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greenwheless Joined Dec 2008 Posts 83 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 10/26/2009 10:48:06 AM EDT [#1] Tony, So I finally received the FOIA documents the other week and wanted to provide you with more information on my Colt M16A1 (SN 9310894): It looks like its birth was December 20th, 1997 and it was originally made with a 20" barrel.

greenwheless Joined Dec 2008 Posts 84 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 10/26/2009 10:48:57 AM EDT [#2] 1977

tony_k How was I to know she was with the Russians, too? Joined Jun 2001 Posts 8094 EE 100% (8) FL, USA	Posted: 10/26/2009 12:50:03 PM EDT [Last Edit: tony_k] [#3] Originally Posted By greenwheless: 1977 Thanks! I added yours. FYI, the 9-million SN list on the first page of this thread is now updated. I just added several hundred new SNs with configurations –– have fun, guys!
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hemcon9

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Posted: 11/3/2009 1:22:25 PM EDT

[#4]

Found another one:
#W350837
Marked with Colt logo on the left side magwell and 'property of U.S. Government' M4a1 carbine cal. 5.56mm
also marked -Colt Defense Hartford, Conn. U.S.A. on the left side lower receiver above the trigger pin hole

14.5" bbl cut for 203, selector markings safe, semi and auto with collapsible stock. This was a 'contractor' weapon issued to me by D.O.S. in A-stan

ParaShootist

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Posted: 11/10/2009 1:34:18 PM EDT

[#5]

We just received several from DoD on a program for the agency. All look to be 604s - non-trap butt, no forward assist.

Earliest serial # 049,xxx had chrome slick-side bolt carrier, early large-head firing pin, 3-prong FH and no fence around mag release.

Latest serial # 4,01x,xxx had std M16A1 features incl. fence around mag release.

All are roll marked as follows:

COLT
AR-15
PROPERTY
OF US GOVT.
M 16
CAL. 5.56 MM.
SERIAL XXXXX

davev Joined Oct 2007 Posts 17 EE 0% (0) NV, USA	Posted: 12/16/2009 5:31:45 PM EDT [Last Edit: davev] [#6] I'll add mine: This is a good carbine for reference, it is new and unmodified. SN 9506663

limeytwo

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Posted: 1/16/2010 2:08:15 PM EDT

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Just purchased an transferable M16A2 burst roll stamped rifle, dark gray, sn#8006xxx everything is standard A2, except the lower receiver is in A1 configuration forging, this is an un-molested original rifle NIB or ANIB.

Was it common for Colt to roll stamp a non reinforced lower with M16A2,

I have seen earlier serial numbered 8 mil series rifles with regular reinforced A2 receivers and black finish, so were guns manufactured out of serial number order, as my gun is quite late in the transferable pre may 86 range with an A1 style lower and gray color, yet earlier ones were black with A2 style lowers

Was Colt really that unconcerned with what receiver forging they used and does the non reinforced (but still M16A2 marked) lower alter the rifles value significantly.

davev Joined Oct 2007 Posts 32 EE 0% (0) NV, USA	Posted: 1/17/2010 11:43:14 AM EDT [#8] Originally Posted By limeytwo: Just purchased an transferable M16A2 burst roll stamped rifle, dark gray,.... this is an un-molested original rifle NIB or ANIB. .... Pictures required... please!

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Posted: 1/17/2010 12:20:38 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By limeytwo:
Just purchased an transferable M16A2 burst roll stamped rifle, dark gray, sn#8006xxx everything is standard A2, except the lower receiver is in A1 configuration forging, this is an un-molested original rifle NIB or ANIB.

Was it common for Colt to roll stamp a non reinforced lower with M16A2,

I have seen earlier serial numbered 8 mil series rifles with regular reinforced A2 receivers and black finish, so were guns manufactured out of serial number order, as my gun is quite late in the transferable pre may 86 range with an A1 style lower and gray color, yet earlier ones were black with A2 style lowers

Was Colt really that unconcerned with what receiver forging they used and does the non reinforced (but still M16A2 marked) lower alter the rifles value significantly.

It's not unique, but not common, either: In the months leading up to May 19, 1986, Colt saw a surge in orders from distributors who wanted "future" transferables in stock. So Colt used whatever receivers were available, and a bunch of A2s were built from A1 forgings.

