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Quoted: Actually, they do have the CRS Zero Stop system, so that helps. Another reason we did it this way is that we also have some BDC turrets in the works that are calibrated for the 5.56mm, and those work better with a target style turret. Further down the road there will also be capped turret versions available. Probably a 2011 introduction. So, we will cover the different personal preferences.Quoted: Quoted: Sorry if I miss it ––But is the Viper PST 1-4x24 Riflescope available yet ? No, they will be available in the spring. I don't have a more definite date yet, but we are trying to get them finished ASAP. -Sam Just because the first thing I notice is the details, I have to ask... The reticle looks amazing and I'm very interested in seeing how well they do (and hope that they do), but why put non-zero stop target-style turrets on a CQ optic? With non-locked turrets and a lack of zero stop, the knobs can be bumped and de-zero'd quite easily. It seems counter-productive. The point of a CQ optic is to have locked turrets so accuracy is available when split-second shots come up. -Sam |
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Actually, they do have the CRS Zero Stop system, so that helps. Another reason we did it this way is that we also have some BDC turrets in the works that are calibrated for the 5.56mm, and those work better with a target style turret. Further down the road there will also be capped turret versions available. Probably a 2011 introduction. So, we will cover the different personal preferences. -Sam In that case, I can't wait until they come out. Zero-Stop 1x4 for under $600 seems to be an amazing deal. Thanks! |
| I've owned the NF 1-4 NXS with both the FC-2 and NP-1 reticles. They are not daytime visible. Not such an issue with the FC-2 as it's a bold design. The NP-1 was hard to pick up on the move. Still, no one can deny the benefits of a daytime illuminated reticle with regards to speed. |
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Actually, they do have the CRS Zero Stop system, so that helps. Another reason we did it this way is that we also have some BDC turrets in the works that are calibrated for the 5.56mm, and those work better with a target style turret. Further down the road there will also be capped turret versions available. Probably a 2011 introduction. So, we will cover the different personal preferences. -Sam Sam will those turrets be able to be retrofitted to the line of 1-4's coming out this spring? Same question regarding the turret caps. This going to be one helluva scope. +1 regarding contacting Larue. |
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Quoted: I'm not sure if I understand the question. The 1-4x24's coming out this spring will have the CRS Zero Stop standard, as will all of the Viper PST scopes.Quoted: Actually, they do have the CRS Zero Stop system, so that helps. Another reason we did it this way is that we also have some BDC turrets in the works that are calibrated for the 5.56mm, and those work better with a target style turret. Further down the road there will also be capped turret versions available. Probably a 2011 introduction. So, we will cover the different personal preferences. -Sam Sam will those turrets be able to be retrofitted to the line of 1-4's coming out this spring? Same question regarding the turret caps. This going to be one helluva scope. +1 regarding contacting Larue. Or do you mean if we come out with a capped turret version, will it able to be retrofitted onto the target-style turret scopes? If that's the case, the answer is probably not, although we haven't even designed those yet, so I will look into it and see if it would even be possible. -Sam |
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Ah, I see the confusion, I didn't explain myself correctly. I was asking if "future" 5.56 calibrated turrets could be retrofitted to the optic. Subsequently, I was wondering if and when turret caps were to come out - if they could also be retrofitted. Having the CRS pretty much negates the need for such a thing anyway - but still.
All good here. Guys, if you haven't perused Vortex's tactical website, you should. The features & specs are impressive. 
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Quoted: Ah, I see the confusion, I didn't explain myself correctly. I was asking if "future" 5.56 calibrated turrets could be retrofitted to the optic. Subsequently, I was wondering if and when turret caps were to come out - if they could also be retrofitted. Having the CRS pretty much negates the need for such a thing anyway - but still. All good here. Guys, if you haven't perused Vortex's tactical website, you should. The features & specs are impressive. H Oh, I see what you mean now. The 5.56mm BDC caps are easily retrofitted to the target-style turrets. It's just a simple matter of loosening the three set screws on the knob and pulling the knob off, then swapping it with the BDC knob. Swapping a target-style turret with a capped turret would be a little more involved though. If it is something we were to offer it would definitely have to be sent in to us and done here at our facility. -Sam |
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Molon: Do you still use your Nightforce? Absolutely and I won't be selling it any time soon. The latest generation is definitely brighter than the original ones. During certain conditions outdoors (eg aiming into a shaded or dark colored area) the illumination is visible. However, outdoors in the bright sunlight and against light colored areas, the illumination does wash out; the black reticle is still clearly visible though. 
