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Originally Posted By 18B30: India should have bought Ar15 style guns...... Originally Posted By 18B30: India should have bought Ar15 style guns...... India is a country of cheapskates who will agree to whoever will sell them shit at the lowest price Originally Posted By vmpglenn: 7.62x39 has an effective range of 800 meters? Hmm. I'm sure they just saw the 800m max marking on the iron sights and said "wow" |
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Probably. At least they still have manufacturing. Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Originally Posted By NE223: Indian manufacturing can probably figure out a way to fuck up an AK. Probably. At least they still have manufacturing. You know the U.S. has a bigger manufacturing base than India, right? Where do people get the “the U.S. doesn’t build anything” myth? Is it a “if you’re not first, you’re last”, Reese Bobby thing? He was high when he said that, btw… |
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Originally Posted By vmpglenn: 7.62x39 has an effective range of 800 meters? Hmm. I’ve taken it out 600 yards several times and hit targets. Granted, 600 yards is not 853.33 yards, but 7.62 is more capable than some people think. Travis Haley did a video where he was shooting a 300 BO SBR out to 800 yards and making hits. 300 BO is very similar to x39, ballistically. |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: You know the U.S. has a bigger manufacturing base than India, right? Where do people get the “the U.S. doesn’t build anything” myth? Is it a “if you’re not first, you’re last”, Reese Bobby thing? He was high when he said that, btw… Why would you think I was talking about the US when I wrote that? What is inside you that assumed I was talking about the US? I am a Texan who lives in Texas. I know that the GDP output of Texas is more than 1/2 the output of the entire country of India. Did you? I ask again, what is it that you assumed I was talking about the US? |
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Why would you think I was talking about the US when I wrote that? What is inside you that assumed I was talking about the US? I am a Texan who lives in Texas. I know that the GDP output of Texas is more than 1/2 the output of the entire country of India. Did you? I ask again, what is it that you assumed I was talking about the US? Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: You know the U.S. has a bigger manufacturing base than India, right? Where do people get the “the U.S. doesn’t build anything” myth? Is it a “if you’re not first, you’re last”, Reese Bobby thing? He was high when he said that, btw… Why would you think I was talking about the US when I wrote that? What is inside you that assumed I was talking about the US? I am a Texan who lives in Texas. I know that the GDP output of Texas is more than 1/2 the output of the entire country of India. Did you? I ask again, what is it that you assumed I was talking about the US? “At least they still have manufacturing…” Compared to who, then? Why the butthurt? |
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Originally Posted By MaxxII: I’ve taken it out 600 yards several times and hit targets. Granted, 600 yards is not 853.33 yards, but 7.62 is more capable than some people think. Travis Haley did a video where he was shooting a 300 BO SBR out to 800 yards and making hits. 300 BO is very similar to x39, ballistically. I mean it's possible but that's on a one way range, an experienced shooter, magnified optics, and quality ammo. Indian army?? Ehhhhh I dunno. We're talking guys who throw rocks back and forth with the Chinese over a cobblestone border wall. Soviet designs always factored in volley fire because it's something they were taught to do - for that matter it's something all armies used to do, but the Soviets held on to the idea for longer than anyone else for some reason. Same reason you can look at a Mosin and see absurdly long range markings on the leaf sight - like up to 1500 meters (or arshins on pre-Soviet models). No individual soldier would've been expected to be effective at that range, but put a squad or two of men together and tell them you're volley firing at this general area 800 meters out - yeah then you might have some effect. One of them will probably hit something. That's pretty much the same idea with anything marked beyond the "battle" setting on an AK leaf sight, which is intended to hit any man sized target within 300m. That's really the more realistic effective range of 7.62x39 before ballistic drop, wind, dew, temperature etc. start to drastically effect its trajectory and energy just drops straight off I'm more surprised that India didn't opt for the 5.56 version since they've been tooled up to produce it for the INSAS for quite some time. |
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Originally Posted By mancat: I mean it's possible but that's on a one way range, an experienced shooter, magnified optics, and quality ammo. Indian army?? Ehhhhh I dunno. We're talking guys who throw rocks back and forth with the Chinese over a cobblestone border wall. Soviet designs always factored in volley fire because it's something they were taught to do - for that matter it's something all armies used to do, but the Soviets held on to the idea for longer than anyone else for some reason. Same reason you can look at a Mosin and see absurdly long range markings on the leaf sight - like up to 1500 meters (or arshins on pre-Soviet models). No individual soldier would've been expected to be effective at that range, but put a squad or two of men together and tell them you're volley firing at this general area 800 meters out - yeah then you might have some effect. One of them will probably hit something. That's pretty much the same idea with anything marked