As far as how it affects the value ... well, a hard-core Colt collector might pay a premium because they are somewhat rare ... but OTOH, since A2s already command a premium over A1s, a less collection-oriented buyer might value it lower –– after all, if they are paying the A2 premium, they want the A2 features. I'd call it a wash, and just enjoy your new MG.

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tgus Joined Dec 2006 Posts 360 EE 100% (44) USA	Posted: 2/11/2010 3:02:49 PM EDT [#10] # 6560611 is another M16A1 HBAR with the M14 bipod it for sale now on subguns.

dmtsc Joined Jan 2006 Posts 1245 EE 100% (45) VA, USA	Posted: 4/29/2010 5:08:28 PM EDT [#11] Originally Posted By tgus: # 6560611 is another M16A1 HBAR with the M14 bipod it for sale now on subguns. 9560611 is the correct serial #, Its mine now

tgus Joined Dec 2006 Posts 387 EE 100% (44) USA	Posted: 5/4/2010 9:16:39 PM EDT [#12] Originally Posted By dmtsc: Originally Posted By tgus: # 6560611 is another M16A1 HBAR with the M14 bipod it for sale now on subguns. 9560611 is the correct serial #, Its mine now oops I didn't notice I messed that up. Congrats on a great gun. Here is a another serial to add to the list.

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Posted: 8/11/2010 11:34:08 PM EDT

[#13]

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Not doing research on commercial rifles, but I have noted a few things not mentioned elsewhere:

There are a bunch of odd balls in the 014000-015XXX range.

It appears that Colt's put out a batch of rifles in the 014000-015000 range in 1965. Unlike the rifles made in 1959-63 these have a partial lower receiver boss, and are not marked ARMALITE, and were built with parts circa 1965 (as in black furniture, non chrome bolt, etc, etc). A few are even marked Model 01.

018000-039XXX

Mixture of US and non US Property marked Model 02's, plus some other tool room one offs, and commercial guns.

200,000 serial number range
various tool room experiments, and commercial guns, none US Property marked

300,000 serial number range
not used
400,000 serial number range
various tool room experiments, and commercial guns, none US Property marked

I just had my hands on a "US Government Property" M16 with the serial 320XXX.
No prefix letters or anything. No forward assist. Black triangle handgards. Bird cage flash hider.
It's an old Military rifle.

Any idea of it's age?

jjlovik Joined Jan 2010 Posts 27 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 11/29/2010 11:22:03 PM EDT [Last Edit: jjlovik] [#14] Tony, this one is in my inventory.It was listed earlier as ANIB. It still is. It is standard 20 inch. Thanks, Jerry

Fredmisery

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Posted: 3/23/2011 12:59:47 AM EDT

[#15]

I have a Colt factory rollmarked M16A1. Purchased in original A1 configuration, 20" barrel, triangular handguards, tear-drop forward assist. Rebuilt in a more modern configuration, but all internals stay factory Colt. Run a few different uppers on it, but maintain all the original parts. Serial # is 9256XXX. I know it was in a VA police dept it's entire life and I believe it was manufactured around 74-75 timeframe. No additional engraving or markings from dept, selector marked safe-semi-auto. Hope that helps the database Tony. If you stumble across any info regarding this firearm please pass it on. One more thing, it was purchased from Ruben Mendiola, whom I highly recommend.

243winxb Joined Nov 2008 Posts 127 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 1/28/2012 2:16:53 PM EDT [Last Edit: 243winxb] [#16] # 9278363 Sold in 2011 to a dealer. Wonder where it is now? M16A1 Carbine. Bough new in 1979. 3X Colt scope. Photos > www.photobucket.com/M16A1 and slide show http://s338.photobucket.com/user/joe1944usa/slideshow/M16A1%20Carbine

tony_k How was I to know she was with the Russians, too? Joined Jun 2001 Posts 10548 EE 100% (8) FL, USA	Posted: 1/28/2012 7:36:53 PM EDT [#17] Originally Posted By 243winxb: # 9278363 Sold in 2011 to a dealer. Wonder where it is now? Ummm .... here? http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=145653
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243winxb Joined Nov 2008 Posts 129 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 1/29/2012 7:25:43 PM EDT [#18] Could be, Email was no longer in use. Originally Posted By tony_k: Originally Posted By 243winxb: # 9278363 Sold in 2011 to a dealer. Wonder where it is now? Ummm .... here? http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=145653

geavlaw

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Posted: 11/12/2012 10:21:22 AM EDT

