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Posted: 4/30/2009 8:35:22 PM EDT
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Winchester Q3131A1 is made in South Korea (presumably PMC) for Winchester. This is NOT Q3131 made in the USA nor the same as Q3131A made in Israel. Please add your personal experience with WINCHESTER Q3131A1 ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about: 1) Firearm used in 2) Approximate number of rounds fired. I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them - don't just vote that you didn't like it. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective. |
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I used it to zero the irons and Aimpoint on my new LMT MRP (14.5" CL w/ perm attached Vortex) and then plink a little. Small sample of 60 rounds, but I was pretty satisfied. Tore out the center of the target at 50 yards. May not seem like much of an accuracy test, but this is a utility type rifle with nonmagnified optics, not a precision rig. Didn't have any uncalled fliers or strays either, everything was grouped pretty much together. Well, within my abilities . Used GI aluminum mags, and had no stoppages or malfunctions. I have not shot anything else out of it, so I have nothing to compare it to, but I'm happy with it. For whatever that's worth. We'll see how the rest I bought works out.
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Have about 100 rounds of the stuff through a TPD AXR with a franken-mag 40 rounder, Lancer 30, and a Pmag 30. Indoor range, so only have about 25 yards to work with, but you could about cover the group with a quarter when I was shooting for accuracy. Very consistent, feels like 5.56 NATO spec ammo by sound and recoil. Maybe not quite as hot as XM193. No problems with feeding or extraction, even with my franken-mag. Cases have a smooth, clean brass feel. Had a bit of an ammonia smell to it while firing, though not quite as pungent as Wolf. 
I was very pleased with it. If I find some local again, I'd buy it in a heartbeat! Post is worthless w/o pics: 
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Fired 40 rounds of Q3131A1 last week with zero malfunctions. Rifle was a 20" Colt with 1:12 twist. I didn't have a chronograph, but this is what others have reported: Originally Posted By the-fly: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=456620Gun used: CMMG 16" 1/7 pencil barrel with phantom flash suppressor (Q3131A1) 3048 3080 3048 3081 3088 3066 3084 3082 3056 3052 Average of 3069 Originally Posted By VenomousDuck: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=445815Well my brother agreed to allow the use of his 20" barrelled Armalite mentioned above, here are my findings as measured 15' from the muzzle: Q3131A1 (same lot as above)....3222, 3203, 3180, 3143, & 3161 Originally Posted On M4Carbine.net: Winchester’s Q3131A1 fired from a 20” Colt barrel with a NATO chamber, chrome lining and a 1:7” twist had a muzzle velocity of 3180 fps with a standard deviation of 24 fps. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=30943 General consensus seems to be that it is slightly underpowered compared to Q3131 (U.S.) and Q3131A (Israel). |
"A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that." - Alan Ladd, Shane, 1953
"The 1911 rules, and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy communist." - Lancair (from Australia)
"The 1911 rules, and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy communist." - Lancair (from Australia)
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This ammo looks promising. The only problem I had with my small sample was a round or two with excessive bullet runout. I'm not sure if this has always been typical of factory ammo, or if it's just that I'm looking harder for it since I keep finding it.
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We need to get over the romance of carrying a 1911 pistol, and get on to the business of shooting smelly bad guys in the face with a modern handgun.
| I bought 300 rounds at walmart last week and practiced with it at my departments range before we qualified. I was shooting from 50 yards standing off-hand and kneeling using a Colt 6721. I'm an average shot and found this ammo to be very accurate with no problems whatsoever. It also wasn't as dirty as it normally is after shooting Q3131. If I can get my hands on some more I will do it. At walmart it was 8.67 a box but its all gone for now. |
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Originally Posted By cutthroat329:
At walmart it was 8.67 a box but its all gone for now. That's better than the $10.99 at Bass Pro. With a coupon I have I could get 5 boxes for $9 each, but that's still a tough pill to swallow. |
We need to get over the romance of carrying a 1911 pistol, and get on to the business of shooting smelly bad guys in the face with a modern handgun.
| shot around 200 rounds of it. Bought it for 10.95 a box in dayton at a dicks in fairborn when I was there for work. Shot wonderfully in my sabre defense 14.5 m5 tactical. no probs. Shot better than the prvi stuff I had. The prvi had one blown primer, a coulpe dented cases out of 100 rounds. Plus it was dirtier in my weapon. Would buy again if I could find it localy under $9 a box of 20. |
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Mods, just a FYI: this thread is not listed in the "Ammunition review and reference" sticky thread... |
"A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that." - Alan Ladd, Shane, 1953
"The 1911 rules, and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy communist." - Lancair (from Australia)
"The 1911 rules, and anyone who says otherwise is a filthy communist." - Lancair (from Australia)
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Just got back from Day One of an Appleseed shoot. I shot 140 rounds of this ammunition. Zero malfunctions to report and, although I'm not the most accurate shooter, I was definitely making minute-of-redcoat hits the whole day. The ammunition was fired out of a 16" Sabre Defence 1:9 twist midlength.
BTW, this thread is still not listed in the ammo review index. ETA: Day Two of the shoot, I fired 130 more rounds. No issues. Once I got my NPOA down I was shooting itty bitty cloverleafs. Good ammo. |
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Originally Posted By GI-45: Mods, just a FYI: this thread is not listed in the "Ammunition review and reference" sticky thread... Wow - it took me until now to see this. I just added it... |
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