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Comparison of IR Lasers/Illuminators (Page 6 of 7)
How is it they they have never been sold to the public but there are a bunch on here(other brands of IR lasers)?? i don't really know that much about them, but if I could get one cheap should I? I mean if the Atilla is so rare then, it would be a good possibility it cam from somewhere other than a civilian...illegaly? |
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It is illegal for the manufactors to sell directly to civillians, but the posession of an IR laser is legal.So many units come from LE depts or millitary surplus(not anymore). Many of the IR lasers you see for sale are the surplus units or units that have been converted to IR.BTW, there a few small shops building IR laser "kits"which are missing a part(tailcap switch) so it's not considered a complete IR laser, which gives us a loophole to purchase them. Another option is ordering out of Europe or Hong Kong. |
thanks for the info Wes1
My understanding is that the Issue with IR lasers is that the FDA is the problem. They want a way for the user to know when the unit is activated (like a visible LED), and most tactical lasers don't have a way to do this without compromising the users position. This is why the Corsak lasers were available for sale and had a visible LED on them. As for the conversions and kits, I just had a reputable vendor convert an OTAL for me. Hope to take it to a buddy's to try out this weekend-my goggles walked out of my apartment last year so I'm shopping for a -14. Dave |
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Hi Dave...The newer models of most IR lasers these days that includes the PEQ, DBAL A (2) and Atilla's do have a "laser on" small led light. The LED's for theses unit are VERY dim and are located in a recessed type area except for the DBAL. The DBAL unit is the only one that I have issue with. It's not that it gives my position away, the issue is the LED is located on the back of the unit! If you mount the unit on the 12:00 o'clock position of your rail it's direct viewing of ones NOD! About 2 years ago, I received an early proto of the DBAL to test. I had the usual chu-chu train of NOD, EO and DBAL located on the top rail....When I powered up the 14 for the first time with this scenario, I was immediately seeing halo/glow out in (what appeared) in front of my rifle. It took me over an hour to figure out what the heck I was seeing!  I went from thinking it was my EO, to my 14, before I removed each piece of gear to realize it was the darn DBAL's tiny LED unit located on the back of the unit!!  Of course naked eye, it was barely visible, but with a NOD magnifying light 30,000 times, you can only imagine. Anyways, you are correct, the FDA is the issue and the issue is an IR laser is invisible and if a IR laser would enter someone's eye, the person has no blink reflex like they would with a visible laser, thus ALL IR lasers are restricted from the FDA even though some are titled "eye safe". They are NOT illegal to own, just illegal for a manufacture to sell new to civilians. Hope this helps. Vic |
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That they are!! 
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Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
So could I have a LEO buddy buy me one? Would that be legal? |
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DevL, do you know what companies sell to the individual officer? |
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Unfortunaltey, IR laser manufactures must sell to the LE or Fed dept. via a P.O. and dropped shipped to their Dept. There is not individgual officer sales. Hope this helps. Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
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"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
| I bought my PEQ-2A directly from insight when I was doing a tour in Iraq; The cost was $986.00 GSA now has them at $1,032.00). A buddy of mine just purchased one directly from insight via ADS and he does some PSA work overseas as a contractor. There are ways to get them legally, but the question is - do you really need it? |
Im mil, so can I just email them and order one then? |
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| I would assume Insight would sale to you provided you were deployed as I was, however, if you are not then they could only sale directly to your unit on unit letterhead for verification. Contractors get them because of the business conducted - The Blackwater and D.A.R.C. guys purchase theirs through their business and sale them online when they return (good markup). I plan to sale mine when I retire in a year being as there is no reason for me to hold on to it (but I would only sale it to a military or a LE guy that could truely put it to use). |
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CONFIRMATION: For my boys in Blue Insights Technology will sell to the individual LEO. I took approxiametly 2 months to receive my PEQ2. Here are a few pics for proof. Sorry guys i'm not a photographer sorry. Inisights Technology AN/PEQ 2A Price LEO: $887.03 Shipped After a wait for almost 2 months I finally got the PEQ2. I had the paperwork all sent 2 months ago. I wanted to do a write up but I felt I did not want to give false hope if I could not purchase the PEQ2. I kept on reading on this Topic that LEO's couldn't get it. I decided some people might not know the truth and are just feeding off of what somebody could not confirm or misinformation that was fed from the dealers selling the PEQ2's. I decided to check for myself by emailing a few companies. I received one no and one yes but we don't sell to individual LEO's. I figured then the dealers might be wrong or just don't sell straight out to LEO's. I figured i'll just cut the crap and head straight to the source. Insights Technology