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1-10X28 34mm tube MIL-R SFP illuminated Optic with locking zero stop turrets for $450 MSRP (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/8/2024 2:03:36 PM EDT
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Product website page Product Manual with zeroing and ranging feature instructions The 1-10x28 MIL-R optic is a pretty awesome value driven optic ideal for carbines and large frame AR's in .308 and 6.5CM. The optic is easily the equal of market products at twice the price. A great way to finish your builds without draining your wallet during this period of cheetos with less cheese flavor for twice the normal price. Who knows maybe the savings can go toward gas or... cans with form 4's sitting around 2-7 day approval times. Features: 1: Push-pull locking turrets, with zero stop ring (optional for use) providing 14.5mil up, .5 mil down to prevent confusion on the dials and eliminate ability to lose your zero. 2: Push pull locking Windage knob features (remove and replace resettable) 7mil right and left travel, also safeguarding your zero. 3: Illumination 12 brightness settings with 12 off positions, affording ability to rapidly switch from off to required brightness setting. (CR2032 battery) 4. Mil-R reticle affords ease of ranging known size targets using the magnification ring bracketing method taught by the Redfield ART TEL optic used on the XM-21 in Vietnam. 5. Premium soft rubber flip caps included, protecting valuable optics in the field. Interestingly as a 1-10 optic the ranging of known size targets supports 100-1000 meters- simply bracket a known size target, read the magnification ring for range in hundreds of meters. 10X magnification supports Mil-relation formula, ballistic holds and dope estimation for ease of zeroing at 100 meters. A nice looking Griffin MK2 rifle, with a Griffin 1-10x28 MIL-R optic in a 34MM 1.425" height Griffin GPM scope mount.     Consumer applicable range-E example. There is a mil/LEO applicable version in the manual:  At 14:11 in the below video, Zach at Mountains Mullets Merica is running a triggercam 2.1 on a 1-10x28 on a 2/3's IPSC at 495 yds and a full size IPSC at 765yds with a KAC SR25 ECC, mounted with a Griffin MGL-C suppressor. Zach was a beta tester for the optic. - really nice shooting out at distance bearing in mind the rifle was holding 1.56MOA at 100 with the suppressor attached.  Griffin Armament MGL Suppressors- First Look |
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Originally Posted By ark-and-spark: The scope looks and sounds great. That mount however should be thrown in a river somewhere. That's crazy talk. I don't know why Americans are so negative anymore. The current vice president of the American Sniper Association, an instructor cadre member of the original Army Sniper school- later a senior sniper instructor, and winner of the 1990 all Army sniper competition is a happy end user of the mount product who has given it glowing reviews. Certainly in the video in the original post- the scope is mounted in a GPM mount and is making hits at 765 yds with a 1.52MOA 16" barrel 7.62x51 rifle. That means a rifle shooting a 12.4" group at 765 yds is making hits on a 18.25 wide target with some wind present. In order for that to happen, if everything is perfect the shooter has to hold 0.75MOA accuracy of his wind call, seated, using a tripod. The mount is CNC machined from solid stock 6061-T6 aluminum, the datums are renishaw probed on every individual load for .0002" accuracy and relationship of all operations- this is the maximum accuracy attainable in CNC machines at the current time. 6061 makes it lighter, so it competes with 7075 mounts that don't have as much thickness for weight, because it uses the thickness for securely mounting accessory plates. The holes are all thread form tapped, and the ring saddles have 8-40 fasteners (industry best practice) which as fine pitch, are very strong threads with greater retention than common 32 pitch fines. |
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Originally Posted By ark-and-spark: The scope looks and sounds great. That mount however should be thrown in a river somewhere. Depends on your desired use. If you want a ‘private proof’ mount for long range and reliability it’s ideal. If you want a gucci mount with lots of moving parts for your high speed gucci AR then there are lots of better options. |
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The 2 year electronics warranty on a newly launched product is worrisome. Attached File The other specs are great. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: The 2 year electronics warranty on a newly launched product is worrisome. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467962/IMG_0502_jpeg-3236008.JPG The other specs are great. Steiner's warranty on electronics is 50% longer at 3 years on electronics. Their most similar optic at Midway USA is a T5XI, and it is 1-5x24 and $1719 so you could technically buy 3 of this optic and have 6 years of electronic warranty and keep $369.00, and have a larger objective lens, twice the magnification range, zero stop turrets and a mil reticle. We're delivering 2.54 times the electronic warranty length of time per dollar spent and a better featured optic. This is not that much different from being at checkout and doing your own analysis on what value the extended protection plan is worth to you. I guess we could offer an extended protection plan for $100 or something like that and match Steiner's electronic warranty for 1/3 the money on their spec inferior optic, if that made the optic more attractive. Would that make it a better value to you? If it did we could offer that. The reality is a battery failure (acid leak) in the compartment is totally outside the responsibility of the optic, but could be the reason the warranty is executed, and that may total the optic and execute 100% replacement. That's the major reason for short electronic warranties. Periodic replacement of the battery will largely eliminate that risk. