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9/30/2023 11:28:17 AM EDT
Folks,
      I need some help diagnosing an issue I have with my new (<100 rounds) AK103 from PSA. The pics below are from two incidents during the same sessions and can show you better than I can describe but it seems I have an extraction issue. Mags are from PSA, ammo is from a spam can that I bought from my local gun store. All of the rounds at the very least look good to go. Issue is happening at random times, sometimes after the first shot, sometimes I get through half a mag and we're stuck again. Weapon was cleaned before this last shoot.

Pics:






Any help would be very much appreciated.
9/30/2023 11:33:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Sorry I cant help with your problem, but what optic mount are you using?
9/30/2023 11:34:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Hammer hump.

The carrier rides over the hammer and causes stoppages.
Just had to break my psa in as well.

Takes a good amount to break in. Dremmel can make it quicker.

Solution: rack the carrier 4-500 times then shoot a few more mags.
Remy wont let me down like Mia did.
9/30/2023 7:13:49 PM EDT
[#3]
It is the AK Alpha Series Optic Mount mounted on a AK Alpha Series 6'' Handguard, both from Midwest Industries.
10/2/2023 4:08:29 PM EDT
[#4]
Originally Posted By BritEod:
Folks,
      I need some help diagnosing an issue I have with my new (<100 rounds) AK103 from PSA. The pics below are from two incidents during the same sessions and can show you better than I can describe but it seems I have an extraction issue. Mags are from PSA, ammo is from a spam can that I bought from my local gun store. All of the rounds at the very least look good to go. Issue is happening at random times, sometimes after the first shot, sometimes I get through half a mag and we're stuck again. Weapon was cleaned before this last shoot.

Pics:
https://i.imgur.com/G98JEk3.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/LJWbVxo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jLZoiVg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3Gn3c35.jpg

Any help would be very much appreciated.
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If you would like us to take a look at it, please PM me your order number.

Thank you,

Josiah
Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd
Columbia, SC 29210
Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950
10/3/2023 6:10:07 PM EDT
[#5]
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Originally Posted By BIGSHOOTER414:
Hammer hump.

The carrier rides over the hammer and causes stoppages.
Just had to break my psa in as well.

Takes a good amount to break in. Dremmel can make it quicker.

Solution: rack the carrier 4-500 times then shoot a few more mags.
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So what you're saying is, is that I'm about to get a lot of practice on stoppage drills.
10/10/2023 11:00:16 AM EDT
[#6]
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:


If you would like us to take a look at it, please PM me your order number.

Thank you,

Josiah
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Thank you for the offer. AS one of the other posters recommended, I'm going to it some more and see if that works. If I don't see any improvements I'll be sure to give you guys a call.
12/14/2024 12:16:52 PM EDT
[#7]
UPDATE: It appears that the empty casing was ejecting, hitting the optic mount, and then falling back into the chamber. Took the mount off and now she runs fine. According to other PSA owners, its a known issue with the Midwest Industries mount.
12/14/2024 4:02:15 PM EDT
[#8]
YEah that tracks - Hop did a video on modernizing an AK and he had that mount (actually I think he had two versions of that mount) and both did the same thing...he's even got video of it happening. Which sucks...there's not a whole lot of ways to mount an optic to an AK which will let you also fold the stock..
"Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he pulled the pin on another grenade...
12/15/2024 8:14:51 AM EDT
[#9]
Would you mind sending me the link to this video? I'm curious to see what else he finds out.

Since I have the Midwest Industries handguard on the rifle, I am going to try the optic forward on the handguard. That's a new setup for me, but I have seen it enough times on other folks rifles to say it works.
12/15/2024 9:27:59 AM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsjxSyX7hBw

About 4 minutes 20 seconds in, I think?

It's worth noting Hop is dour on everything But he does bring up some good points. Nothing's perfect.
"Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he pulled the pin on another grenade...
12/16/2024 12:21:14 PM EDT
[#11]
Much appreciated, thank you. I wish I had seen this before I bought the mount. Anyway, life goes on.
12/21/2024 10:24:18 PM EDT
[#12]


You can see the wear from where the empty casing was hitting the optic mount.
2/24/2025 10:15:10 PM EDT
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That's a good eye by @tranzformer.

I'd try dremeling the area that's missing its anodizing to get some of that material out of the way to get rid of the cartridge bounce-back.

If it doesn't work, keep grinding.

I think it's worth the gamble because I think it will work.

If you're too hesitant to do that, try adhering something soft to the aforementioned area to slow down the cartridge bounce. Maybe it's in time with your handle and the handle is throwing it back in. Disrupt the timing between the two.

It may even go away some once springs change rate.
2/24/2025 10:40:04 PM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By BritEod:
UPDATE: It appears that the empty casing was ejecting, hitting the optic mount, and then falling back into the chamber. Took the mount off and now she runs fine. According to other PSA owners, its a known issue with the Midwest Industries mount.
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I was just looking at the mount where you posted what it is was. Seems there is a new improved version to address this very issue. Might be worth the call/email to reach out to Midwest.
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