itself. I decided to go to their home web page. I looked up the LEO section and emailed. This is the email. NOTE I DELETED MY NAME AND REPLACED WITH PUNISHER54 PUNISHER54 Linda is on a day off She will be back in on Monday and she will be able to help you Pat -----Original Message----- From: PUNISHER54 To: Poirier, Patrick Sent: Fri Oct 05 16:07:13 2007 Subject: RE: LEO PD Around what time is the best time to get a hold of linda harms. I attempted to call her but I received no answer. "Poirier, Patrick" <[email protected]> wrote: Officer P You can FAX everything to the 603-668-1084 FAX number, which you will need your request to purchase on your departmental letter head with a shipping address to the department, the IR agreement form and once that has been sent in you can call Linda Harms at 603-551-6033 and give her a credit card number directly. That way your number isn’t sitting on any paperwork and it is put right into the system to start the order. Linda is the person that enters all of the orders to production; she will also be able to give an approximate delivery date. Pat Pat Poirier Law Enforcement Product Specialist INSIGHT TECH. 23 Industrial Dr. Londonderry, NH 03053 [email protected] www.insighttechnology.com 603-551-6035 - Work 603-668-1084 - Fax ________________________________ From: PUNISHER54 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:53 PM To: Poirier, Patrick Subject: RE: LEO El Paso PD What form of payment to you accept. Also do I use the fax number below to send the paper work. Thanks again patrick. "Poirier, Patrick" <[email protected]> wrote: Officer P, The price of the AN/PEQ-2A is $887.03 each which includes shipping. I have attached the IR agreement for you to fill out and your request will need to be on your departmental letterhead. Let me know when you are ready to order the AN/PEQ-2A. Pat Pat Poirier Law Enforcement Product Specialist INSIGHT TECH. 23 Industrial Dr. Londonderry, NH 03053 [email protected] www.insighttechnology.com 603-551-6035 - Work 603-668-1084 - Fax ________________________________ From: PUNISHER54] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:40 PM To: Poirier, Patrick Subject: RE: LEO PD Thank you Patrick for the quick reply. I don't think I should have a problem doing that. Where can I find this IR agreement form and how much is it for each AN/PEQ-2A. Thanks again Patrick "Poirier, Patrick" <[email protected]> wrote: Officer P The purchase of the AN/PEQ-2A would have to be shipped to your police department, your request to purchase would have to be on departmental letterhead and you would have to do the IR agreement form before the order can be processed. You can purchase the AN/PEQ-2A direct or through one of our dealers. Let me know if I can be or any other assistance. Pat Pat Poirier Law Enforcement Product Specialist INSIGHT TECH. 23 Industrial Dr. Londonderry, NH 03053 [email protected] www.insighttechnology.com 603-551-6035 - Work 603-668-1084 - Fax ________________________________ From: PUNISHER54] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:45 PM To: Poirier, Patrick Subject: LEO PD I'm a Officer with Police Department in Texas. I was wondering if you sell the PEQ2 to Officers or do I have to buy it from a retailer. Can you help me as to how one can be acquired. This is my personal email and is the quicker way to reach me. Thank you. PUNISHER54 ENJOY. 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This post is in the right location. Good info as Insight has changed their policies very recently. NVEC/DRS has also opened some of their lasers to the LE community as well. The IR form (if it's the same form as before) talks about how to dispose of the unit as well. They cannot be sold back to the general public. |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
| I would also post this as a new thread in the lights and lasers section. I just realized we're in the laser comparison thread. |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Do you know if they would do a personal sale to active duty mil? |
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| Wow, I really learned alot in this thread! Really bites for those in the .mil that wnat to pay for a good piece of kit, but can't get the suppliers to sell to them. Or Ihave to pay 2.5k or more for a used piece of equipment. So now I have to ask, anyone know a reputable dealer/repair shop that can convert an OTAL to IR? |
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I wish the Army issued them to the individual so that when you get PCS orders you would take it with you to your new location. I am in Korea now and we have almost no equipment back here in Daegu. I know the guys up near the DMZ have what they need but in the day of total warfare letting the Soldiers keep the items they need would make us more ready. It would be just as easy to inventory things like lites and lasers and no one is going to get in too much trouble with them unless they start shining the lasers in others eyes. I would think having the Soldiers turn them into the arms room would work but having been to war and having the items I needed and now being prepared to fight if I have to without it seems rather ironic. All the guys in Iraq loved any IR device they could get their hands on and for good reason the Army still owns the night. God bless, David Korea |
| FYI for those deployed contractors - if your compnay is willing to let you use the DOS end user (or DOD) you can order them, technically it is the companies -- but most will let you keep it if you order it on your CC. |
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I agree but in reality once people realized how much they could sell them for to civvies you'd be seeing them all over ebay... |
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......and the market would self-correct! |
Never make another person a priority when they merely see you as an option...