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: That's crazy talk. I don't know why Americans are so negative anymore. The current vice president of the American Sniper Association, an instructor cadre member of the original Army Sniper school- later a senior sniper instructor, and winner of the 1990 all Army sniper competition is a happy end user of the product who has given it glowing reviews. Certainly in the video in the original post- the scope is mounted in a GPM mount and is making hits at 765 yds with a 1.52MOA 16" barrel 7.62x51 rifle. That means a rifle shooting a 12.4" group at 765 yds is making hits on a 18.25 wide target with some wind present. In order for that to happen, if everything is perfect the shooter has to hold 0.75MOA accuracy of his wind call, seated, using a tripod. The mount is CNC machined from solid stock 6061-T6 aluminum, the datums are renishaw probed on every individual load for .0002" accuracy and relationship of all operations- this is the maximum accuracy attainable in CNC machines at the current time. 6061 makes it lighter, so it competes with 7075 mounts that don't have as much thickness for weight, because it uses the thickness for securely mounting accessory plates. The holes are all thread form tapped, and the ring saddles have 8-40 fasteners (industry best practice) which as fine pitch, are very strong threads with greater retention than common 32 pitch fines. Originally Posted By Green0: Originally Posted By ark-and-spark: The scope looks and sounds great. That mount however should be thrown in a river somewhere. That's crazy talk. I don't know why Americans are so negative anymore. The current vice president of the American Sniper Association, an instructor cadre member of the original Army Sniper school- later a senior sniper instructor, and winner of the 1990 all Army sniper competition is a happy end user of the product who has given it glowing reviews. Certainly in the video in the original post- the scope is mounted in a GPM mount and is making hits at 765 yds with a 1.52MOA 16" barrel 7.62x51 rifle. That means a rifle shooting a 12.4" group at 765 yds is making hits on a 18.25 wide target with some wind present. In order for that to happen, if everything is perfect the shooter has to hold 0.75MOA accuracy of his wind call, seated, using a tripod. The mount is CNC machined from solid stock 6061-T6 aluminum, the datums are renishaw probed on every individual load for .0002" accuracy and relationship of all operations- this is the maximum accuracy attainable in CNC machines at the current time. 6061 makes it lighter, so it competes with 7075 mounts that don't have as much thickness for weight, because it uses the thickness for securely mounting accessory plates. The holes are all thread form tapped, and the ring saddles have 8-40 fasteners (industry best practice) which as fine pitch, are very strong threads with greater retention than common 32 pitch fines. Just ignore the miserable trolls. It’s not an America thing. It’s a miserable human being thing. Anyone who knows anything about how a quality mount is made knows he’s a 
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Originally Posted By Green0: Steiner's warranty on electronics is 50% longer at 3 years on electronics. Their most similar optic at Midway USA is a T5XI, and it is 1-5x24 and $1719 so you could technically buy 3 of this optic and have 6 years of electronic warranty and keep $369.00, and have a larger objective lens, twice the magnification range, zero stop turrets and a mil reticle. We're delivering 2.54 times the electronic warranty length of time per dollar spent and a better featured optic. This is not that much different from being at checkout and doing your own analysis on what value the extended protection plan is worth to you. I guess we could offer an extended protection plan for $100 or something like that and match Steiner's electronic warranty for 1/3 the money on their spec inferior optic, if that made the optic more attractive. Would that make it a better value to you? If it did we could offer that. The reality is a battery failure (acid leak) in the compartment is totally outside the responsibility of the optic, but could be the reason the warranty is executed, and that may total the optic and execute 100% replacement. That's the major reason for short electronic warranties. Periodic replacement of the battery will largely eliminate that risk. Remember buyers math and logic don’t always align. I have a pig of one of Leupolds Mark 4 CQ/T optics for many years. It’s truly a monstrosity by today’s standards but they have repaired it three times now and even upgraded the circle. The fact it died makes it a novelty but I have full confidence they