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Molon: Do you still use your Nightforce? Absolutely and I won't be selling it any time soon. The latest generation is definitely brighter than the original ones. During certain conditions outdoors (eg aiming into a shaded or dark colored area) the illumination is visible. However, outdoors in the bright sunlight and against light colored areas, the illumination does wash out; the black reticle is still clearly visible though. http://www.box.net/shared/static/uj84dnp932.jpg Dumb question, but how can you tell which "generation" of scope a Nightforce is? |
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Damn... now I'm really confused about optics. Lots of high dollar 1-4x scopes in this thread. I had come to the conclusion that the Acog was the shit when it came to combat optics that also have magnification capabilities. Without getting too technical, can someone explain the advantages/disadvantages the OP's 1-4x scopes would have to the Acog?
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Damn... now I'm really confused about optics. Lots of high dollar 1-4x scopes in this thread. I had come to the conclusion that the Acog was the shit when it came to combat optics that also have magnification capabilities. Without getting too technical, can someone explain the advantages/disadvantages the OP's 1-4x scopes would have to the Acog? Please bear with me as I'm new to combat optics and don't know shit about them. Advantages of 1-4 Optics: More precision, more versatility at differing ranges. Disadvantages of 1-4 Optics: Inherently not as robust. More moving parts = higher chance to break. It's only a marginal difference, but something worth noting. It's that simple. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ah, I see the confusion, I didn't explain myself correctly. I was asking if "future" 5.56 calibrated turrets could be retrofitted to the optic. Subsequently, I was wondering if and when turret caps were to come out - if they could also be retrofitted. Having the CRS pretty much negates the need for such a thing anyway - but still. All good here. Guys, if you haven't perused Vortex's tactical website, you should. The features & specs are impressive. H Oh, I see what you mean now. The 5.56mm BDC caps are easily retrofitted to the target-style turrets. It's just a simple matter of loosening the three set screws on the knob and pulling the knob off, then swapping it with the BDC knob. Swapping a target-style turret with a capped turret would be a little more involved though. If it is something we were to offer it would definitely have to be sent in to us and done here at our facility. -Sam For the price, I would be interested in one of these scopes as well. Just curious, what is the function of the BDC caps? Also, how would the durability of the Viper 1-4 scope compare with the same version from your higher end line? Is the recticle viewable in the daylight when the power-illumination is turned off? Thanks, Mike |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ah, I see the confusion, I didn't explain myself correctly. I was asking if "future" 5.56 calibrated turrets could be retrofitted to the optic. Subsequently, I was wondering if and when turret caps were to come out - if they could also be retrofitted. Having the CRS pretty much negates the need for such a thing anyway - but still. All good here. Guys, if you haven't perused Vortex's tactical website, you should. The features & specs are impressive. H Oh, I see what you mean now. The 5.56mm BDC caps are easily retrofitted to the target-style turrets. It's just a simple matter of loosening the three set screws on the knob and pulling the knob off, then swapping it with the BDC knob. Swapping a target-style turret with a capped turret would be a little more involved though. If it is something we were to offer it would definitely have to be sent in to us and done here at our facility. -Sam For the price, I would be interested in one of these scopes as well. Just curious, what is the function of the BDC caps? Also, how would the durability of the Viper 1-4 scope compare with the same version from your higher end line? Is the recticle viewable in the daylight when the power-illumination is turned off? Thanks, Mike The BDC caps are calibrated for specific loads, so rather than dialing in x number of MOA's or mrads for a shot at a certain range, you just dial the turret to 200, 300, 400, 500, etc yards and then shoot. The 1-4x24 Viper PST doesn't have quite all of the same features as the Razor HD 1-4x24. The Razor HD has a brass erector tube, special hardened steel friction pads between the turret screws and erector tube, and steel on steel contact in all areas of high friction. So, the Razor HD is liek the ultimate in durability. The Viper PST's are still a very well built scope though and will hold up to a lot of abuse as well. The Viper PST 1-4x24 does have a daylight visible reticle, and yes it is also visible as just a black reticle when the power is off. -Sam |
