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12/21/2004 1:18:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Where is this collection located?

CRC
12/21/2004 1:19:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Titusville FL.

Closed to the public, unfortunately.
12/21/2004 1:24:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Sweet,

Thanks for the post!
12/21/2004 2:17:53 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
I need a cigarette



What gun porn!
12/21/2004 2:36:56 PM EDT
[#5]
I don't know about all of it- but much of Knight's collection comes from a trade with Colt.  Knight and Stoner pitched the "All American 2000" handgun concept to Colt and in part of the agreement Knight traded Colt for their MG collection.  Judging by the success of the handgun, I'd say Knight got a deal.  In the work-up of the design Stoner did most of the conceptual work and Knight helped with the machining, etc.  The prototype was made of aluminum.    
12/21/2004 3:01:15 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Funny how if you pay close attention to some of the details of those guns you'll notice a lot of concepts that are being sold today as "new."



Damnit, Lumpy, for the last frickin' time, quit reading my mind!  


Notable examples:

- Forward grips
- Belt-fed uppers
- Drum mags
- Match sights
- Carbines
- Gas Piston systems
- Replacement/modified handguards

-Troy
12/21/2004 3:04:53 PM EDT
[#7]
Don't forget the round forward assist
12/21/2004 3:09:00 PM EDT
[#8]
WOW!
I can't speak right now.
12/21/2004 3:17:11 PM EDT
[#9]
I have just one word.....DROOL!!!

they need to be where the public can see them.

I think they are killer....It is almost like watching the develoment of our ar 15/18/m-16 ar-10 etc....

Thanks,

Badredfish
12/21/2004 3:29:45 PM EDT
[#10]
my arm is sore, can somebody take over?
Good pron
12/21/2004 3:59:14 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Funny how if you pay close attention to some of the details of those guns you'll notice a lot of concepts that are being sold today as "new."



Damnit, Lumpy, for the last frickin' time, quit reading my mind!  


Notable examples:

- Forward grips
- Belt-fed uppers
- Drum mags
- Match sights
- Carbines
- Gas Piston systems
- Replacement/modified handguards

-Troy


not to mention flat top and dissitpator
12/21/2004 3:59:33 PM EDT
[#12]
Some day my collection will exceed this.


But thanks for giving me something to tide myself over with until then, Chen.
12/21/2004 3:59:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks chen...that is definatly one collection I would love to see in person!
12/21/2004 4:14:54 PM EDT
[#14]
Gulp... I'd give my left nut to see that collection in person.

Thanks for the glimpse, SMGlee.  
12/21/2004 4:36:34 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Funny how if you pay close attention to some of the details of those guns you'll notice a lot of concepts that are being sold today as "new."



Damnit, Lumpy, for the last frickin' time, quit reading my mind!  


Notable examples:

- Forward grips
- Belt-fed uppers
- Drum mags
- Match sights
- Carbines
- Gas Piston systems
- Replacement/modified handguards

-Troy



+ something that even looks like a mid-length.


This really needs a tack.
12/21/2004 4:55:46 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I don't know about all of it- but much of Knight's collection comes from a trade with Colt.  Knight and Stoner pitched the "All American 2000" handgun concept to Colt and in part of the agreement Knight traded Colt for their MG collection.  Judging by the success of the handgun, I'd say Knight got a deal.  In the work-up of the design Stoner did most of the conceptual work and Knight helped with the machining, etc.  The prototype was made of aluminum.    



Almost correct.....it was in payment for royalties.  Knight had a cast-iron license agreement which forced Colt to pay minimum royalties even if they meet sales projections.  IIRC the weapons were obtained during one of Colt's bankruptcies but I could be wrong.  
HFG
12/21/2004 5:54:45 PM EDT
[#17]
From your Lightfighter thread, was this the Colt SOCOM offensive handgun (or whatever the Mk23 is considered) entry?