beyond the "battle" setting on an AK leaf sight, which is intended to hit any man sized target within 300m. That's really the more realistic effective range of 7.62x39 before ballistic drop, wind, dew, temperature etc. start to drastically effect its trajectory and energy just drops straight off I'm more surprised that India didn't opt for the 5.56 version since they've been tooled up to produce it for the INSAS for quite some time. Originally Posted By mancat: Originally Posted By MaxxII: I’ve taken it out 600 yards several times and hit targets. Granted, 600 yards is not 853.33 yards, but 7.62 is more capable than some people think. Travis Haley did a video where he was shooting a 300 BO SBR out to 800 yards and making hits. 300 BO is very similar to x39, ballistically. I mean it's possible but that's on a one way range, an experienced shooter, magnified optics, and quality ammo. Indian army?? Ehhhhh I dunno. We're talking guys who throw rocks back and forth with the Chinese over a cobblestone border wall. Soviet designs always factored in volley fire because it's something they were taught to do - for that matter it's something all armies used to do, but the Soviets held on to the idea for longer than anyone else for some reason. Same reason you can look at a Mosin and see absurdly long range markings on the leaf sight - like up to 1500 meters (or arshins on pre-Soviet models). No individual soldier would've been expected to be effective at that range, but put a squad or two of men together and tell them you're volley firing at this general area 800 meters out - yeah then you might have some effect. One of them will probably hit something. That's pretty much the same idea with anything marked beyond the "battle" setting on an AK leaf sight, which is intended to hit any man sized target within 300m. That's really the more realistic effective range of 7.62x39 before ballistic drop, wind, dew, temperature etc. start to drastically effect its trajectory and energy just drops straight off I'm more surprised that India didn't opt for the 5.56 version since they've been tooled up to produce it for the INSAS for quite some time. 1st time I did was at Kalashni-con. I was using a non-magnified red dot from the prone position on a makeshift roof. And it was timed. I was shooting Wolf 123 gr fmj shooting out of my Bulgarian SLR101S (precursor to the SAM 7). The target was a full-sized IDPA silhouette. I'm not disagreeing with you about individual soldiers doing it without practice, I'm stating it can be done under pressure if you practice. |
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Originally Posted By mancat: I mean it's possible but that's on a one way range, an experienced shooter, magnified optics, and quality ammo. Indian army?? Ehhhhh I dunno. We're talking guys who throw rocks back and forth with the Chinese over a cobblestone border wall. Soviet designs always factored in volley fire because it's something they were taught to do - for that matter it's something all armies used to do, but the Soviets held on to the idea for longer than anyone else for some reason. Same reason you can look at a Mosin and see absurdly long range markings on the leaf sight - like up to 1500 meters (or arshins on pre-Soviet models). No individual soldier would've been expected to be effective at that range, but put a squad or two of men together and tell them you're volley firing at this general area 800 meters out - yeah then you might have some effect. One of them will probably hit something. That's pretty much the same idea with anything marked beyond the "battle" setting on an AK leaf sight, which is intended to hit any man sized target within 300m. That's really the more realistic effective range of 7.62x39 before ballistic drop, wind, dew, temperature etc. start to drastically effect its trajectory and energy just drops straight off I'm more surprised that India didn't opt for the 5.56 version since they've been tooled up to produce it for the INSAS for quite some time. I am 100% confident that the decision to procure the AK 203 had nothing to do with military effectiveness, and everything to do with who was getting the kickbacks at every stage - the factory location, the ammo plants, the management, the workers, the generals and government officials over procurement - all of them had their hand out, and shithole countries like Russia know that they have to pay, and are happy to do it. This is why Russia has and had such shit equipment - eventually there isn't enough money left to actually produce what was specified, so corners get cut. And in Russia, it's only a crime if you get too greedy, make the "boss" look bad. 
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Why would you think I was talking about the US when I wrote that? What is inside you that assumed I was talking about the US? “What is inside you”, hole-ee she-it! LMFAO!!! When you crack the code of what is inside internet people, all the world’s wealth and riches will be yours. I have aired theories that resulted in subsequent bans from lesser sites. 
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Originally Posted By JamesJones: India is all over the place with the rifles they choose. I thought they used sig 716s? X39 seems like a weird choice to go with as well. I guess it's still big in the middle east and Africa though. India has courted both western and former Soviet arms industries over the years. It’s probably the weirdest collection of equipment around the world outside of African or Afghani arms bazaars. They fly Su-30MKI fighters go with their French Rafales and Russia is trying to woo them with Su-57E fighters.  I’m not sure I’d want to carry an AK-203 made in India. Venezuela maybe, CAVIM used to be good stuff so maybe their ghost will help them out. Vietnam’s licensed production of that Galil ACE is probably good too. 