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All:

Just purchased from Ruben an M16A1 factory carbine. Called Colt to try and track down the date of manufacture, and any other information Colt might have on the firearm. It is serial number 92846XX, but the Colt representative's understanding was that there should be a two-letter prefix, which does not appear in any of the photos we have looked at so far. Any assistance from the forum as to this serial number M16 would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

jbzz71 Joined Jan 2001 Posts 17 EE 100% (1) CO, USA	Posted: 4/5/2013 11:06:21 PM EDT [#20] Tony, Here is another to add to the list. 9280xxx Rolled marked M16A1 14.5" barrel 2 position stock Originally sold by dealer to 1st owner in 1978. I bought it in 2000.

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Posted: 5/12/2013 11:11:04 AM EDT

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HERE IS A COMPLETE, UPDATED LIST OF 9-MIL SERIAL NUMBERS OF KNOWN TRANSFERABLES:

9024027 – Rollmarked M16, but standard A1 configuration rifle. Former property of the Santa Barbara, Calif.,Sheriff’s office, near Rancho del Cielo, the 688-acre vacation ranch of President Ronald Reagan.

9025125 - Rollmarked M16, but standard A1 configuration rifle. Part of the Richard Wray collection auctioned on 4/30/2013, it appears unfired and is complete with the original cardboard shipping box. Sold for $31,725 incl buyer’s premium.

9029239 - Rollmarked M16, but standard A1 configuration rifle

9029440 - Rollmarked M16, but standard A1 configuration rifle

9030329 - Rollmarked M16 - Former PD (San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department) gun; 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9041093 -- Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9042595 -- Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9042640 - Rollmarked M16. Last seen wearing a non-Colt collapsible stock and no-name 14.5" A2 HB upper. Possibly refinished (darker color than usual for this period).

9044051 -- Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9044739 -- Rollmarked M16. Last seen (for sale) wearing a 20-inch-barrelled A2 upper.

9048277 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards. Auctioned on Oct. 1, 2007 by the Lapeer County Sheriff's Department, Lapeer, Michigan

9048530 -- Rollmarked M16; currently converted to 9mm with 635 upper and factory mag blocks pinned into drilled receiver (unknown if original configuration).

9048851 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9049145 - Rollmarked M16; original configuration unknown.

9050320 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9050444 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9050557 -- Rollmarked M16. Reconfigured with Colt 14.5” M4A2 upper and Magpul collapsible stock.

90524xx - Rollmarked M16; reconfigured to all-Colt M4 by Ken Elmore.

9052430 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9052439 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9052981 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9053233 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards
9054731 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9054854 - Unknown rollmark, reconfigured as an XM16E1 and used by Mel Gibson in "We Were Soldiers."

9055138 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards

9059108 - Rollmarked M16, 20-inch thin barrel, A1 sights and upper w/FW assist; tri handguards. Auctioned on May 1, 2008 by the Lapeer County Sheriff's Department, Lapeer, Michigan: Winning bid was $22,600.

9063011 - Rollmarked M16. Last sold wearing an A2 upper and A2 buttstock.

9064553 - Rollmarked M16. For sale in 12/11 with incorrect flattop upper, stock and PG.

90655xx -- Receiver marked M16, 20-inch thin bbl, triangular handguards, A1 stock; former PD gun sold/brokered by Tom Bowers

9068003 - Rollmarked M16, otherwise standard M16A1 20" rifle configuration.

9068226 - Rollmarked M16, otherwise standard M16A1 20" rifle configuration.

9069048 - Rollmarked M16, otherwise standard M16A1 20" rifle configuration. Was new unfired with wick still in barrel as of April 2005.

907xxxx -- Receiver marked M16 but upper has A1 features (fw assist, chrome-lined 20-inch bbl; 3-pronged flash hider); belonged to weapons provider for Miami Vice TV show and was used in the show; early-to-mid-70s date of production.

