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1/31/2025 11:28:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Klovis][Edited]
What is the ATFs look on this? I searched and found a thread from 2017 talking about it but nothing since they have been changing their views back and forth on everything. I saw their wording was 90* and the BCM gets a pass for being 89* but just wanted to be sure i was okay to throw one on my new BLK pistol build.
2/1/2025 5:47:06 AM EDT
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BCM gets a pass?

Elaborate please.


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2/1/2025 6:49:43 AM EDT
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If it's 26" OAL folded, and you add a VFG it magically becomes an "other".
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2/1/2025 7:55:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:


BCM gets a pass?

Elaborate please.


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yeah.... at least thats what ive seen in the past. Their "vertical foregrip" is at 89* to bypass the 90* literature in the ATF's ruling.

Now.... if that still holds true i have no idea. Read about this years ago before i got into the pistol game.

Now that im here.... im looking for something that still qualifies as a pistol without having to go the SBR route.

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2/1/2025 7:56:48 PM EDT
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If it's 26" OAL folded, and you add a VFG it magically becomes an "other".
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Mine doesnt fold.... :(

I may just end up doing the tax stamp so i can just put whatever i want on it.
2/1/2025 10:58:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Klovis:

Mine doesnt fold.... :(

I may just end up doing the tax stamp so i can just put whatever i want on it.
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Originally Posted By Klovis:
Originally Posted By backbencher:
If it's 26" OAL folded, and you add a VFG it magically becomes an "other".

Mine doesnt fold.... :(

I may just end up doing the tax stamp so i can just put whatever i want on it.


Doesn't need to fold.  If it makes 26" OAL w/ the buffer tube, you can add a VFG w/o a stamp per ATF this week.
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2/3/2025 7:11:52 PM EDT
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Doesn't need to fold.  If it makes 26" OAL w/ the buffer tube, you can add a VFG w/o a stamp per ATF this week.
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does the suppressor count for length?
2/3/2025 8:58:03 PM EDT
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does the suppressor count for length?
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Originally Posted By Klovis:
Originally Posted By backbencher:  Doesn't need to fold.  If it makes 26" OAL w/ the buffer tube, you can add a VFG w/o a stamp per ATF this week.


does the suppressor count for length?


Not unless it's permanently attached via an ATF approved method - ie, 1000 degree silver solder or pin & weld.
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2/4/2025 12:47:48 AM EDT
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Not unless it's permanently attached via an ATF approved method - ie, 1000 degree silver solder or pin & weld.
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well damn! I guess i'll have to measure when i get home from work.

thank you for all the info!
2/4/2025 3:36:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Klovis:


well damn! I guess i'll have to measure when i get home from work.

thank you for all the info!
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Originally Posted By backbencher:  Not unless it's permanently attached via an ATF approved method - ie, 1000 degree silver solder or pin & weld.


well damn! I guess i'll have to measure when i get home from work.

thank you for all the info!


IIRC, you need an 11.5" bbl to make 26" w/ a standard buffer tube.  You can always throw a rifle tube on it & sling that over your shoulder.  My 1st AR was a 16" HB w/ a rifle tube as an AR pistol.
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