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I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is:
The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? |
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Originally Posted By Morgan321:
I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is: The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? Also to the whole 25-223 community, I have been in discussions with Cavity Back bullets to make us some killer 25 cal hunting bullets. If you have never heard of them, check them out. |
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| 320pf is the go to guy for barrels. I purchased 3 from him this past spring. Life has gotten in the way so I haven't had much time to work up but a few loads. Most have been on the weak side (2500/2600 fps) with no pressure signs. I want to compare a 15" barrel to a 24" barrel to see the difference it makes. |
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Shooters World Blackout and CFE BLK have been showing higher velocities than 2200 in the 6.8 and 30 Herret, as well as 7.62x40, etc, etc, all of which basically have the same expansion ratio as the 25-223. I have both of these powders and hope to try them out soon and will post the results.
Also, I have three boxes of Hornady 117gr RN I want to sell or trade. IM me if interested. I got them originally got them to make a close range hammer in the timber, but now I have a 358 Yeti for that. |
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Originally Posted By Morgan321:
I'm interested in this, but this thread is too long to sift out details. What I gather is: The "25-45 sharps" is a full length 223 case while the "25-223" is a slightly shortened 223 case that allows heavier bullets to be used in an ar magazine - is that correct? The 22-45 seems readily available and the barrels are inexpensive which I like. Any details on 320pf and his barrels? Price? Who is he? Any other source for 25-223 barrels? |
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320 is the goto for this cartridge, ive had mine for a long time and it has been fantastic. Shoots 70-100gr bullets all perfectly. Many different powders work load data is easy case forming is easy. Accuracy is fantastic and many many fuzzy critters have died from it both Large and small. Case life is great smooth shooting and easy to tune i can go from a 70gr BK to a 75vmax to an 85/100gr NBT. All loaded in same mag with no function difference.
320 is a good dude and I may very well be one of the few who has met him in person, very good dude and glad to have met him. You wont be dissapointed in the 25AR. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
This is one of the threads I enjoy and read frequently even though I don't have a 25-223. Thanks to all of the contributor's and have a happy Thanksgiving. |
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Finally I have my upper together and HarperJt has donated fully prepped ready to load brass, I even swiped his sizer die just in case. I've got a pile of ancient Remington Power-Lokt 87 grain HP bullets to start with. I couldn't walk away from a local closeout deal on Hornady 90 grain GMX bullets for $1.50 per 50. These things are pretty long at 1.135" so I'm not sure they will work without clipping the polymer tips off, what say you guys? I have Reloader 7, H322, H335, 1680, 4227 and N130 and have compiled a bit of load data from this thread but didn't see anything regarding N130. I'd welcome any advice on VV N130 in this caliber. |
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Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Clicker,. I just pulled the tips with pliars and they'll work fine. And since I'm lazy, anybody remember how blc2 worked out for 25ar? I seem to remember it being ok. Am I wrong ?? Thanks |
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For the 25-223Ar, you get better loading densities with the ball powders. With that said powders with a burn rate similar to powders like Accurate A-2200. Accurate A-1680 is a bit too fast for any bullet over 87-90 grains.
Here is a short list of powders that I have found that work well in the 25-223Ar: A-1680 lighter bullets </= 90 grains ball powder IMR 4227 lighter bullets </= 90 grains stick powder a bit bulky IMR/Hodgdon 4198 lighter bullets </= 90 grains stick powder a bit bulky Reloader 7 stick powder a bit bulky A-2200 >/= 90 grains ball powder (This is probably the go-to powder A-2230 >/= 90 grains ball powder burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 322 stick powder a bit bulky BCL2 > >/=90 grains ball powder burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 335 >/= 90 grains ball powder. burn rate a bit slow Hodgdon 4895 stick powder a bit bulky burn rate seems ok though Powders that should work but I have not tried them 1200-R From what I can determine it should be similar to A-2200 I hope this helps. 320pf |
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Originally Posted By chewbacca:
So any more hunting stories? How any new load data? On the new data front: I did load & shoot two rounds with 22.0 grains of VV N130 under the old Remington 87 grain bullets I have. No chrono just a quick trip to the indoor range but the two rounds cut a single overlapping hole on paper at 25 yards. I know it doesn't sound very exciting but the scope is a 3X9 Trijicon with the triangle on post style reticle so its pretty encouraging. Everything I've loaded with 1680, H335 & RE7 functions and grouped nicely, given my optic, at 100 yards. The brass all looks basically the same with slight flattening of primers and very minor ejector marks. Still have not purchased a die set, Sharps 25-45 dies should work right? I'm thinking that is the easiest way to go at this point. |
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Killed a nice doe yesterday. Field-dressed 125 lb. Deer was slightly quarting to me. Shot was about 35 yards at a slight upward angle. Good performance from the Hornady.