will warranty as long as they exist. Yet Leupold still isn’t my go to optic manufacturer for AR or PCC. So warranty isn’t the only hurdle. It may be a possibility that your price point tends to conjure comparisons of Vortex or Primary Arms while your quality should actually conjure Steiner. A side by side chart for comparison would be of use. Identifying your main competitor would help because many don’t do their own research. Hell, I’m a Griffin fanboy lured in by your mounts. Those many mounts led me to your suppressors. I wish you the best but optics and warranty are changing fast these days. Also, I’m not your target buyer as I’m old and already well invested in good glass. How you get a new buyer to put a Griffin on their Gucci is the quandary. Thankfully those type of issues didn’t follow me into retirement! Just an idea, maybe offer an extended warranty on the first x# sold. Griffin is a trusted name and for the followers of your posts, we ‘know’ you will take care of us. But unfortunately us ‘followers’ are a small market. The optics market is crazy these days. Somehow you need to convince a person new to Griffin to risk a not only a new ‘model’ but an entirely new product line, that they are not product testers. Obviously the Utubers will drop rocks and other ‘tests’ and word will get around. Trusted posters on here will eventually report back. If i were to outfit a new DM rifle I would be an early adopter but only because I read this forum. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: snip.... I don't know why Americans are so negative anymore. snip..... We could say a lot of things about Europeans, but we kicked them out over 200 years ago and bailed them out twice. We're good. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: Remember buyers math and logic don’t always align. I have a pig of one of Leupolds CQB optics for many years. It’s truly a monstrosity by today’s standards but they have repaired it three times now and even upgraded the circle. The fact it died makes it a novelty but I have full confidence they will warranty as long as they exist. Yet Leupold still isn’t my go to optic manufacturer for AR or PCC. So warranty isn’t the only hurdle. Originally Posted By Muricha: Remember buyers math and logic don’t always align. I have a pig of one of Leupolds CQB optics for many years. It’s truly a monstrosity by today’s standards but they have repaired it three times now and even upgraded the circle. The fact it died makes it a novelty but I have full confidence they will warranty as long as they exist. Yet Leupold still isn’t my go to optic manufacturer for AR or PCC. So warranty isn’t the only hurdle. Realistically this optic should be compared favorably to anything 1-10 available for any price, because it has really nice glass quality and features. You've had better luck with Leupold CS than I did. I currently have 4 MKIV ultra 10x's, 2 3.5-10x40 M110 optics, 3 14x50 M1's, 1 6.5-25x50 MK4 M1, 1 3.5x18 MK5, 2 3.5x10x40 M3's, 2 of the MRT mil dot SPR optics, 1 of the 300BLK LPVO's, a 40x mil dot spotter, and have bought numerous of their other optics. My only conversation with their Customer Service (ever), after being a lifelong customer was when I bought a M24 SWS with AICS stock from high end armament and the 3.5-10x40 M3 optic arrived with damaged occular lens coatings. I'm a pretty big Leupold fan regardless, but Leupold CS was not helpful on that- though I'm not daft to the fact that the actions of one CS agent also doesn't represent the entire Leupold CS department. They said they recommended against attempting to polish it out, and didn't offer a repair price to remove the speckled ocular effect or anything, and I don't have a lot of free time so that M24 SWS is in the hardigg case, I haven't touched it since and it has been a few years. I would not have bought it, if that condition had been advertised as having the damaged lens coating. I do consider the rifle essentially non-serviceable because of that condition. If they had told me to use flitz, water and a cotton ball, I'd have probably put an hour into polishing the coatings off to get rid of the effects of the coating speckles on the outer ocular lens and been happy to just have uncoated glass that was clear. I have 3 S&B's and one of those was used- a police trade in PMII and had a honeycomb filter sunshade stuck in the objective (probably thread locker), and S&B serviced that for me for free, removing the honeycomb and even supplying me a new box for the optic which arrived to me and was sent to them in a Nightforce box. So in my very limited use case, the S&B warranty worked out better in a situation in which I had done less business with S&B. I kind of took humor in their replacement of the nightforce box with an S&B box. That demonstrated some pride they took in the S&B not being shipped in a competitors box. Originally Posted By country_boy87: I will strongly consider this optic for my sfar. Yesterday while looking I swore I saw that this had a night vision setting. I’m not seeing it listed now today. I can't help you there I don't think there is a night vision setting but I haven't put a monocular on the back of the optic or anything like that because it is more common to use a clip on in front these days, and then there would be no compatibility issue because the night vision would be in front of the optic, and the illumination would just be creating reticle contrast. Originally Posted By gotigers: We could say a lot of things about Europeans, but we kicked them out over 200 years ago and bailed them out twice. We're good. Thanks. I think you missed the point that the comment was about the people among my fellow countrymen who would say something like a known quality product is useless, you should throw it in a river. It wasn't a dig on all Americans, and I certainly didn't suggest that Europeans are superior, although there are many European countries capable of high quality manufacturing who are home to highly respected companies like DMG and Sandvik. |