9070081 - Rollmarked M16 but standard config A1 rifle. Formerly owned by the Fresno, CA PD; right side of magwell engraved "FRESNO POLICE / DEPT. / M-006"

9073744 - Rollmarked M16 but has HBAR A1 upper with M60 bipod. For sale in 2011 with a non-original Lone Star Ord. grip installed.

9074666 - Rollmarked M16 but standard config A1 rifle.

90753xx –– Rollmarked M16. Model 629. US Property marked with 11.5” barrel, sliding stock and 4” suppressor. Possibly a modified / parts gun.

9075554 - Rollmarked M16 but standard config A1 rifle.

9075664 - Rollmarked M16 but standard config A1 rifle.

9078393 - Rollmarked M16 but re-anodized black by US Anodizing, and built up with non-original upper, stock, PG, etc.

9078544 - Rollmarked M16 but standard config A1 rifle.

9103617 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard config A1 rifle (20-in thin barrel, tri handguards, forward assist, A1 stock and sights).

910577x –– Atchisson open bolt HBAR conversion on standard Colt M16A1 rifle with M14 bipod. Predates the Colt designed open bolt HBAR. Marketed by W.A.K. in Ohio.

9149595 – Rollmarked M16A1; standard config A1 rifle (20-in thin barrel, tri handguards, forward assist, A1 stock and sights).

9149710 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard config A1 rifle; presently in Canada and probably not in NFA Registry, which means it is not re-importable.

9150007 - Rollmarked M16A1;standard config A1 rifle (20-in thin barrel, orward assist, A1 stock and sights) but for sale 3/2012 with incorrect, round A2 handguards.

9154025 - Rollmarked M16A1;standard config A1 rifle (20-in thin barrel, tri handguards, forward assist, A1 stock and sights).

9159631 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard config A1 rifle (20-in thin barrel, tri handguards, forward assist, A1 stock and sights).

91608xx -- Standard A1 config rifle, triangular forend, teardrop forward assist. First registered by Hattiesburg, Miss PD in May 1977.

9161131 - Standard A1 config rifle, tri forend, etc. Rollmarked M16A1.

9162143 - Standard A1 config rifle, tri forend, etc. Rollmarked M16A1.

9169406 - Standard A1 config rifle, tri forend, etc. Rollmarked M16A1.

9172997 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle, exceltp last sold with an A2 forend instead of triangular.

9174873 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle

9175861 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle

9181405 - Standard A1 config rifle, except last seen wearing round forend instead of triangular. Rollmarked M16A1.

9206503 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle. Magwell has bee drilled for Colt two-piece 9mm mag blocks.Lower receiver color is darker than normal for this early in the SN range, so possible refinish.

9209179 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle.

92120xx - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle.

9212160 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle.

9229422 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard config A1 rifle.

9241993 -- Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9243177 -- Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9252336 -- Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9252352 - Believed rollmarked M16A1, reconfigured to M4A1 with Surefire M500AB foreend flashlight, ACOG TA44-5 and Giles sling. Used by "Street," Colin Ferrel's character, in the movie "S.W.A.T."

9252836 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9252926 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9253060 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle; Former Connecticut State Police Department rifle, right side of receiver is vibra-pen engraved "CDA PD 34"

9253566 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle

9256116 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle. Low-round-count minty original gun in 2010.

9256511 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard A1 config rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Gray.

9266458 - Rollmarked M16A1, appears to be factory carbine but barrel claimed to be 16”, teardrop FA

92674xx – Form 2 issued in 1982
9268636 through 9268671 - FOI request shows Form 2 approved on April 4, 1979 as part of a pallet of 72 (number discrepancy noted).
Including:
926866x - RO653 Carbine

9268786 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9269556 - Rollmarked M16A1, forward assist, 14.5" bbl, factory carbine

9270400 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9270436 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9270765 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA; the number “342” vibra-penned onto front of magwell

9270786 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9277687 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9277789 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA. Auctioned by Amoskeag on Sept. 20, 2008; at that time, it wore a metal Colt collapsible stock (unknown if original).

9277796 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA. LE gun, lots of surface scratches.

