefer a stock design that has no rattle or slop. But that has zero effect on function. For a defensive rifle I want a decent weaponlight and mount. A decent optic and mount. And a BUIS and a two point sling. Post your rifle up and we can give you our thoughts.. but you might not like them, LOL. |
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Barrel, BCG, and FCG if everything else is in spec and properly gassed makes a good AR A great AR is the above plus every other part hand picked from your favorite parts(assuming they are quality) and the best quality springs, pins, and detents. Eta- talking base rifle before sights and other add ons. |
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A good AR is one you shoot occasionally, has decent enough quality, good enough optics and accessories, and you're reasonably sure it is reliable. A great AR is one you've shot thousands or tens of thousands of rounds through, has excellent and proven optics/accessories, and you know without a doubt is reliable under any and all conditions. It's an extension of you. If I were to break it down further, it would be an excellent trigger, an accurate duty-grade barrel (Colt or DD usually), and a solid BCG. Nothing fancy. For me, it'd be a Colt upper, DD barrel, Toolcraft, Microbest, or Colt BCG, DD RIS or KAC RAS, Eotech or AImpoint optic, Surefire or Modlite light, Geissele S3G, and a quality sling. It would be assembled by me, because I trust my own work far above any factory rifle. I don't have any factory rifles; they've either been rebuilt or parted into other guns. |
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Originally Posted By boltryyder: none of these answers suffice a good gun is one you feel is reliable, a great gun is one you know is reliable....an accurate enough I've seen top tier shyyt the bed and home cooking run circles around them. I've seen the opposite too. reliability is key There is zero prescriptive information in this post. No note of BCG or barrel considerations, the two most important parts of a rifle. |
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If it's a carbine that backs up a home defense pistol, it really doesn't matter, as long as it cycles. Frankly, once you clear the low bar of reliable function, there won't be any objectively measurable difference from AR to another with what most shooters do with their ARs. As far as objective performance goes, ammo makes more difference than any rifle part. My BA barreled, Anderson receivered claptrap with paired ammo will outshoot any DD, SOLGW, Geissele, etc. shooting ball ammo. Limiting the question strictly to rifle parts, it's barrel, trigger, then adjustable gas block for objective differences. For feel, it's charging handle, upper receiver, stock, then handguard. Depending on your use (lasers for example), the handgaurd can be objectively important. It's fun to say the BCG is critical, but once you clear a basic quality threshold (Toolcraft carrier with a proper bolt, AO Precision, etc.), you have 95%+ of what the very top end give you. The bottom line with ARs is outside of specialty applications (medium range+ precision, night shooting, competition, etc.) as long as you don't bottom fish, you hit seriously diminishing returns fast. |
I used to have higher end ARs before kids/responsibilities. Nowadays, its mostly PSA. No major problems yet but QA/QC is always in the back of my mind. Last year, I had a bolt break qualifying on a military M4. I've also noticed FN or Colt triggers on the M4 absolutely suck compared to PSA stock triggers. I think brand worship is stupid although admittedly I have some Magpul products. I try to buy the best product in budget. I am not some Tier 1 operator or a competition shooter....just no garbage for what is essentially home defense and range fun. 
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Geez - I can't believe it took 10 or 11 posts for someone to say "trigger". For me nothing else has a greater impact on my shooting experience. Next I would say the barrel. Depending on your use case you can focus on durability or accuracy (although sometimes you can get both in a single package). Third I'd say BCG. At minimum get a decent Toolcraft or Microbest. If you have the $$$ I'd look at an enhanced BCG. Fourth, maybe play around with buffer and buffer spring and find a combo. that is relatively soft shooting without sacrificing reliability. Fifth, maybe special features - like quick barrel change system and monolithic rail that you get with an LMT. Finally, although not part of the rifle per se, get a decent optic and a solid, reliable mount. Eotech or Aimpoint if you're looking for a red dot. Maybe Holosun to save some money. If going LPVO maybe Primary Arms (or Vector Optics) if on a budget all the way up to something like a Nightforce. |
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Generally when I think of a "great" AR I am thinking of longer range accuracy and the answers to that goal are usually optic, trigger , barrel and decent match ammo. For a home defense carbine the difference between all this stuff just doesn't matter much. Don't cheap out but regular grade brand name off the shelf is going to be OK. Brand name optic that suits my use (red dot or low power) and a basic better than mil spec trigger along with a simple stock that suits me are pretty much all I want. I am a hard core 20 round guy so a couple of good old fashioned aluminum 20s will feed it. Most guys want a light but I keep things simple with hardly any extra 'Stuff" |
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For me, does it go bang when I tell it to, and does it hit what I aim at? If it does that it’s good. Better is subjective, like what shoes are better, it depends on the user. If you can make an improvement that doesn’t negatively affect reliability or accuracy to then go for it. I’m comfortable with my palmetto build and frankenguns, because they work and they hit what I aim at. |