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I’ve never conversed with anyone who has the experience and time behind glass that you have. The fact you’re passionate about your products and spend the time to explain the capabilities says much. I will gladly try one out, especially with your General Issue discount I’ll be getting the scope for the price of a ‘budget’ optic. Your discount program is more than typical and much appreciated. 2024 unfortunately seems to be all about marketing hype and what gets cast in video games. Most casual owners want bragging rights at the range and the more bling the better. Fortunately my farm is my range and my front porch is my bench. Your 10x should impress the hell out of the coyotes that typically range about 300 yards on the opposing pasture. An old man, his dog and gravity chair watching for coyotes most evenings isn’t a market demographic, but I appreciate the opportunity. Anyone want to buy a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T that has an excellent warranty? lol |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: I’ve never conversed with anyone who has the experience and time behind glass that you have. The fact you’re passionate about your products and spend the time to explain the capabilities says much. I will gladly try one out, especially with your General Issue discount I’ll be getting the scope for the price of a ‘budget’ optic. Your discount program is more than typical and much appreciated. 2024 unfortunately seems to be all about marketing hype and what gets cast in video games. An old man, his dog and gravity chair watching for coyotes most evenings isn’t a market demographic, but I appreciate the opportunity. We would be glad to have you as a customer and would consider you totally in the demographic as a person who wants a product in 2024 to impress him with something other than marketing hype. Hopefully the 34mm scope rings being needed due to the 34mm tube aren’t an issue for you. On the upside, the 34mm tube allows the lenses to be larger for better light gain and resolution. To all - June 14-17, coupon code DAD24, is a 15% sightwide discount, which results in a $382.50 price on the 1-10x28 MIL-R optic for example. Its a great deal thats even better this weekend. |
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I think I know a guy who makes some really nice 34mm mounts and I need all the light I can get these days. I’ve already planned your mounts in the purchase. I’m planning on putting it on my SOCOM 16 in its EBR chassis. I already have a PA scope on an A.R.M.S. mount. Would your 34mm cantilever be compatible ? What height would you recommend for the mount? 1.335" Height 34mm Cantilever Mount 15MOA 1.425" Height 34mm Cantilever Mount 15MOA 1.93" Height 34mm Cantilever Mount 15MOA I like the lowest possible mount but I’m unsure using with the A.R.M.S. Mount appears to be a little over 4.25 inches long. It’s never been ‘true’ to the EBR rail so that’s all the space I have to work with. Damn EBR is to heavy for me anymore but all my shooting is off of my porch anyway.  If you don’t mind, I’d like to give Team a heads up on your sale. I’m terrible with the written word (TBI induced Parkinsonism is challenging), I’d probably screw up the message. Hell anyone can read what’s already been written. I just don’t want to confuse folks. |
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@muricha I don’t think our mount will fit because the arms mount is so short. You probably need something like mk4 or arms rings in a 1.3” height because the ocular bell may be over the rear sight. |
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As always Thanks. I think it best to leave my Viper with NF rings on it as is. Attached File I have some other toys that need glass. All of your info gives me options to consider. Thanks for replying on a weekend. |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Any info on the reticle brightness? @hoody2shoez I have florescent replacement LED strip lights in the photo room which are a little brighter than a florescent strip light bulb maybe 25% brighter than a florescent tube light. I closed the front cover and aiming at the lights, I had contrast using the Trijicon BAC method with both eyes open down to setting 7 of 12. At setting 6 I lost contrast of the reticle directly aimed into the light. At 12 the light in a bright room is blooming the ring/dot center of the reticle somewhat (maybe 20% bloom making the ring and dot appear 20% thicker than they are). The illumination is IMO very bright. I was pretty happy with the illumination compared to my experience with other optics. At 1 power at maybe setting 9, the red is really attention grabbing for like indoor work, but as others have said the optic is heavy for its class- the zero stop push pull locking turrets add some weight (maybe 3-4 ounces), and I sort of envisioned it at home on .308 gas guns and stuff like that. The resolution seems as though it could replace 30mm optics with objective lenses up to 40mm. I don't really see any fish eye effect, but the eye relief is kind of long, and that also is a feature better suited to like a .308 gas gun, or to a pretty long cantilever mount like 1.75 or 2" cantilever unless you want to run your stock full open. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: That's crazy talk. I don't know why Americans are so negative anymore. The current vice president of the American Sniper Association, an instructor cadre member of the original Army Sniper school- later a senior sniper instructor, and winner of the 1990 all Army sniper competition is a happy end user of the mount product who has given it glowing reviews. Certainly in the video in the original post- the scope is mounted in a GPM mount and is making hits at 765 yds with a 1.52MOA 16" barrel 7.62x51 rifle. That means a rifle shooting a 12.4" group at 765 yds is making hits on a 18.25 wide target with some wind present. In order for that to happen, if everything is perfect the shooter has to hold 0.75MOA accuracy of his wind call, seated, using a tripod. The mount is CNC machined from solid stock 6061-T6 aluminum, the datums are renishaw probed on every individual load for .0002" accuracy and relationship of all operations- this is the maximum accuracy attainable in CNC machines at the current time. 6061 makes it lighter, so it competes with 7075 mounts that don't have as much thickness for weight, because it uses the thickness for securely mounting accessory plates. The holes are all thread form tapped, and the ring saddles have 8-40 fasteners (industry best practice) which as fine pitch, are very strong threads with greater retention than common 32 pitch fines. That’s cool. Some guy I never heard of tested it and has given his endorsement on it. My friend Robert says the upside down screws was a pain jn the ass to tighten. I believe him. The scope looks good and the mount looks like a huge pain in the ass to get set up despite all its fancy tolerances and metallurgy. The aero lightweight mount is a nice mount with tolerances and metallurgy but it’s also a huge pain to set right. Send me one and I’ll beat the ever loving snot out of it and give you an average joes perspective. I’m nothing special just a dude who shoots a fair amount. |
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The reason why some random guy I’ve never heard of is worth sending something to for a review is that he has a YouTube channel where thousands of people watch his reviews, and he’s relatively fair in his commentary. So obviously he will help other people realize the optic is a good optic. We are going to prototype a plate the customer can use to gap the right side ring joint, allowing people to fit and torque that joint prior to putting the mount on the rifle, so they can just level and tighten the set of screws on top and not have to use a bent std key or remove the mount from the rail to torque the second set of screws. That will make the already not difficult process of mounting a scope in the mount more easy. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: Steiner's warranty on electronics is 50% longer at 3 years on electronics. Their most similar optic at Midway USA is a T5XI, and it is 1-5x24 and $1719 so you could technically buy 3 of this optic and have 6 years of electronic warranty and keep $369.00, and have a larger objective lens, twice the magnification range, zero stop turrets and a mil reticle. We're delivering 2.54 times the electronic warranty length of time per dollar spent and a better featured optic. This is not that much different from being at checkout and doing your own analysis on what value the extended protection plan is worth to you. I guess we could offer an extended protection plan for $100 or something like that and match Steiner's electronic warranty for 1/3 the money on their spec inferior optic, if that made the optic more attractive. Would that make it a better value to you? If it did we could offer that. The reality is a battery failure (acid leak) in the compartment is totally outside the responsibility of the optic, but could be the reason the warranty is executed, and that may total the optic and execute 100% replacement. That's the major reason for short electronic warranties. Periodic replacement of the battery will largely eliminate that risk. Steiner TX series is made in America with German glass. This is made in China with Chinese glass, yes? |