9277942 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9278184 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9278186 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9278363 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA. Sold new by Sportsman’s Emporium in Philadelphia on 11/14/79; that owner sold it to a dealer on April 25, 2011.

9279724 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9279747 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA

9280307 – Rollmarked M16A1; sold in 2009 with non-original Colt Commando upper and non-Colt collapsible stock.

9280445 – Rollmarked M16A1; sold in 2011 as a factory Carbine, but incorrectly has an M4A3 upper and a non-staked collapsible stock of current style.

9280535 – Rollmarked M16A1; factory carbine, 14.5", teardrop FA, but staking has been broken to add an ambi sling mount.

928046x - Rollmarked M16A1, apparently factory carbine with 14.5" barrel; F4 to first owner approved 4/18/78.

9284623 – Rollmarked M16A1; 14.5 in carbine, factory original

9288654 - Rollmarked M16A1, 14.5" barrel, apparently a factory 653 carbine

9288711 - Rollmarked M16A1, 14.5" barrel, factory 653 carbine

9288947 – Rollmarked M16A1, apparently 14.5” factory carbine

9289129 – Rollmarked M16A1, apparently 14.5” factory carbine

9292673 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9293245 – Rollmarked M16A1, in carbine config and believed to be factory

9293653 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle

9293673 - Rollmarked M16A1,in carbine config and believed to be factory, 14.5", teardrop FA

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Posted: 5/12/2013 11:13:47 AM EDT

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Continued:

9305424 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle but buttstock switched to A2.

9309652 - Rollmarked M6A1, standard A1 rifle

9309831 - Rollmarked M6A1, standard A1 rifle

9309844 - Rollmarked M6A1, standard A1 rifle; reported stolen in home burglary 5/6/2007.

9309864 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle; former PD gun transferred to SOT, then to its only civilian owner; Form 2 approved on March 7, 1978

9309865 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle

93103xx -- The original Form 5 from Colt to Fairbanks, Alaska Police Department is SIGNED '' ROBERT L. JOHNSON, CONTRACTS ADMINISTRATOR'' AND DATED 5-26-78. ATF RECEIVED THIS FORM MAY 30 1978 AT 2:55 PM. IT WAS STAMPED APPROVED ON JUN 5 1978.

9310316 - Standard A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1.

9310322 - Standard A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1.

9310454 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard config A1 rifle.

9310499 - Standard A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1.

9310561 – Rollmarked M16A1. Presently configured as Model 653 carbine but unknown if that’s the original configuration.

9310593 - A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1. This is the M16A1 used by Al Pacino in "Scarface" with a fake M203 attached. The Stembridge Gun Rentals N number was 493.

9310894 – Rollmarked M16A1, ex-LE with department-stamped additional serial number on magwell. Configured as 11.5” Commando and advertised as all original; however, Form 2 dated Dec. 20, 1977 confirms original config was standard 20” rifle.

9310928 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9311360 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9311383 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9311390 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. For sale in 09/10 with A2 FH, A2 buttstock and hydraulic buffer (unknown if it came with orig parts as well). Reputed to be former Kansas City PD gun, but no known departmental markings.

9348126 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9350702 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9351175 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9351178 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9351505 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9352143 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9352214 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9352671 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9353586 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9368446 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory HBAR with M14 (M60?) bipod.

9368496 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory HBAR with M14 (M60?) bipod. Form 2 dated March 20, 1979.

9378055 - Rollmarked M16A1

93790xx -- Earl H. Crabb

93790xx - "Colt took an old transferable M16 and "repaired" it into a brand spankin new transferable late model M4, full auto, beefed up receiver, flat top, 14.5" barrel." Owner quote

9379047 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9379162 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Auctioned 2/24/2013 by the North East Borough Police Dept in Pennsylvania.

9379175 -- Rollmarked M16A1; for sale 10/2011 as a new unfired factory carbine, 14.5", but the upper receiver is A2 design (A2 rear sight, round forward assist, M4 handguards, M4 barrel profile)

9379301 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Sold in 2012 wearing a replacement DPMS Heavy Barrel.

9379357 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Sold in 2010 wearing a non-original Colt A2 upper with Knight’s rails.