And what's the story with the funky handguard on the Colt ACR entry?
12/21/2004 6:01:59 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Funny how if you pay close attention to some of the details of those guns you'll notice a lot of concepts that are being sold today as "new."



Damnit, Lumpy, for the last frickin' time, quit reading my mind!  


Notable examples:

- Forward grips
- Belt-fed uppers
- Drum mags
- Match sights
- Carbines
- Gas Piston systems
- Replacement/modified handguards

-Troy



+ something that even looks like a mid-length.


This really needs a tack.



Not to mention the semi-angled collapsible stocks in this one:



This definately deserves a tack.
12/21/2004 6:56:29 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:


This definately deserves a tack.



I think the deserve their own page. Along with a legend written by AR15.com site staff on what each piece is.  That would be something. A place the faithful could go to meditate and be at peace.
12/21/2004 7:41:22 PM EDT
[#20]
thats bas ass you can really see the evolution from the early stuff to what we have now.  wow if kac goes under sombodys gonna be set
12/21/2004 7:54:54 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
thats bas ass you can really see the evolution from the early stuff to what we have now.  wow if kac goes under sombodys gonna be set



I will definitely be at that auction
12/21/2004 8:42:15 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
This is the one I found that is transferable and for sale..................

Yeah, Rusty. I saw this one a couple of weeks ago. It's for sale at $20,000-$21,000. from autoweapons.com in Philadelphia.
This looks like  totally pristine rifle. Definately original finnish, etc.
I sure wish I were rich
12/21/2004 10:19:31 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Funny how if you pay close attention to some of the details of those guns you'll notice a lot of concepts that are being sold today as "new."


+1
Maybe those ideas are "mature" enough now for more people to see their advantages.  In addition to the previously mentioned list, I see something that looks a lot like a "Crane" telestock in there.

I may have to replace my keyboard now from the drooling , thanks SMGLee
12/22/2004 12:19:54 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
From your Lightfighter thread, was this the Colt SOCOM offensive handgun (or whatever the Mk23 is considered) entry?

photos.imageevent.com/smglee/kactour/KACTour157.jpg

And what's the story with the funky handguard on the Colt ACR entry?



Yes, that is the Colt SOCOM contender pistol.

The ACR handguard was to my recollection a shotgun type rib, to help aiming at close ranges in extremely quick situations.

12/22/2004 12:48:05 AM EDT
[#25]
mmmmm....is that Colt's original gas piston design I see?

12/22/2004 12:57:47 AM EDT
[#26]
Now, THAT is definitely cool!
12/22/2004 12:58:43 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:


This definately deserves a tack.



I think the deserve their own page. Along with a legend written by AR15.com site staff on what each piece is.  That would be something. A place the faithful could go to meditate and be at peace.



Indeed!  Even though it would take forever, if each were shown in an individual pic with accompanying info from you real experts, that would...  well, it could...   mmmm, I would sure learn a lot.
12/22/2004 2:54:48 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Darn nice collection.  I didn't realize anybody had the 'Aircrew Survival Rifle' version - it looks like he has TWO!! (there were only 10 made).



I know where one of those airforce survival "things" are here in North Carolina and it is for sale. IF anyone is interested I will send ya the owners contact info.

IPSC_GUY
12/22/2004 3:04:04 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Darn nice collection.  I didn't realize anybody had the 'Aircrew Survival Rifle' version - it looks like he has TWO!! (there were only 10 made).




Better yet, i see THREE of them....
12/22/2004 3:04:53 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Eugene Stoner was a genius.

+1000
12/22/2004 4:52:21 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:


I think they [the pictures] deserve their own page. Along with a legend written by AR15.com site staff on what each piece is.  That would be something. A place the faithful could go to meditate and be at peace.



I think this would be a very good permanent addition to the site.
12/22/2004 1:43:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Thanks Chen,  that is the absolute best  thing ever posted on this site.  Thanks for sharing them with us !!!
12/22/2004 6:08:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Outstanding.  Many many thanks to SMGLee for the pictures and information.  Nice to see these are in good hands so they will be taken care of for the future.  