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Steiner TX series is made in America with German glass. This is made in China with Chinese glass, yes? Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By Green0: Steiner's warranty on electronics is 50% longer at 3 years on electronics. Their most similar optic at Midway USA is a T5XI, and it is 1-5x24 and $1719 so you could technically buy 3 of this optic and have 6 years of electronic warranty and keep $369.00, and have a larger objective lens, twice the magnification range, zero stop turrets and a mil reticle. We're delivering 2.54 times the electronic warranty length of time per dollar spent and a better featured optic. This is not that much different from being at checkout and doing your own analysis on what value the extended protection plan is worth to you. I guess we could offer an extended protection plan for $100 or something like that and match Steiner's electronic warranty for 1/3 the money on their spec inferior optic, if that made the optic more attractive. Would that make it a better value to you? If it did we could offer that. The reality is a battery failure (acid leak) in the compartment is totally outside the responsibility of the optic, but could be the reason the warranty is executed, and that may total the optic and execute 100% replacement. That's the major reason for short electronic warranties. Periodic replacement of the battery will largely eliminate that risk. Steiner TX series is made in America with German glass. This is made in China with Chinese glass, yes? For under $500 there's literally nowhere else it could be. Everyone should know this by now. |
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: I’m guessing China at that price. If people want a US made illuminated optic, the MK5HD 2-10 is $2500, but it's not 1-10. I'm not the guy who golfs his whole game with a 3-wood. I like firearms, so I like to have many rifles that actually have optics and are ready to shoot, and the more affordable optics make that easier on the wallet. Paying $500 for illumination instead of $450 for the entire optic with illumination is a bitch. In a lot of cases people will decide they don't "need" illumination in an effort to afford an optic, but what they are actually deciding is they don't feel comfortable paying $500 for an LED light, in a world where LED lights come in a 3 pack at their local stores for $15. This isn't 1988 anymore. An LED isn't a rocket ship that goes to the moon. |
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My experience with the Sig Tango MSR 1-10 has left me with a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to budget 1-10 optics. I'm sure this will work great for some people, particularly if they're bench shooters or deer hunters. I'd shy away from any budget LPVO if you're planning on doing run and gun tactical events or 3-gun competitions. |
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This is one of the first actual reviews of the scope where anything was discussed. The windage is slip-able, so the 7.5mil right and left is a stop ring that keeps the knob from being spun to a point of zero loss. The elevation is one turn 14.5mil up and .5 down so the elevation zero can't be lost either. If the rings are removed the whole range of motion is possible for zeroing. This is a first look at the newer lightweight GPM mount. The 45 degree flip to side mount if placed on the right side of the optic puts the dot on optical centerline so you can tilt the rifle 45 without loss of cheek weld and go from reticle to dot. There are ranging features of the reticle that allow the magnification dial to estimate the range in hundreds of meters that is covered in the manual. Obviously with mils and a calculator other ranging can happen at 10X.  Griffin Armament 1-10 LPVO - The Ultimate All Purpose Optic |
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Finally a review that somewhat helps people to understand the optic. The mounts come with shim plates now that allow people to tighten the lower set of screws to torque prior to mounting the optic, and then the tube still spins for leveling prior to tightening the upper set. The knobs each have limiters so you can't lose your zero also.  Best Budget LPVO? - 1-10 Griffin Armament Rifle Scope |
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Originally Posted By Green0: Finally a review that somewhat helps people to understand the optic. The mounts come with shim plates now that allow people to tighten the lower set of screws to torque prior to mounting the optic, and then the tube still spins for leveling prior to tightening the upper set. The knobs each have limiters so you can't lose your zero also.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts-zhik2yHANo idea on the clarity, but its a solid looking optic. I hope it does well for you guys. |
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Originally Posted By DVCER: I said I would hold the line at 30mm glass. I guess I can cross my own line. I see this optic being a good fit on my SFAR for elk. Those rings look nice too, I’ll get the full meal deal. 34mm offers a lot of light and resolution advantages over 30mm. The objective is 4mm larger than a 20mm objective lens. Clarity seems comparable or better than a mk4 leupold 10x40. Items in front of lenses can play hell on the image, like a leaf on a snipers optical camo band partially occluding a lens can turn the whole image green for example. In the video it seems 110sass is running the optic in the coincident iron sight height 1.425” centerline mount and looking through the front sight post is causing issues with the image at 10x- visible in an appearance of poor light transmission that is actually the black post blown out to hell and gone as a grey apparition of what it actually is. |
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Originally Posted By ark-and-spark: The scope looks and sounds great. That mount however should be thrown in a river somewhere. Stupid comments like this is why this sub doesn’t get a lot of traction and why I’m 9 months late to the discussion. 
