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Posted: 9/24/2024 9:04:50 PM EDT
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Apparently the red n tacky had a supply issue and halted for a while. They decided to redo the formula with a different base and additive. They went from a lithium base to some calcium base. Anyone tried it on firearms yet? Looks like the local auto zone is now stocking up the 1lbs tubs again. From what I understand lubriplate 130a was a calcium based grease but it had such a low temperature threshold but yet Lucas is saying their new formula has even better than their previous 540 degrees melting point. |
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I sell truckloads of the stuff and have had some people mention performance issues, and base oil separation. It remains to be seen how much is perception vs reality. If you're looking for a good lithium general purpose grease, the mystik JT6 high temp red is still a really good performer and priced right. A lot of manufacturers are going to transition to calcium thickeners due to the cost of lithium. Chevron has already started transitioning a few of their lines. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I still have about 10 lifetimes worth of the old red and tacky Yep. One little tub will last for generations. |
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Originally Posted By Homesteader375: I use it on my tractor. There are no places on the AR platform where heavy grease is a good thing. I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. That's the beauty of the freedom we fought for. Choice. That said, all of the debris a DI system spits back into the receiver is sticking to that grease. I stick to lube designed to deal with that. That's not the same for every firearm and no lubrication strategy is right for every gun. |
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Originally Posted By Homesteader375: That's the beauty of the freedom we fought for. Choice. That said, all of the debris a DI system spits back into the receiver is sticking to that grease. I stick to lube designed to deal with that. That's not the same for every firearm and no lubrication strategy is right for every gun. I always used grease since I'm a M1 platform. I used the older Lucas formula with the lithium thickener. It works very well. Not sure about the new stuff. I'm using tw25b right now but maybe move back to lucas after I'm done with that. Grease has never failed me, even for 1000s of rounds during some classes. I don't take classes often but when I do my rifle tend to be lasting longer than normal. The class I went to last time I was using Froglube actually and used some of the paste like grease on the carrier and bolt. It lasted well after everyone else was re-lubing theirs and even asked me how I managed to not have a problem all day. The one before that I was using cherry balmz grease and that too seemed to have lasted way longer than anyone else's setup. Not sure how you're applying it, but you have to be precise in the application and only put a dab of grease in the area where it rubs. A tub of grease will last you a very long time. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: I always used grease since I'm a M1 platform. I used the older Lucas formula with the lithium thickener. It works very well. Not sure about the new stuff. I'm using tw25b right now but maybe move back to lucas after I'm done with that. Grease has never failed me, even for 1000s of rounds during some classes. I don't take classes often but when I do my rifle tend to be lasting longer than normal. The class I went to last time I was using Froglube actually and used some of the paste like grease on the carrier and bolt. It lasted well after everyone else was re-lubing theirs and even asked me how I managed to not have a problem all day. The one before that I was using cherry balmz grease and that too seemed to have lasted way longer than anyone else's setup. Not sure how you're applying it, but you have to be precise in the application and only put a dab of grease in the area where it rubs. A tub of grease will last you a very long time. If we're talking about an M1, we're talking about a different animal. My Garand, well, it doesn't get shot at all. That said, it does get grease. It's also not a DI gun, it's a piston gun. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Homesteader375: I use it on my tractor. There are no places on the AR platform where heavy grease is a good thing. I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. Here we go. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. You’re telling me that you put “heavy” grease, not light grease on a BCG? The only place I put heavy grease is the trigger pins, trigger and hammer holes and sear. I use a light grease or heavy oil on the BCG contact point and CH. I’ve never used Red Tacky so have no idea how heavy it is. I hear heavy and I assume it has the consistency of Aeroshell or something you inject into a grease fitting. |
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Originally Posted By Homesteader375: If we're talking about an M1, we're talking about a different animal. My Garand, well, it doesn't get shot at all. That said, it does get grease. It's also not a DI gun, it's a piston gun. An ar15 is a piston gun. It’s considered an internal piston system. When the m16 first came out they issued a thin grease like LSA. The CLP oil is mainly working because of the teflon particles in them. The oil itself evaporates quickly with the teflon particles acting as the primary lubrication. With grease the lubrication, while may contain teflon like particles, will stay in place and continue to libricate. |
