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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Went to the range....update pg.2 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/7/2013 3:02:46 PM EDT
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And nothing happened. No one being stupid, no kids on the range, ammo at semi reasonable prices.
I turned out this, just looking for some feedback, no friends, so I rely on you guys. Anyway take a peek. 6 rounds here, one flyer I guess. 
5 rounds here 
Got excited, 9 rounds here. 
5 rounds here, should of stopped at 3, the last two were on the edge. 
The range and the gun. I know the scope rings are wrong, my cheek weld was horrible and painful. 
PMC xp193, 90 yds. Crappy trigger, crappy cheek weld, crappy bipod. |
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That looks a lot shorter than 90 yards, more like 50-60. It's hard to judge in a picture though. At least you're sharing honest results though, good for you man. The cheek weld is the only reason I put up the Rogers Stoc and went back to the SOPMOD. Targets on the left are listed as 50 and on the right as 90. I didn't measure it.  . No reason to doubt it I guess.
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Seems like 3-4" eye relief. Bridging the gap too. bridging the gap doesn't matter so much with a decent/solid FF rail. good job! I have a DD omega X. Playing with the muzzle you move the barrel but I guess that's the barrel flexing and the rail staying in place? |
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Seems like 3-4" eye relief. Bridging the gap too. bridging the gap doesn't matter so much with a decent/solid FF rail. good job! I have a DD omega X. Playing with the muzzle you move the barrel but I guess that's the barrel flexing and the rail staying in place? Does your barrel move freely? I had the rail swapped on one of my rifles and the shop that did it is very reputable. when I went to re-zero my optic, I couldn't get a decent group and got very frustrated cause I consider myself a decent shot. I put the rifle up and a few days later went to clean it and noticed that the barrel wiggle slightly. Took it back up and the barrel nut was loose. Got it tightened back up and the rifle grouped as it should have. Not saying this is the case with your rifle but, when you said the barrel moves, it just made me think about my personal experience. Either way, rifle looks great and if you're having issue with your cheekweld, maybe look into getting a different set of rings or a different scope mount like Laruem Brobo, American Defense, etc.. |
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Just curious ... but what is wrong with kids on the range? Sure I'm a proud father ... but .... I'd bet my 12 year old daughter could give some of you a heck of a run for the money. She can put a tack in a nat's ass with rifles you swear were swallowing her. I'm sure the OP meant kids who run around, not kids who shoot. |
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Ah .. got it. Oh and BTW ... on that first pic, the 6 shot. No flyer ... you have two bullets in the same hole. Look at the 9/8 hole on the right. I think your right! There is 6 hits. Thanks. To be honest I still hoped for better than that. But maybe it's not bad. |
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My heart beat was visible through the scope. I agree but the gi trigger dosent help. I've shot it alot and it still seems inconsistant. (Two different pulls depending). To be honest the trigger feels spongy and like a long slope then sticky, that's when it breaks or needs 1 lb more to break.
Oh geissele send me a sample to test! I guess they are proven enough though. 
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It's not all bad, they don't hover over shoulder screaming range commands, but its kinda safe at the same time. What's your experience with it? I do like that aspect, as well......which is what keeps me coming back there. I generally hate public ranges. You can't do anything but shoot from a stall. No drills or real practice. I don't need to run and gun every time I shoot, but I am doing NOTHING by sitting at a table and trying to make small groups with an AR. So I resort to dry firing and reload drills in the house. But what I don't like specifically about Miami Valley is that they don't give a shit about their range. 4/5 times I go there, nearly all of the target stands have been shot to shit and are unusable/flopped over on the ground. It also attracts A LOT of Fudds. Last time I went there, my Brother and I had to yell at a guy because he was about to start shooting while there was still someone setting up a target down range. All of us make it back from setting up targets, but one guy is still down there. My Brother and I step back from the benches and are talking while going through our range bags to put away the staple gun and grab more ammo. We both hear "Click!" as he slams the bolt home on his AR, so we 'kindly' asked him to put it down. He was there with some chick and was clearly embarrassed. I think for a second he even tried to blame her for not telling him that someone was still down there. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Is that the range in Hamilton off of Millville Ave? Been thinking about going over there and checking it out. Have any details on it? Cost? who to get permission from if needed? etc. No it's near vandalia and huber heights. Not cinnci. Ah gotcha! Looked like one over in Hamilton from some other pics Ive seen. Nice shooting btw! |
| Well son, I hate to be the only one but I'm sure you can do better. It's hard to guess how much is rifle and how much is shooter but you still have some learning to do. It's been a long long time from when I was a new shooter but keep working at it, there is room for improvement. A good AR is very accurate. |
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That looks a lot shorter than 90 yards, more like 50-60. It's hard to judge in a picture though. At least you're sharing honest results though, good for you man. The cheek weld is the only reason I put up the Rogers Stoc and went back to the SOPMOD. Targets on the left are listed as 50 and on the right as 90. I didn't measure it. . No reason to doubt it I guess.After looking at it a few times, I'm about 80% sure that the distances are shorter (it looks like 50 & 90 Feet to me). I'm a surveyor by profession, and I'm pretty good at judging distance just by experience, but I can tell you that your eyes can lie more than anything (optical illusions are everywhere), and a photograph really makes it impossible to judge adequately. I would try and get a measurement next time you go. If you don't have a tape or rangefinder, pace it off (a stride is roughly a yard for most people). Also, you can use rangefinding reticles or Golf Range finders (they use a known quantity to estimate distance. Rangefinding reticle uses an 18" silhouette and a golf range finder uses the 4' something Pin, and cost about 10$). Just get the dimensions for a Golf Pin and cut a length of pipe or a stick to that size. I hate to be a doubter, it just looks about half the distance, and if it really is shorter it would be good for you to know (No need to report back to us if it is, it doesn't really matter). Like I said though, it could be spot on and the camera is playing tricks on me. If you're zeroing your gun for 100 yards and it's really 50, your holdovers could be off - and you never know when you may need to use that information in self defense. |
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By my measurements using a similar target and ruler and looking at the pictures, you are shooting around 2.5" groups or 3 MOA at 90 yds. Thats not good. However, the front scope mount is not even on the reciever and those grip pods are a joke for any kind of accurate shooting. So I guess it's really not that bad. Get the scope on the reciever to start and go from there. |
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That is pretty much the AR I am wanting minus the grip and stock. I have fired a few M16s in the Army and I have a real problem with cheek welds. I have a short neck and now have 4 herniated discs in my neck. The handle used to be too high and I had to adjust my helmet to sit way too high on my head. We tried everything with my drill sarge. The flat top AR is much better. I know when I get one I will have to work a while with different stocks and sights to get comfortable.