Due to that shot angle, not a ton of blood on the ground, but there was enough to track easily. Went 45 yds. 100 gr Hornady SP 25.1 gr AA2200 CCI no 450 1.698" Brass trim length 2.301 COL" (ASC Mags) Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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FInally shot a deer with my 25-223.
Using 100gr Hornady spt. shot a spike at 20 yds from a tree climber, he ran 100 yds and piled up. downward angle through both ribs, split the heart in two. there was an inch hole going in and an inch hole going out. and a LOT of blood shot meat around the ribs on both sides. Something I've not encountered lately. I usually grind up the rib meat and the meat on the outside of the ribs. This was so blood shot all over both sides I had to discard it. pic of the heart 
left side of deer, entrance hole 
right side, exit hole 
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The gun shop I worked at had a couple old timers who'd been using Sierra 90gr GameKings from their Savage 99's and swore by them. I've gotten 3,000 fps from my 20" 25-223 but feel the pressure is getting up there. Any rate I wouldn't hesitate to use the Sierras. Powders. I tried a number of powders and H4198 rose to the top with uncanny consistent velocities. I had hope my all time favorite Win 748 would perform as awesomely as it has in .223 Rem the past 40 years. But no, it was very erratic like 100+ fps between shots. It taught me one thing that what works in .223 Rem/5.56 does not translate over to .25 caliber and a chronograph is invaluable working up loads in a non-factory cartridge. |
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Hi JButlerHickok,
It has been awhile, Good to hear from you. You are on the right track with the "best" burn rate powders for the 87-90 gr. bullets. Powders with similar burn rates as H4198 (H4198 and IMR4198 are the same powder except in a different package). You might also want to try Accurate (1680, LT-30, LT-32 and A2200) 1680 and A2200 are ball powders so you should get better load/powder densities (0.98 g/cc) with these. Lt-30 and LT-32 are extruded powders and have load/powder densities ~0.87 g/cc. These two Accurate powders are really popular with benchers shooters, very tight velocity deviations. I have also used Alliant Reloader-7 (an extruded powder, see load/powder densities discussion above) with good results. Alliant also has a new powder Power Pro 1200-R (ball powder) that I have not tried yet but should work very well. I would be great if you could work up some loads with these powders and post your results. Good Luck 329pf Originally Posted By JButlerHickok:
The gun shop I worked at had a couple old timers who'd been using Sierra 90gr GameKings from their Savage 99's and swore by them. I've gotten 3,000 fps from my 20" 25-223 but feel the pressure is getting up there. Any rate I wouldn't hesitate to use the Sierras. Powders. I tried a number of powders and H4198 rose to the top with uncanny consistent velocities. I had hope my all time favorite Win 748 would perform as awesomely as it has in .223 Rem the past 40 years. But no, it was very erratic like 100+ fps between shots. It taught me one thing that what works in .223 Rem/5.56 does not translate over to .25 caliber and a chronograph is invaluable working up loads in a non-factory cartridge. |
| Looking for feedback or comments from anyone who is using the 2nd version of the chamber. I've got a barrel with the original chamber which has been excellent in accuracy. The velocities have been quite acceptable to exceed expectations. I understand the 2nd version reamer extends the throat a bit to allow for more velocity. I'm interested in reaming with the Ver.2 but would hate to upset accuracy. So....hows the 2nd ver chamber working?? |
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Originally Posted By JButlerHickok:
Looking for feedback or comments from anyone who is using the 2nd version of the chamber. I've got a barrel with the original chamber which has been excellent in accuracy. The velocities have been quite acceptable to exceed expectations. I understand the 2nd version reamer extends the throat a bit to allow for more velocity. I'm interested in reaming with the Ver.2 but would hate to upset accuracy. So....hows the 2nd ver chamber working?? |
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Chewbacca and company. A long time thread lurker here. I spend hours back and forth between this thread and a 25-45 sharps thread over on predatormasters. I took the plunge into the Sharps side of this similiar experience purely from a financial standpoint. BHW had a clearance sale on beautiful 18" barrels for $90 that I couldn't pass on.