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
No because jackasses would pay it. Just like $600 aimpoints, $4.30cent gas, and $3 bottles of water. |
So still no individual mil sales? Who would be the person to talk to regarding this, if I supply a memo signed by either my CO or battalion CO to go along with the IR agreement, I should still be good, correct? It would be great if every active duty unit were given an initial issue of PEQ's for their rifles, but so far the only NV anything I have in my arms room is PVS-7A's that I cannot even mount to an ACH mount. There are deploying Joes in need, time for the industry to step up. |
I just shot some emails to Insight Technologies from my .mil address. Here's hoping! |
Any update? 
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I'm curious what became of this. Hayes Research doesn't seem to be around any more, which leaves out future availability the IWAL2. A combo unit like it would be great for civvies. |
I see this link is now dead. Does anyone know if it is gone altogether or was there a change in URL? |
Boy that was a bit back there before we had a NV forum!  Indeed this site is now gone sorta speak. I will check with KevinB to see if there is another link. It was a great source of information on IR laser gear.
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[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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Originally Posted By nf9648:
Originally Posted By Victor:
Originally Posted By SD307:
May I humbly request you post this in the Night vision section? This post is in the right location. Good info as Insight has changed their policies very recently. NVEC/DRS has also opened some of their lasers to the LE community as well. The IR form (if it's the same form as before) talks about how to dispose of the unit as well. They cannot be sold back to the general public. So still no individual mil sales? Who would be the person to talk to regarding this, if I supply a memo signed by either my CO or battalion CO to go along with the IR agreement, I should still be good, correct? It would be great if every active duty unit were given an initial issue of PEQ's for their rifles, but so far the only NV anything I have in my arms room is PVS-7A's that I cannot even mount to an ACH mount. There are deploying Joes in need, time for the industry to step up. I've wondered this myself |
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We are now an "OFFICIAL" INSIGHT DISTRIBUTOR, so all you Mil and LE guys give us a call for your IR needs. Be glad to help out. We've been waiting for awhile to get the proper paperwork going. We're all good to go now. Thanks
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The Good old Corsak 16i. What a sweet little laser . Built like a brick house. I use to have an AR15 with one that just went and went withot anyproblems whatso ever. I had mine setup and zeroed perfectly at 100 meters using a 14.5" 1/7 twist 5.56 using Lake City SS109 62 grain. That little sucker would make sweet 2 inch groups at 100 meters. Took a while to finally get it dialed in properly. I used a gun vise to help with thepain in the butt site in process.
I wish they still sold them. Soviet Bazzar was awesome. It was a sad day when they went to the way side. If anyone is looking for a compatable unit go to nightvisionuk.com |
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My MARS-IR unit arrived today. Haven't zeroed it yet but I did take it out for some nighttime fun.
The beam is nicely collimated. It's not nearly as powerful as some of the US IR laser products but it's nice for aiming. The zero-to-red-dot feature is fantastic for those who have a logistical problem finding ranges that will let them shoot at night. The pressure switch is very solid. It doesn't look like a Gorilla could rip it off. It's pricey but when you factor in the weight savings of having a red dot and IR laser in one package (and thus no need for a metal quad rail) it's a much lighter, more balanced package than an independent laser. |
Comparison of IR Lasers/Illuminators (Page 6 of 7)
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