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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - JJE-H&R LLC acquisition of NoDak Spud (Page 3 of 89)
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HenryKnoxFineBooks posted: “Typically, when a small speciality company gets bought out, there is the promise of nothing changing, only now there will be more resources to produce what made the small company attractive for the buyout. The small company is frequently successful because it will serve a market niche that large companies did not find profitable. A reason for that success is the investment in the cost of production and quality that results in a lower margin, but appeals to the market leaders that make the product popular. Within a year, the popular product is withdrawn and level of service quality declines - we shall see if this will be the exception.” In my opinion if you want something from Nodak buy it now. I bought an AK pistol from Palmetto State Armory and it was a gauntlet of BS to try and get them to repair it. Seriously, if there is a negative comment about Nodak’ quality I’ve yet to hear it. On the other hand to all you cheerleaders who think this is a wonder thing I suggest you read the comments about Palmetto State Armory (PSA) on the Better Business Bureau website or look at what people have stated on the “Ripoff Report” about PSA. I believe there will shortly be two kinds of Nodak products: those produced BEFORE PSA bought them out and those produced AFTER PSA bought them out and the prices will reflect that. You’ve been warned. |
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Quoted: Rest assured, I plan to take a metered approach to product offerings and make this a sustainable endeavor. I want to keep the retro program focused on the core products that allow home builders to make their dreams come true. We will come out with a FEW complete guns, but as we've seen, it's hard to mass produce replica firearms that advanced collectors approve of. This is extremely exciting for me and I have big plans for H&R, and not just in the retro AR15 market. The biggest thing I ask is to have patience, as there will be a transition and learning curve for my new crew. If I order a "Tabuk" style flash hider will it be awhile beofer I get it? I ordered one from you guys and loved it, so I wanna get another one for my M70 Zastava. |
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Quoted: If I order a "Tabuk" style flash hider will it be awhile beofer I get it? I ordered one from you guys and loved it, so I wanna get another one for my M70 Zastava. Last day we are taking orders is the 23rd. Then in January our inventory will be shipped to West Columbia SC where I will be based with H&R. |
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Quoted: I can't speak fully for Harlan. But he is going to retire. Maybe he'll go on a craft beer tour or something. Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that.  
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Quoted: Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/263862323_652810269429324_84474987512072-2210080.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/265221392_929095111372344_11325797745929-2210081.jpg Nice. |
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Quoted: Rest assured, I plan to take a metered approach to product offerings and make this a sustainable endeavor. I want to keep the retro program focused on the core products that allow home builders to make their dreams come true. We will come out with a FEW complete guns, but as we've seen, it's hard to mass produce replica firearms that advanced collectors approve of. This is extremely exciting for me and I have big plans for H&R, and not just in the retro AR15 market. The biggest thing I ask is to have patience, as there will be a transition and learning curve for my new crew. Mausers? 
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Quoted: HenryKnoxFineBooks posted: “Typically, when a small speciality company gets bought out, there is the promise of nothing changing, only now there will be more resources to produce what made the small company attractive for the buyout. The small company is frequently successful because it will serve a market niche that large companies did not find profitable. A reason for that success is the investment in the cost of production and quality that results in a lower margin, but appeals to the market leaders that make the product popular. Within a year, the popular product is withdrawn and level of service quality declines - we shall see if this will be the exception.” In my opinion if you want something from Nodak buy it now. I bought an AK pistol from Palmetto State Armory and it was a gauntlet of BS to try and get them to repair it. Seriously, if there is a negative comment about Nodak’ quality I’ve yet to hear it. On the other hand to all you cheerleaders who think this is a wonder thing I suggest you read the comments about Palmetto State Armory (PSA) on the Better Business Bureau website or look at what people have stated on the “Ripoff Report” about PSA. I believe there will shortly be two kinds of Nodak products: those produced BEFORE PSA bought them out and those produced AFTER PSA bought them out and the prices will reflect that. You’ve been warned. I wouldn’t pay attention to the BBB or rip-off report. Any more than I would pay attention to Yelp or other review sites/apps where armies of anonymous autistic trolls live to crucify businesses over minutiae. |
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To everyone suggesting products, we appreciate your input. I already have a huge list of things we would like to do. Then there is the short list of what is going on right now. Some of which will be shared at SHOT Show. H&R is going to bring some cool things to market, I’m just not going to talk about them until they are ready. |
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Quoted: To everyone suggesting products, we appreciate your input. I already have a huge list of things we would like to do. Then there is the short list of what is going on right now. Some of which will be shared at SHOT Show. H&R is going to bring some cool things to market, I’m just not going to talk about them until they are ready. Cool! CD |
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Quoted: Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/263862323_652810269429324_84474987512072-2210170.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/265221392_929095111372344_11325797745929-2210171.jpg Nice build. The early days in Blaine with DCI (Dan Coonan) were something else. Harlan had a tremendous reputation for customer service from our Federal Arms Corp days. It really helped us hit the ground running with the Yugoslav AK receivers. Here's me and Harlan at the SAR show in Phoenix 2005. Humble beginnings 
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg 
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. |
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Yes, please. A LPK to match too? 