Doug
12/22/2004 6:17:58 PM EDT
[#34]
Its finally been answered.
Q: How many AR's is enough?

A: That much!
12/22/2004 9:36:16 PM EDT
[#35]
OK, I'll open the can of worms. What if you burst in the room in dire need of a rifle or just had time to pick, which ONE?  
12/23/2004 2:25:54 AM EDT
[#36]
THAT IS SO AWESOME!
12/23/2004 5:32:26 AM EDT
[#37]
And to think that visting the NRA museaum in VA was the best thing guns had going for them...  Boy was I wrong.  The NRA ain't got shit compared to Stoner!
12/23/2004 12:41:31 PM EDT
[#38]
WHERES THE SHRIKE???

Seriousley, Chen what type of enviromental controls do they have to keep the collection in good condition? Any fn weapons or Berretas etc.....
12/24/2004 3:16:23 PM EDT
[#39]
It is temp control and the enviroment is dry.  

As far as FN, How about FN MAG number 1.......     Just make you want to cry.

There are a lot of modern firearms, but i basically skipped a entire wall of them.  
12/24/2004 3:20:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Damn!

It's gonna take me awhile to save all those.

Thanks Chen!

Danny
12/25/2004 9:50:12 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Darn nice collection.  I didn't realize anybody had the 'Aircrew Survival Rifle' version - it looks like he has TWO!! (there were only 10 made).




Better yet, i see THREE of them....



Someone brought one to the boomershoot a few years ago, first time I'd ever heard of it.
12/27/2004 9:07:31 AM EDT
[#42]
can someone please post a pic of the 'Aircrew Survival Rifle' ...there are so many I've never seen I don't know which one is being referred to...thanks!!!


Russell

and yes....thanks Chen....fantasic pics...you are a very fortunate man to have gotten to see these in person....you lucky rascal!
12/29/2004 4:56:19 AM EDT
[#43]
Here you are, the 608 (Aircrew Survival Rifle) are the ones with the chopped grips.

Sammy




Quoted:
can someone please post a pic of the 'Aircrew Survival Rifle' ...there are so many I've never seen I don't know which one is being referred to...thanks!!!


Russell

and yes....thanks Chen....fantasic pics...you are a very fortunate man to have gotten to see these in person....you lucky rascal!

1/2/2005 8:38:26 PM EDT
[#44]
AMAZING!

+1
1/3/2005 8:23:23 PM EDT
[#45]
I was thinking the same thing on all those features that we see today.  I didn't realize some were that old.  The flip up irons and the middy were the biggest surprise to me.

I didn't realize there were so many variants of the Stoner 63 either.  I thought there were only 3 or 4.

Thanks for posting Chen!!!
1/9/2005 5:44:51 PM EDT
[#46]
ACK!  You didn't get a picture of these two AR-15's with gas pistons on them! Here:



They are #6 and #7 from the top on the right hand side.  Do you have high-res pictures or FULL pictures of either of these two gems?
1/9/2005 6:01:47 PM EDT
[#47]

I wish i had seen this thread earlier. Thanks
for the pics Chen.

On the last pic posted,
Specifically the two 20" with folding FS and the carbine above the ACR-
does anyone recognize the little circular device
about an inch left of the brass deflector? What is it?

Also......I gotta ask, where are the M4s?


1/9/2005 6:08:51 PM EDT
[#48]
DUPE

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=14&t=216349
1/14/2005 4:34:06 AM EDT
[#49]
The photos are over-the-top.  This is awesome!  Definitely a book in itself.  
chen, you are da' man.  Thanks!
1/14/2005 5:15:35 PM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
More pic at Lightfighter.com,
lightfighter.net/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=7336015661&f=9046084761&m=403104078



looks like lightfighter's down

eta: backup

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