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Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: This is really interesting. I thought it might be more related to having better gas tuning, heavier more tuned buffer, CHF barrel, better trigger, tighter buttstock fit, better cheek weld, etc. You are basically correct. A good manufacture will have this all sorted out. Usually smoother, more accurate, and more reliable(making it work great vs just good enough). |
| Over 15m or so in a home defense scenario is almost certainly murder. Inside 15m you need reliability, you won't notice a difference between a 1/2 moa and 5 moa barrel. Accuracy is nice but not a huge civilian defense concern. Every AR I buy I install a BCM reliability kit on the BCG and dork with the buffer to get reliable ejection pattern with normal ammo. Use PMAGs. Those few things have caused me to not be able to remember the last failure I've had with any of my ARs. The last 25 years have taken the platform to a great spot. |
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Originally Posted By M15A2CLE: This is really interesting. I thought it might be more related to having better gas tuning, heavier more tuned buffer, CHF barrel, better trigger, tighter buttstock fit, better cheek weld, etc. Not necessarily. Outside of a good trigger, many of those things are a matter of use-case, or only tangential to having a great rifle. A heavier buffer can increase barrel dip and slow follow-up shots; a gun that is ported for softer recoil can be less reliable under adverse conditions or varying ammo types. Better cheekweld? A matter of preference. I would argue the SOPMOD stock has one of the best cheekwelds available, but a Colt N1 is also one of my favorite stocks (not remotely as good when it comes to cheekweld). But it's absolutely a stock I use on ARs I consider 'great.' CHF can arguably give you a bit more longevity, but in terms of accuracy and usability, CHF vs. button rifled isn't really a determining factor for "good vs. great." When talking about a quality chrome-lined barrel, it's not going to make much difference for the majority of shooters. And that's from someone who loves DD CHF barrels and puts them in a lot of guns. But I don't consider my Colt button-rifled barrels inferior at all. I suppose my point is, the determination of good or great is highly dependent on what your priorities are. What makes a great 3 Gun AR -- extremely low recoil, lightest possible reciprocating mass, and the least amount of gas -- isn't going to be the same as what makes a great hard-use AR. What makes a great precision AR isn't going to be very good for someone wanting a compact PDW-style AR or an ultra-lightweight AR. And so on. There are a few shared considerations, like trigger quality, but they're all going to vary massively in terms of setup. So, it comes down to your priorities. Great for what purpose? |
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Tough to argue with the above. Best rifle is going to depend on your intended use. If you want to shoot steel out to 600 yards you're going to be looking at something designed for precision. Minimum 18" barrel which will probably be stainless. Maybe a PRS stock. Probably a bipod. Match trigger. Weight won't be much of a consideration. If it's just a range toy you can sacrifice some reliability for accuracy. HD gun, or something you're really only going to shoot inside 50 yards. You don't need 1 MOA accuracy. You probably want a short barrel. Might want to think about adding a suppressor. A hard use gun that you're going to drag through the mud and put 10,000 rounds through. The gun probably won't be soft recoiling and will be pretty gassy. You'll probably want a barrel known for its durability (DD for example). Maybe an enhanced BCG. |
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Originally Posted By Pippinone: Tough to argue with the above. Best rifle is going to depend on your intended use. If you want to shoot steel out to 600 yards you're going to be looking at something designed for precision. Minimum 18" barrel which will probably be stainless. Maybe a PRS stock. Probably a bipod. Match trigger. Weight won't be much of a consideration. If it's just a range toy you can sacrifice some reliability for accuracy. HD gun, or something you're really only going to shoot inside 50 yards. You don't need 1 MOA accuracy. You probably want a short barrel. Might want to think about adding a suppressor. A hard use gun that you're going to drag through the mud and put 10,000 rounds through. The gun probably won't be soft recoiling and will be pretty gassy. You'll probably want a barrel known for its durability (DD for example). Maybe an enhanced BCG. Yes, exactly why you find a manufacturer that has real QC and appropriately specs products for it’s intended use. It’s not that complicated. |
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Originally Posted By krdt: A good AR is one you shoot occasionally, has decent enough quality, good enough optics and accessories, and you're reasonably sure it is reliable. A great AR is one you've shot thousands or tens of thousands of rounds through, has excellent and proven optics/accessories, and you know without a doubt is reliable under any and all conditions. It's an extension of you. If I were to break it down further, it would be an excellent trigger, an accurate duty-grade barrel (Colt or DD usually), and a solid BCG. Nothing fancy. For me, it'd be a Colt upper, DD barrel, Toolcraft, Microbest, or Colt BCG, DD RIS or KAC RAS, Eotech or AImpoint optic, Surefire or Modlite light, Geissele S3G, and a quality sling. It would be assembled by me, because I trust my own work far above any factory rifle. I don't have any factory rifles; they've either been rebuilt or parted into other guns. This. As far as consistently 'well made' rifles, I've been most impressed with Colt/DD/KAC. |
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100% reliability is the main thing. Historical accuracy is a close second for me. The rifles/carbines I am building recreate military models, the more accurate to reality the better. I am willing to compromise slightly for safety and/or reliability. |
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