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Quoted: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. Yeah, we’re not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love.  |
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Quoted: Yeah, were not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love. Quoted: Quoted: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. Yeah, were not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love. All of my original uppers look awful, leave all the blems in place and market them as being more realistic.
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Attached File |
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg That’s nice. Any eta on when we will start seeing A1 uppers again? |
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Looks great. When will they be available to order? |
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Quoted: That’s nice. Any eta on when we will start seeing A1 uppers again? We still have some in the white. But anodized parts won’t happen again until we get settled in SC. As for lowers, we won’t have forgings until February. I don’t expect to have finished parts until late March at the earliest. |
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Outside the AR Retro discussion - Is there tooling and other hard assets that were formerly H&R used in manufacturing that were acquired? The old faithful H&R single shot shotguns as an example, licensing agreements for branded products (non-domestic shotguns, etc)? Things we saw over the last 10 years that were interesting but didn't have much innovation as sorted through the prism of a gun enthusiast - more corporate budget-based product offerings. For example a gun enthusiast at the helm would have innovated more from the platform - e.g. would have made a very poor man's judge from a 410 single shot H&R. There is a difference between equity and investment acquisitions - looks like PSA expects more innovation and is making this an investment. Very excited about this. Its a great old name - I'm sure you guys will revitalize it. |
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Quoted: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Nice! |
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Quoted: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. They will have big bad a$$ deburring machines - which is ideal. Once they are anodized you wont beable to tell the difference. Hand polishing is for the birds, and the ppl that can’t afford a big sweet deburring machine. Lol. I’m sure Mike is enjoying having his finger tips not sanded smooth. |
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Mike, The lower looks amazing. To the naysayers, Both vendors are sponsors of the forum (the tool we all use) This will only result in a high quality retro product for a reasonable price that will fill a void in the market. Nodak will make quality products no matter where they are or what they are called. |
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Quoted: Mike, The lower looks amazing. To the naysayers, Both vendors are sponsors of the forum (the tool we all use) This will only result in a high quality retro product for a reasonable price that will fill a void in the market. Nodak will make quality products no matter where they are or what they are called. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In the spirit of freedom site sponsorship should have 0 bearing on anything... sponsorship is just advertising space. There have been a ton of companies over the years that have gone down the tube after an acquisition, so there is validity in that side of the argument. I remain hopefully optimistic, but let others voice their own opinions. I wish them good luck and hope on quality products for years to come. |
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Quoted: I to was curious about this The H&R tradename, H&R trademarks and all H&R logos are solely owned intellectual property of JJE Capital Holdings. The use of these marks outside of anything sanctioned by JJE Capital is strictly prohibited. We have big plans for H&R. Many have been mentioned in this thread and some will surprise you. When I first met Mike Weteland, I knew he was the guy to run H&R. His knowledge of historical guns is second to none and his attention to detail is fantastic. In fact I think Mike be a bigger gun nut than me, which is quite an accomplishment. Let us know as you come up with ideas. Mike has been given the infrastructure, budget and authority to make H&R a premier manufacturer that focuses on retro designs and a few new ones. Proud to have Mike on board |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - JJE-H&R LLC acquisition of NoDak Spud (Page 3 of 89)
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