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Posted: 9/4/2024 5:53:58 PM EDT
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I currently am searching for a good solvent to clean my ar15’s and my scar 16, for oil I use ballistal on carriers (the spray can) and ballistal guncer (ceramic gun oil) on bolts and on pistons, I don’t shoot super high volume so it works, however I do plan on upping my game to shooting every weekend, what are your thoughts on breakthrough’s oils and cleaners ? Anyone know what battlefield Vegas cleans and oils with ? |
| I'm using Ballistol for cleaning and lube. It works great, and I've grown to like the licorice stinky feet smell. It works on my boots and cutting boards as well. |
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| Ed's Red. One part each of mineral spirits, ATF, kerosene, and acetone. Dip parts in it, or apply generously and soak overnight. It makes hellish good penetrative oil too. If you're in a hurry, spray carb or brake cleaner will work, wipe down with an oil rag as the solvent will pull the oil off the surface. |
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You're better off splitting products for specific purposes. For cleaning of carbon, copper, and powder fouling a dedicated bore solvent does a better/faster job. What bore solvent is whatever you try and works. You can use a CLP to do it all, but it's slower and not as deep a cleaner as a dedicated bore solvent. For key parts like the bolt and bolt carrier a dedicated carbon cleaner might be better for carbon, although some of the copper solvents work well on carbon too. You can also use a mechanical bolt and bolt carrier carbon remover device like the C.A.T. 4 tool. or the Magna-Matic. Choose a good lubricant of your choice....they all work well. For the AR's a CLP works very well, but it's really a slower cleaner, and is better at lubrication and protection. One advantage of a CLP is that the cleaner action keeps fouling soft so moving parts can sweep it out of the way and continue working longer. |
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Originally Posted By Small_white_D: I currently am searching for a good solvent to clean my ar15’s and my scar 16, for oil I use ballistal on carriers (the spray can) and ballistal guncer (ceramic gun oil) on bolts and on pistons, I don’t shoot super high volume so it works, however I do plan on upping my game to shooting every weekend, what are your thoughts on breakthrough’s oils and cleaners ? Anyone know what battlefield Vegas cleans and oils with ? They use Slip 2000 if I remember right but more so because to comply with OSHA requirements for hazardous disposal. Everyone has their favorite oil and grease, but I would say you should test out your Ballistol over the weekend shooting. You should have 0 issues shooting your entire session and unless you plan on shooting 1000s of rounds per session, I cannot imagine you'd run into any issue. I think you're buying too much into the whole oil thing. That's precisely what those gun oil companies want you to think that you have to use their products or your rifle will explode into a molting mess. |
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Battlefield uses Slipp 2000, I'm fairly sure for lube purposes. I don't know if they use it for cleaning though. They probably have several large sonic machine cleaners. As far as a solvent, I've never used Battleborn. Hoppes #9 is well liked. For tougher jobs, involving copper remover, Hoppes Black is good. There are better cleaners, as in more harsh, but those two should suffice. One that I use for tougher jobs is Carbon Killer by Slipp 2000. Just remember to shake it before use. I really only use it for the bolt tail and that's it. The other cleaners mentioned above do fine everywhere else other than the bolt tail. Any brake cleaner, preferably unchlorinated, is very effective for blasting out the star chamber once you loosen debris by using a star chamber brush and a good cleaner. Then, follow with light oiling. For oiling a chamber and barrel, were large amounts of oil shouldn't exist, I like to use Horday's One Shot dry lube. It also acts as a cleaner as the dry lube is carried by a powerful solvent, so it evaporates quickly. IOW, scrub the star chamber with brush and cleaner, spray with brake cleaner to flush, then dry oil with Hornady One Shot. Hornady makes two kinds of One Shot, so if you go that route, get the correct one. For super tough bore jobs, people have their preferences and I hear a lot about "foaming" bore cleaners. Just protect the chamber and barrel when you're done. Brake cleaner really is a good tool because it's under pressure, and flushes out things a patch cannot reach. It's cheaper per ounce than other gun sprays. If you get carb cleaner, which is stronger, it will eat at plastics, rubber and certain finishes. So, be careful there. If you have an LPVO/Scope, get yourself a scope cover to help protect it when using spray cleaners. Amazon has some. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: How so? Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Originally Posted By kingoftheriver: I'll add one thing: Get an air compressor. Compressed air is your friend when cleaning guns. RCA How so? Hose it down with brake cleaner, blast it with compressed air. |
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Originally Posted By Small_white_D: Anyone know what battlefield Vegas cleans and oils with ? Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: I talked about this in length in another thread. We've had many companies send us samples and we've had sales rep's show up telling us how much better their products is than others. We even had a sales rep actually eat some of his product to demonstrate it's safety to us (if my armorers couldn't tell the difference between lube and gum/dip and accidentally ate some, I don't think they would be working for me). Some require a whole protocol in order to use it properly and after following the protocol, there was no notable difference that WE noticed as I am not saying their claims weren't true. All of the lubes we have ever used worked as long as we continued to lube the weapons. Some lubes lasted longer than others but again... they ALL worked as advertised. My biggest concern is making sure it's safe for my employees and there are no issues with EPA, OSHA and disposal of the rags with the residue. Slip2000 fit our business model perfectly. Up until about three weeks ago, the main lube we were using was Slip 2000 and the grease was also made by Slip2000. We had a rep at a local country festival give one of my managers a case of Lucas Gun Oil. The armorers asked if we could use it and I told them to get the MSDS's for it and make sure the service company didn't have an issue with cleaning the rags with it. They didn't and we tried it out. My RSO's immediately noticed that it wasn't spraying any "mist" after being lubed. That is huge for use because so many people come dressed really nice (on their way to a dinner or show after) and they could actually put more lube in the gun and keep the weapons "wet" longer. Slip2000 did the least amount of "misting" after lube but the Lucas does even better. My RSO's like it because less chance of getting lube on a customers clothes and better chance of getting tipped  We continue to use the Slip2000 grease on all of the other heavy weapons like the MG42's, M60's, 240's, etc. The only weapons to get their own special lube are the M134 miniguns. We only use TW-25 on all of our M134's. V/R Ron https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/High_round_count_AR_M4_s__over_100_000_rounds__and_how_they_have_handled_on_our_range/118-677135/? |
Can't never could 'til try came along.
"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless
R.I.P. to the EE
"All welchers should be removed from the EE".-Aimless
R.I.P. to the EE
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: How so? Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Originally Posted By kingoftheriver: I'll add one thing: Get an air compressor. Compressed air is your friend when cleaning guns. RCA How so? Compressed air gets all the grit out of spaces you cannot get to with rags, like the FCG. RCA |
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