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Originally Posted By QtrHorse: You’re telling me that you put “heavy” grease, not light grease on a BCG? The only place I put heavy grease is the trigger pins, trigger and hammer holes and sear. I use a light grease or heavy oil on the BCG contact point and CH. I’ve never used Red Tacky so have no idea how heavy it is. I hear heavy and I assume it has the consistency of Aeroshell or something you inject into a grease fitting. Originally Posted By QtrHorse: Originally Posted By Mach: I disagree. Guns including ARs and Glocks are an open lubrication system. Oil is used for closed systems with pumps. Grease is used for open systems. Oil runs off and dries up. Grease stays put. The Brian Enos handgun red grease is nothing more than GL-2 grease, just like red and sticky but at about 100 times the cost per unit. You’re telling me that you put “heavy” grease, not light grease on a BCG? The only place I put heavy grease is the trigger pins, trigger and hammer holes and sear. I use a light grease or heavy oil on the BCG contact point and CH. I’ve never used Red Tacky so have no idea how heavy it is. I hear heavy and I assume it has the consistency of Aeroshell or something you inject into a grease fitting. yes, I put a light coating of Gl-2 high temp grease ( I also have Aeroshell ) on the BCG and the bolt.I works fine, I have shot it to get it really dirty with carbon, in the summer heat ( not desert though) and dead of winter ( not arctic though ). I stays on, stays good for a very long time, doesn't evaporate, it does drip some when the rifle gets hot but stays lubricated. It works for me. I have also used light grease and mobile one 30 weight. I cant say it is the best in extremes, but where I live there are no extremes. It may not be right for everybody and it may not be right in a dusty desert. I also use the high temp GL-2 on handguns, although the armorer for my duty weapon would take it off and oil it on the yearly inspection and leave me a note saying dont use grease, use oil, and I would immediately wipe it off and put on grease since it was my ass on the line with that weapon not his. Everybody should use what they are confident in not what other people use or dont use. I was just sharing my opinion based on trying many products but fully admit I dont see extended use or extreme conditions. Nor am I an infantry guy with lots of use experience. I am or at least used to be an engineer so I have a basic understanding of machines. I also have a lot of opinions that may or may not be valid  . |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: An ar15 is a piston gun. It’s considered an internal piston system. When the m16 first came out they issued a thin grease like LSA. The CLP oil is mainly working because of the teflon particles in them. The oil itself evaporates quickly with the teflon particles acting as the primary lubrication. With grease the lubrication, while may contain teflon like particles, will stay in place and continue to libricate. I'm sorry but none of these things are accurate. A direct impingement system is not a piston system. CLP no longer contains teflon and hasn't for a long time. |
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Originally Posted By Homesteader375: I'm sorry but none of these things are accurate. A direct impingement system is not a piston system. CLP no longer contains teflon and hasn't for a long time. CLP still contains teflon even the bio ones they’re making. You should read up a little on ar15 internal piston system. It’s not a true DI gun and acts more like a piston due to how the bolt operates as a piston. |
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I used to use Red N Tacky until I got ahold of WS2 grease. SuperLube uses PTFE calls itself "food grade", but it's definitely toxic (Teflon), especially when used on an suppressor, baffles, or around the bolt area. This is the only way to go https://lowerfriction.com/high-temperature-ep-grease-with-ws2-1-kg-jar/ WS2 (Tungsten Disulfide) is one of, if not, the most lubricious material known to science; surpassing PTFE, Moly, HBN, graphite, etc. It's non-toxic but you should not inhale the micron powder. When in powder form, of coating a suppressor baffles, the heat will cause WS2 to basically soak into the pores of the metal (vs burn or blow off). When using the WS2 grease, the same thing would happen. If the grease is hot enough to burn off, the WS2 creates a film layer that doesn't burn off on the metal. And it's not pseudoscience like "frog lube". Numerous research papers exist for WS2. If the new red n tacky is more expensive, go with WS2 grease (also expensive at $99 for 2.2 lbs). Literally the biggest issue you'll have is it is a bitch to get off your skin or clothes as WS2 is a nanoparticle (around 0.5 nm) in powder form, but much easier in grease form since it's not pure WS2. But always wear gloves when handling grease/oils. Honestly surprised it's not more popular and people are still using moly or PTFE additive grease/oils. |
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