That was good shooting. I know of a lot of people who do not like those grips. Nice clean looking rifle, like it should be. |
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You guys should drop down and join the Miami Rifle and Pistol Club near Cincinnati - actually about midway between Milford and Batavia. They have a rifle range with firing lines at 200, 300, 500, and 600 yards, with Camp Perry style pits for the crew scoring the targets. Gotta be a member,. or a guest of a member, to shoot there, though.
Let me tell you, an AR15 at 600 yards is a real challenge! |
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Cherryelky305 --- I normally wouldn't reply to these type of threads... but, liked following your post. First... Nice Rifle and Nice Scope Too.
Make sure your comfortable behind the rifle. I don't know how big or small you are, but you might want to extend your MOE stock out farther and drop your scope back. No need to sit all up on the rifle. Make sure your not jamming your check weld for proper sight (scope) picture and not minuet ting. You should have plenty of eye relief. Are those Vortex scope rings? Make sure they are the right height "for you" and not just what you happened to get. Hard to tell their height by the photo. Don't move or adjust between your shot groups. Just trying to give you something else to look at. Just trying to help and want to see you be a good or better shooter. Others will join in soon with other thoughts. Good Luck, Happy and Safe Shooting! |
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if thats with a scope get your money back....... you shoud get 1 MOA at 100 yards with A2 open sights.. with a scope I can put rounds in the same holes @100 M and 1MOA at 300 M That's pretty impressive if it's with a rack grade chrome line barrel AR and bulk FMJ ammo..You should submit your groups in the MOA Challenge going on in GD.. |
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if thats with a scope get your money back....... you shoud get 1 MOA at 100 yards with A2 open sights.. with a scope I can put rounds in the same holes @100 M and 1MOA at 300 M Im sorry but - 
I was wondering who would be the first to raise the flag.
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I know that the method isn't "Tacticool", but I find that that I shoot a LOT more accurately, and with smaller groups, by getting off of the bench and/or bipod, and instead use a classic sling-supported prone position as in NRA Highpower.
For some reason, and it may be just a personal issue with body shape, arm length, flexibility, whatever, but when I try to get behind a rifle on a benchrest or on a bipod, I have to kind of strain my body into a strained and unnatural-feeling support position to get the sights on target and to get a good cheek weld. That straining and unnatural position introduces all sorts of undesired movement, pulse, and muscle fatigue (which results in the position decaying through a string of shots.) However, by using a regular old 1907 or G.I. web sling fashioned into a loop around my support arm and above the bicep, if I get the sling tight enough, and if I get my support arm elbow right under the gun so that my forearm is aligned with the rifle, then I am rock solid. The key is to get the sling tight enough, and to get that support elbow UNDER the rifle. I can check the position by watching the sights move as I breathe. If the sights move across the target at a diagonal, then the position isn't right. If they move vertically then I'm good to go. Also I find it to be of utmost importance to find my natural point of aim (NPOA). To check NPOA I get into position with my sights on target. Take a breath, and as I exhale to my natural respiratory pause, I close my eyes and make a conscious effort to relax my body from head to toe. The weight of my head is supported entirely by the stock weld, and the rifle should be supported by bone contact with the ground and not by any sort of muscle tension, As I reach my natural respiratory pause I open my eyes and look through the sights. If they are not pointing EXACTLY at the target center, then I shift my body, pivoting around my support elbow, until after the NPOA check, when I open my eyes, the sights are exactly on target. It sounds like it takes a long time to achieve this NPOA thing, but once you do it a few times you will find that you can drop down into position just from looking at the target and get pretty darned close with only very slight adjustments being necessary. Luckily my club has a benchrest range that has target berms at 50, 100, 150, and 200 yards, and about 10 or 12 concrete benches. But there is also an empty concrete area down at the end where I can shoot from, not shooting from a bench but from a sling-supported sitting or prone position. We also have a Highpower rifle range with firing lines at 200, 300, 500, and 600 yards, and they are simple grass knolls. |
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