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Originally Posted By 556_Chowder: Stupid comments like this is why this sub doesn’t get a lot of traction and why I’m 9 months late to the discussion. The comment would make more sense if it mentioned what the poster wanted improved about the mount. There are 3 generations of the mounts now, and each has implemented measures to improve on the others. |
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/review-griffin-armament-1-10x-mil-r-sfp-lpvo/ A very thorough review of the optic. |
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The theory of why elevation should be canted has to do with optical clarity being best at the center of travel of the optic. The cantilever mounts are obviously AR centric where rifles have no base cant typically. So when you are planning to run a scope out to 45moa or something of elevation at the longest use case ever, and you put 15 on it to begin with, your zero starts above centerline such that 30moa is the same clarity as zero range, and the more used area of travel like zero to 550yds is actually becoming clearer as you get outward. It creates a bias to keep optical clarity averaged across a planned travel range. Perhaps the only flaw is that the vast majority of use for most customers is 0-300, which is essentially 0–7.5 in elevation or thereabout. Which means the average of planned distance doesn’t account a genuine average target distance of about 130yds or so if I had to guess. I believe we are zero parallax at something like 140yds, which also favors long range parallax error minimization. This kind of strategy is common for 0-800meter optics without side focus parallax. Max parallax error becomes the size of the objective lens at double the parallax distance or 28mm at 280yds, 56mm at 560 yds, 112mm at 1120yds. Meaning if you shoot edge of the eye box instead of center of the eyebox at 1120, thats 4.5” of aiming error possible. These things go to strategic intent for the optic- an EOtech holosight which is parallax free at 50yds would have likely around 4.5” of parallax error possible at around 300-350yds. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: The theory of why elevation should be canted has to do with optical clarity being best at the center of travel of the optic. The cantilever mounts are obviously AR centric where rifles have no base cant typically. So when you are planning to run a scope out to 45moa or something of elevation at the longest use case ever, and you put 15 on it to begin with, your zero starts above centerline such that 30moa is the same clarity as zero range, and the more used area of travel like zero to 550yds is actually becoming clearer as you get outward. It creates a bias to keep optical clarity averaged across a planned travel range. Good answer, thanks. And the mount I want is OOS, 1.425. 1.525 is in stock, seems like a tiny difference . I do like to plant my face down on the stock (SFAR in this case). Think I’ll know the difference? |
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@DVCER Talk to customer service and tell them I authorized sale of the new generation of 1.425 cantilever mount that we haven’t released yet. They should be able to arrange the sale of that. |
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The final part of the 7 part series is up. I watched part of it because it was live and I came into the middle but it sort of seemed like we won best performance low cost lpvo? A lot of our employees who are shooters handled and bought these for their own rifles.  Do They All Suck? |
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Originally Posted By Green0: The final part of the 7 part series is up. I watched part of it because it was live and I came into the middle but it sort of seemed like we won best performance low cost lpvo? A lot of our employees who are shooters handled and bought these for their own rifles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvcdW_vlqKIHe hit on your optic 3-4 times in that vid. Seemed like a fair comparison and yeah he liked the griffin best. I did not know there was that much competition in the price range. |
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