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Molon: Do you still use your Nightforce? Absolutely and I won't be selling it any time soon. The latest generation is definitely brighter than the original ones. During certain conditions outdoors (eg aiming into a shaded or dark colored area) the illumination is visible. However, outdoors in the bright sunlight and against light colored areas, the illumination does wash out; the black reticle is still clearly visible though. http://www.box.net/shared/static/uj84dnp932.jpg Dumb question, but how can you tell which "generation" of scope a Nightforce is? Maybe a poor choice of words on my part. I don't know if they actually labeled them by different generations, just that they seem to have made improvements to the illumination over time. |
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I have read several reviews that it is not day time visible but would definitely be up for hearing more input from first hand experience. If you are shooting on a completely overcast day, or into a dark/shaded area, the illumination is slightly visible. Otherwise, it is washes out in sunlight. The pic below was taken on a completely overcast day with the illumination at the highest setting. 
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| Has anyone got their hands on a Vortex yet? I've been spending my money on other things, but I really do need something magnified beyond 50 yards on my carbine. My new Aimpoint ML3 is fantastic, but I hate my Eotech magnifier (or the Aimpoint I tried on someone else's rifle). My eyes suck (-9 diopters with astigmatism). |
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I also have major astigmatism issues and found classic "red dot" optics to be difficult to use because of the dot blurring out badly. I have better luck (in regards to sight picture) with the Leupold Prismatic optic for a both eyes open optic. I am currently waiting on a Nightforce 1-4 and am going to compare to the S&B short dot CQB scope with the same variable. I also had good luck sighting through the Trijicon scopes with fixed power (favorite set up had small red dot canted to right for closer targets, red dot on top of Trijicon seemed difficult due to requiring to break cheek weld). All of it was frustrating because buddies with good vision can grab a classic "great" such as EO Tech or Aimpoint and start gunning. Hope this gives you some ideas... |
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Not to start a flame war, but why is this scope only $600 when the Nightforce is $1300? You get what you pay for? The question was meant for the Vortex Optics rep. I figured there are significant structural differences in how both scopes are manufactured, along with the quality of the glass. My desire for a 1-4x optic is on the back burner right now, because I'm saving my pennies for a bobtailed 1911. |
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Regarding the Ruler of Truth Test:
I'm sure it's been covered somewhere before, but IIRC, the 1x or 1.1x is measured at the objective lens. So, factoring in the length of the scope+eye relief means seeing the view is from about 15" closer. At shooting distance, this is a tiny, almost unnoticeable percentage. Very close, say two feet, it's A LOT higher percentage of the distance. It would be more accurate to use something larger at shooting distance. This is also why front sights look fuzzy unless you adjust the focus to the distance of the front sight from the scope. Aimpoints and Eotechs don't bend light, hence their true 1x, no eye relief characteristics. The shooter's eye is adjusting focus automatically, which the scope doesn't do. The shooter's eye is stuck with the virtual image created by the optics at a fixed distance. Regarding 1x or 1.1x I read somewhere that most of those are based on thin lens calculations that don't account for the thicknesses of the lenses so it's not entirely accurate. More detailed calculations or actual measurement should be a more accurate gauge of actual magnification. I really like my TR24G a lot. Nothing's perfect, but thanks to the BAC, it works really well as a 1x and can be varied up to 4x. It's also nice to not worry about batteries or brightness adjustments. As shown, the worst case is a big, dull, green triangle that's still easy to see. As far as BUIS, there's not enough room on my bullpup anyway. Thanks, Lee |
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Your assumption pretty much answers your question, but does this mean that the PST 1-4 is not a tough scope,absolutely not, but rather that scopes like our Razor 1-4 are extremely overbuilt and have a few more features like the fact that it is first focal plane and overall higher grade components.
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