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Originally Posted By mancat: I mean it's possible but that's on a one way range, an experienced shooter, magnified optics, and quality ammo. Indian army?? Ehhhhh I dunno. We're talking guys who throw rocks back and forth with the Chinese over a cobblestone border wall. Soviet designs always factored in volley fire because it's something they were taught to do - for that matter it's something all armies used to do, but the Soviets held on to the idea for longer than anyone else for some reason. Same reason you can look at a Mosin and see absurdly long range markings on the leaf sight - like up to 1500 meters (or arshins on pre-Soviet models). No individual soldier would've been expected to be effective at that range, but put a squad or two of men together and tell them you're volley firing at this general area 800 meters out - yeah then you might have some effect. One of them will probably hit something. That's pretty much the same idea with anything marked beyond the "battle" setting on an AK leaf sight, which is intended to hit any man sized target within 300m. That's really the more realistic effective range of 7.62x39 before ballistic drop, wind, dew, temperature etc. start to drastically effect its trajectory and energy just drops straight off I'm more surprised that India didn't opt for the 5.56 version since they've been tooled up to produce it for the INSAS for quite some time. Beat me to it. I too was going to say Volley Fire. |
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Originally Posted By cb4017: Wonder how the MIM parts are going to hold up. Probably fine since many AK parts on even modern Russian rifles have been cast for some time. FSB, RSB, gas block, even rear trunnion are now often cast on Russian rifles and many others. Cast front trunnion, bolt, and carrier are a problem. I assume if Russia set them up with tooling, they're forging all of these parts. No way to know though. At least the factory looks clean. Nowhere near FB levels though - that place looks like you could eat off the floor |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: You know the U.S. has a bigger manufacturing base than India, right? Where do people get the “the U.S. doesn’t build anything” myth? Is it a “if you’re not first, you’re last”, Reese Bobby thing? He was high when he said that, btw… I mean if you want to talk about US manufacturing how about all those US companies like Colt & Sig that Build firearms here in the state that SOURCES alot of parts from India MIM since what? 2017? |
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Originally Posted By JamesJones: ... X39 seems like a weird choice to go with as well. I guess it's still big in the middle east and Africa though. I'd bet they plan to widely export their Kalashnikovs to whomever will pay & undercut their Russian "allies". Bigger_Hammer 
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Originally Posted By KDG_Dave: I mean if you want to talk about US manufacturing how about all those US companies like Colt & Sig that Build firearms here in the state that SOURCES alot of parts from India MIM since what? 2017? Originally Posted By KDG_Dave: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: You know the U.S. has a bigger manufacturing base than India, right? Where do people get the "the U.S. doesn't build anything" myth? Is it a "if you're not first, you're last", Reese Bobby thing? He was high when he said that, btw I mean if you want to talk about US manufacturing how about all those US companies like Colt & Sig that Build firearms here in the state that SOURCES alot of parts from India MIM since what? 2017? Have a link to prove any of this? |
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Originally Posted By GriswoldGuns: 7.62x39 makes about as much sense as US going back to .30-06. Heavier ammo. Heavier gun. Magazines take more physical space. Unless they have a stockpile of 5billion rounds, I can’t see a good reason for it. This thread has nothing to do with the US market. But there are lots of us that do have stock piles of 7.62 and its not hard to get if you dont. |
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Originally Posted By pscipio03: How soon before we see street vendors using them to flip frying cow turds... or whatever the fuck they are making in those diarrhea inducing videos. The Doo Doo kitchen videos on IG / X are hilarious. |
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Originally Posted By KDG_Dave: This thread has nothing to do with the US market. But there are lots of us that do have stock piles of 7.62 and its not hard to get if you dont. Originally Posted By KDG_Dave: Originally Posted By GriswoldGuns: 7.62x39 makes about as much sense as US going back to .30-06. Heavier ammo. Heavier gun. Magazines take more physical space. Unless they have a stockpile of 5billion rounds, I can’t see a good reason for it. This thread has nothing to do with the US market. But there are lots of us that do have stock piles of 7.62 and its not hard to get if you dont. I don't think he meant that because of a availability but it is an odd choice for a modern military to choose x39. It's pretty available across the world in general but I would think 556 or even 545 would of made more sense. Maybe they like that bigger round with their last cartridge being 308 in the sig716. |
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Waiting to hear how the future “worst AK ever” is coming along. I mean how long has it been since anyone adopted the 7.62 x 39 caliber anyhow? Russia and Russia leaning former Warsaw pact countries use 5.45 mainly at this point. Just a weird choice. India- same country where their .308 surplus ammo from 1975 is pretty dang good, and their surplus ammo from 1999 is flat out dangerous…. Yeah I am sure this project will go just great. (They had foreign help in the 70’s- various sources claim either Radway Green or Winchester helped them set up .308 ammo production back then). |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I wonder if Century will Import INSAS parts kits. https://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/_thumbs/Images/assault/as67/insas.jpg The support line for out of spec parts is already set up, I’ll bet. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: I see you have popped in to trash companies. Have a link to prove any of this? Oh please...Stating FACTS isnt trashing companies. Its been well known for decades US company's use MIM parts. Do your own research and you will see. You can even just look at the parts themselves and see it. Go into your local gun store. The odds are you will see "Made in India" on the packaging it no big secret. |
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