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2/6/2016 8:53:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wolfganggross][Edited]
Photobucket has tighten the screws on me, and had to delete 980 pics out of my 1000 photo album.  So will be mass posting to save time and sanity.  Please save and use as you want for free, but they won't be around long. If you want to see older pictures, please request and will repost. Enjoy  wolfganggross

Pin fires - (2) 7mm and (1) 9mm BB plus one large labeled "HB PARIS" ( Came from junk boxes, bullets either crumbling or non existent.)



30.06 - Guard FA/03/10, Match FA/30/R Berdan primed, Mexico FM/43 wood bullet, single primer hole and with 2 different powders!



5.45 - Ball, Final weapons proof, Barrel proof (Edited)



Misc 9mm - last one has a blue tip and fins that open up on rear of projectile



7.7 mm API Hardened steel core with white phosphorous in the tip

2/6/2016 9:06:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Extremely cool. Thank you.

When I take a new person out to shoot clays, I like to deconstruct the shell as I explain what happens after they pull the trigger.

It's harder to do with non shotgun shells
2/6/2016 9:08:03 AM EDT
[#2]
Cool stuff, thanks for sharing
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2/6/2016 12:23:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Really cool to see how those old pinfires worked.

Thanks for sharing, and I use Flicker vs photobucket, and their rules.
Plus I have all my firearms related flicker pictures private. What nobody can see, nobody can report.
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2/6/2016 1:37:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Thank You for sharing !

I never really thought about how "Pinfire" cartridges worked.....now I am going to have to read about it.
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JAFOM
2/6/2016 2:04:04 PM EDT
[#5]
Great pictures man. Fuck photobucket.
2/6/2016 9:31:07 PM EDT
[#6]
Wolf, your stuff is so useful and informative, I think ARFCOM should find you some storage space for your pictures.  

Those pinfires must have been a bear to section!
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2/6/2016 11:12:32 PM EDT
[#7]
What's the difference on the 5.45 ball, proof and reference loads?  Materials used and purpose of those rounds?
2/7/2016 7:21:41 AM EDT
[#8]
I always enjoy these threads from you. Please keep it up!
2/7/2016 8:04:32 AM EDT
[#9]
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Originally Posted By Useafortyfive:
What's the difference on the 5.45 ball, proof and reference loads?  Materials used and purpose of those rounds?
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Was a little off on this one, sorry.  
Proofs are usually loaded 20-30% hotter, more powder, to test the function of the weapon, and to make sure it won't blow up.  The black tip (called UZ) is a final weapons proof, and the yellow tip (called VD) is a barrel proof.  NOT a reference, that would have been white, which is held to tight tolerances while loading, for ballistic studies.

I grind the projectile (underwater).  The steel core, hardened or mild in this case, can be cut flat and the entire cartridge is glued back together for final finishing.  If you see a section with Tungsten Carbide core, it will be left whole.  (Can't find much to cut that stuff.)
2/7/2016 4:37:56 PM EDT
[#10]
NATO and CIS standards rely on "reference" cartridges.  These are rounds assembled to extremely exacting precision standards, and they are used as baseline measurements for both pressure and function.  NATO's specs require not just maintaining specific pressure tolerances, but for primers and complete rounds to fire within a specific length of time as well.  So "reference" rounds are THE standard against which production rounds are measured.
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