The main thing I've been following is the reloading/load development of our fellow shooters (both 25-223 and 25-45 Sharps). Which leads me to my question for Chewbacca.....you mentioned a long time ago, that you were going to take a swipe at loading the 115g Bergers (VLD Hunting I assume). Did you ever have any success and/or get any numbers from your loads (fps, accuracy, etc.)? I've dabbled in the 115gr Berger VLD Hunting with some success. In the load workup process back/forth between various charges of H335 and A2200. I'm not getting the accuracy I should, but 2550-2600 fps has been possible using a windowed ASC magazine and 2.36 COAL loads. Thanks in advance if you have any good results to share. Your long-time lurker. b1dude |
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Originally Posted By exb1dude:
Chewbacca and company. A long time thread lurker here. I spend hours back and forth between this thread and a 25-45 sharps thread over on predatormasters. I took the plunge into the Sharps side of this similiar experience purely from a financial standpoint. BHW had a clearance sale on beautiful 18" barrels for $90 that I couldn't pass on. The main thing I've been following is the reloading/load development of our fellow shooters (both 25-223 and 25-45 Sharps). Which leads me to my question for Chewbacca.....you mentioned a long time ago, that you were going to take a swipe at loading the 115g Bergers (VLD Hunting I assume). Did you ever have any success and/or get any numbers from your loads (fps, accuracy, etc.)? I've dabbled in the 115gr Berger VLD Hunting with some success. In the load workup process back/forth between various charges of H335 and A2200. I'm not getting the accuracy I should, but 2550-2600 fps has been possible using a windowed ASC magazine and 2.36 COAL loads. Thanks in advance if you have any good results to share. Your long-time lurker. b1dude |
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Cool, thanks for responding.
I'm woefully suspicious of twist rate being a driving factor in my case as well (1:10). Can ask a question? I'm hoping the relatively high altitude I hunt/shoot at will cut me a break. I remember reading a really nerdy white paper years ago where long range competition shooters would have their handloads go unstable (only as noticed by accuracy, not oblong holes). The take-away from the paper was that lower density altitudes (high density air) would tend to make a bullet go unstable sooner than higher density altitudes (lower density air). 99.9% of my shooting occurs from 4000' to 8000' density altitude. Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what altitude you were at when trying to squeeze out the accuracy from the VLDs? What's got me so wrapped up chasing performance in these VLDs was running the numbers on drop/energy through the JBM ballistics website. Comparing my 18" barreled Sharps, lobbing the 115gr VLD at 2600fps, to a classic 120gr, 18" barreled Grendel load. The 25 cal VLD stayed supersonic longer, and carried more energy throughout usable ranges. 1000 ft-lbs at 300-350 yards. Supersonic to 1100+ yards; MSR hunting "Nervana"? Not worth a hoot at 2-3 MOA however; in my humble opinion Again thanks for getting back. |
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Originally Posted By exb1dude:
Cool, thanks for responding. I'm woefully suspicious of twist rate being a driving factor in my case as well (1:10). Can ask a question? I'm hoping the relatively high altitude I hunt/shoot at will cut me a break. I remember reading a really nerdy white paper years ago where long range competition shooters would have their handloads go unstable (only as noticed by accuracy, not oblong holes). The take-away from the paper was that lower density altitudes (high density air) would tend to make a bullet go unstable sooner than higher density altitudes (lower density air). 99.9% of my shooting occurs from 4000' to 8000' density altitude. Out of curiosity, do you mind sharing what altitude you were at when trying to squeeze out the accuracy from the VLDs? What's got me so wrapped up chasing performance in these VLDs was running the numbers on drop/energy through the JBM ballistics website. Comparing my 18" barreled Sharps, lobbing the 115gr VLD at 2600fps, to a classic 120gr, 18" barreled Grendel load. The 25 cal VLD stayed supersonic longer, and carried more energy throughout usable ranges. 1000 ft-lbs at 300-350 yards. Supersonic to 1100+ yards; MSR hunting "Nervana"? Not worth a hoot at 2-3 MOA however; in my humble opinion Again thanks for getting back. I doubt the difference in altitude will change it. It was like a shot gun pattern. Chasing the same dragon as you, I went to a 25x6.8 wildcat. Haven’t built it yet (have all parts but busy) but the ballistics are better. I chose a 1/9 polygonal rifled barrel to get the 110eldx and 115 Berger’s to stabilize. |
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Originally Posted By nootay:
Anyone have load data with the 110 grain hornady ftx bullet? Not real sure where to start on this bullet FPS FT-LBS PF 2338 1335.36 257.18 2357 1357.15 259.27 2349 1347.95 258.39 AA 2230 maxed out at 24 gr. / CCI 450 primer / 2.29" COL / compressed load / no evidence of over-pressure FPS FT-LB PF 2369 1371 260.59 2380 1383.76 261.8 2379 1382.6 261.69 The AA 2230 load was more accurate as well. |
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Originally Posted By SCPossum1:
Great morning with the 25! 125 yds. 30 yard recovery. https://i.imgur.com/RCNpn34.jpg |
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