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Posted: 1/10/2016 6:08:18 PM EDT
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Federal 62 Grain Fusion vs Federal 62 Grain Fusion MSR vs Speer LE 62 Grain Gold Dot Attached File The muzzle velocities shown in the tables below were obtained back-to-back during the same chronograph session using recent lots of all three of the Fusion/Gold Dot loads chrongographed. Atmospheric Conditions Temperature: 73 degrees F (plus or minus one degree) Barometric Pressure: 29.68 inches of Hg Humidity: 62% Altitude: 950 feet above sea level Muzzle velocities from a 20” Colt M16A2 barrel with a NATO chamber, chrome lining and a 1:7” twist. Attached File Muzzle velocities from a 14.5 Noveske N4 light barrel with a NATO chamber, chrome lining and a 1:7’ twist. Attached File 10-shot groups were fired from one of my precision AR-15s with a Lothar-Walther barrel with a 223 Wylde chamber and a 1:8” twist. The groups were fired from the bench at a distance of 100 yards with the same sight settings on the scope for each of the three groups. Attached File Attached File Attached File . Attached File Left to right: 1. 62 grain Fusion, 2. 62 grain Gold Dot, 3. 64 grain Gold Dot, 4. 75 grain Gold Dot ... |
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Great post!!
I grabbed some of the standard Fusion from Mass Ammo on Black Friday so from looking at this test it appears to be slightly more accurate (in your rifle) but a little slower than the MSR version. Did you notice any difference with regards to primers between them as far as pressure signs? |
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Originally Posted By jlficken:
Did you notice any difference with regards to primers between them as far as pressure signs? Nothing that I noticed. These are all 223 Remington loads. |
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Originally Posted By Buck_Naked:
Any chance you pulled a bullet and measured length? What is your opinion or thoughts in shooting any of these rounds out of a 1 in 9" barrel? Curious how this might perform in a AUG... I'll pull one and measure it, but a 1:9" twist is great for these. ... |
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Originally Posted By Molon: I'll pull one and measure it, but a 1:9" twist is great for these. ... Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Buck_Naked: Any chance you pulled a bullet and measured length? What is your opinion or thoughts in shooting any of these rounds out of a 1 in 9" barrel? Curious how this might perform in a AUG... I'll pull one and measure it, but a 1:9" twist is great for these. ... I also want to say its great to see your posts again! I always enjoy the information you provide! |
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Originally Posted By Molon: 0.808" ... Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Buck_Naked: Any chance you pulled a bullet and measured length? 0.808" ... https://www.federalpremium.com/products/brands/fusion.aspx The bullet design is more traditional than I expected, with apparent enhancements made through the way the jacket appears to be bonded (fused) to the core... Thanks again Molon! |
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Originally Posted By Buck_Naked: Thanks! I was expecting the bullet to be longer... I hadn't seen a cross section and I thought there was more copper in the base... did a search for a cross section and found this link: https://www.federalpremium.com/products/brands/fusion.aspx The bullet design is more traditional than I expected, with apparent enhancements made through the way the jacket appears to be bonded (fused) to the core... Thanks again Molon! Originally Posted By Buck_Naked: Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Buck_Naked: Any chance you pulled a bullet and measured length? 0.808" ... https://www.federalpremium.com/products/brands/fusion.aspx The bullet design is more traditional than I expected, with apparent enhancements made through the way the jacket appears to be bonded (fused) to the core... Thanks again Molon! The pic below shows the cross section of a 64 grain Gold Dot, which has a length of 0.825" and is nearly identical in construction to the 62 grain versions along with the cross section of the 62 grain Fusion. Attached File Attached File Attached File .... |
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Originally Posted By BMad316:
Outstanding work Molon! Have you by any chance tested either the Gold Dot or Fusion MSR 150gr in .308? I have not. |
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The primer of the Fusion MSR . . . Attached File Attached File .... |
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Originally Posted By ocshaman:
Has anyone offered you your own subforum yet? I think they'd be afraid of me getting my hands on the ban-hammer. 
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Originally Posted By Molon:
I think they'd be afraid of me getting my hands on the ban-manner.
... Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By ocshaman:
Has anyone offered you your own subforum yet? I think they'd be afraid of me getting my hands on the ban-manner.
... Hammer* :P Will you be doing a 75gr gdsp review? |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Hammer* :P Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By ocshaman:
Has anyone offered you your own subforum yet? I think they'd be afraid of me getting my hands on the ban-manner.
... Hammer* :P Time for me to get some sleep. 
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Hammer* :P Will you be doing a 75gr gdsp review? Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By ocshaman:
Has anyone offered you your own subforum yet? I think they'd be afraid of me getting my hands on the ban-manner.
... Hammer* :P Will you be doing a 75gr gdsp review? When the weather warms up. |
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. Attached File Left to right: 1. 62 grain Fusion, 2. 62 grain Gold Dot, 3. 64 grain Gold Dot, 4. 75 grain Gold Dot ... |
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
So, can we say that the Fed. Fusion 62gr is the same bullet as the 62gr Gold Dot? I cannot discern any difference, except maybe with the cannelure. But that may just be me or the lighting in the picture... To me it looks like the 62gr gold dot has a fatter ogive than the 62gr fusion bullet. |
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Originally Posted By BigHunt:
I just scored 500 rounds of the Speer 64 Grain Gold Dot from Palmetto State Armory for $9.99 a box plus shipping! Should be enough to last me a lifetime for SD and Hunting use. I just picked several boxes myself. I think this is good hunting/self defense ammo for the money at $9.99 box. |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Have you compared the powder charge in the MSR, Fusion, and Gold Dot LE 62gr loadings? 62 grain Fusion MSR . . . 23.9 grains 62 grain Fusion . . . . . . . 24.5 grains 62 grain Gold Dot LE . . . 24.8 grains ... |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Will you be doing a 75gr gdsp review? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/694384_Range_Report___Speer_LE_75_Grain_Gold_Dot.html ... |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Will you be doing a 75gr gdsp review? I'm still waiting for the weather to cooperate to obtain the chronograph data. ... Chronograph data is now up. |
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Originally Posted By yobo:
I've fired all 3 of these ammo in one of my 18" 1-7" twist AR hunting rifle and they seemed like identical load. All 3 had very similar/same velocity and accuracy. Best of all they have same POA/POI out of that rifle when I shoot 5 round groups. I was wandering the same thing. I noticed with Molon's post the POI was very similar to justify buying whichever is available at the time. I seriously doubt any major POI differences with any of these rounds. Your post also help steer me in the direction of keeping this round for hunting purposes. |
| I reload the Fusion 62 grain bullets with CFE 223 with 27.3 grains to get out of a 18" barrel 2872 fps. I shot a 20 round box of Federal Fusion MSR as the control group and matched my reloads to match the same fps out to the same rifle. I measured it with a Magnetospeed V3. With my reloads the group size is less than 1". It is very accurate out to 400 yards. I have not shot it any further. It is my SHTF load. Has almost the same point of aim/point of impact as the 62 FMJ bullet with steel penetrator. Perhaps .5 " different at 400 yards. I practice with 62 FMJ, but for personal defense it is the Fusion I would use. I have not seen any overpressure signs on the primers or cases. I have shot perhaps 500 rounds and all are consistent in accuracy. The Fusion bullet does not penetrate as far as the FMJ on hard surfaces such as wood, or metal, but on a soft target it destroys it. It is a very good hunting round. A friend uses them on deer and raves about how accurate and consistent the 308 Fusion has been. |
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Originally Posted By Appalachian_Hollers:
I wish the pictures would still show up on this thread. It's almost impossible to read for reference, now. Not sure how to find a comprehensive list of what's archived, but if you put "molon [name of ammo you're looking for]" in Google, you can sometimes find an archived page with pics still intact. |
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Thank You from everyone !! ( And sure miss Molons dogged pursuit for our benefit ) FWIW... this link will help with your google search.. Molon Reference Links |
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Originally Posted By Glock9mm1990: Would like to see them fixed as well. Originally Posted By Glock9mm1990: Originally Posted By 11C1P: Any chance of getting the images fixed? Would like to see them fixed as well. additional broken picture-links repaired |
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