9379816 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. For sale on 01/17/12 with non-original A2 upper, A2 buttstock and A2 PG.

9380235 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9393637 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9393921 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9394629 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9394678 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9394724 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9395126 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9395641 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9395875 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle.

9395886 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9395905 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard A1 rifle. Ex-Tenn. DOC rifle auctioned 6/2012; has rack wear, and inventory ID number stenciled under the Colt SN.

9396190 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Former PD gun, marked "KPD 58" on left side of receiver above trigger and below Colt address.

9414584 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Finish appears original but slight mismatch in color between lighter upper and darker lower.

9415135 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Recently sold as package with original Colt M203 40mm (SN 188129A) grenade launcher installed; unknown if shipped from factory in this configuration

9454063 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. For sale in 2012 as-new, with box and all accessories; appears 99%

9454254 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9454298 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Right side of magwell vibrapen-etched with “CCSO #2” Sold by James Julia auction 10/02/12 for $21,275.00

9454395 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9454735 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9466254 - Rollmarked M16A1. Upper/stock/pistol grip are non-original M4/aftermarket (14.5” barrel cut down to 11” with Knights rail, Vltor stock etc.).

9469564 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9470155 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9478171 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9478196 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9479994 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory HBAR with M60 bipod

9481187 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9481548 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9482230 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle; for sale 6/2010 in what appears to be almost unfired original condition

9485947 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9486xxx -- MPFiveO -- Model 613

9490544 – Rollmarked M16A1; auctioned May 22, 2010 configured with 16” A1 upper and full A2 stock

949478x - Rollmarked M16A1 but entire rifle, both lower and upper receivers, are M16A2 HBAR.

9495496 - Rollmarked M16A1, Carbine model 653

94961xx - Standard 20" A1 rifle. FOIA request shows F2 filed by Colt on Feb. 13,1981.

9498323 - Standard 20" A1 rifle.

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Continued:

9501084(?) - Rollmarked M16A1; M4 upper (original configuration unknown); selector area re-engraved with "SAFE," "SEMI" and (ital) "Rock-n-Roll"

9504320 - Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" A1 rifle when purchased, now configured as an HBAR. Purchased 11-2002 from Dennis Todd. Supposedly previous owner was a Californian Police Department.

9505646 – Rollmarked M16A1. Sold in 2009 as a lower only. Receiver marked with a stamped “002” on right side above trigger pin and on right side magwell with pencil-engraved “RSVL. 002”

9506192 - Rollmarked M16A1 - purchased in Ky. In June 2002 in factory carbine form with CAR 2 position stock and pencil 14 1/2" barrel

9506296 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9506663 -- Rollmarked M16A1, factory carbine with CAR 2 position stock and pencil 14 1/2" barrel. As-new in 2009.

9518404 -- Rollmarked M16A1, sold in 2009 as a lower only with A1 rifle stock.

9519442 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9519933 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle, for sale 12/1/12 NIB with all accessories, for $25k. SOT owner says it was purchased new by him in 1981.

9520659 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9521248 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9523379 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9527416 - Rollmarked M16A1 but lower has A2 features; for sale 4/7/2009 without an upper; current-production-style collapsible stock installed.

9527426 - Rollmarked M16A1 but lower receiver has A2 features (re-enforced forging and later finish). Not a factory RO750 but last sold with an LMG upper, buffer, green spring and open-bolt fire-control system.

9528669 - Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle.

9531416 -- 14.5in. carbine 98%, original config.

9531422 -- 14.5in. carbine 98/99%, original config.

9532709 -- Standard M16A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1

9537402 -- Standard M16A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1. Auctioned by Amoskeag on Sept. 20, 2008.

9537792 -- Standard M16A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1

9538497 -- Standard M16A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1; exported to Italy in 2012

9541563 - Standard M16A1 rifle, rollmarked M16A1

9546326 - Rollmarked M16A1; factory carbine

9546332 – Rollmarked M16A1, Carbine Model 653

9546373 - Rollmarked M16A1, 14.5" carbine

9546394 - Rollmarked M16A1, 14.5" carbine

9546396 - Rollmarked M16A1, 14.5" carbine

9547113 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory Carbine Model 653, 14.5"

9547190 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory Carbine Model 653, 14.5"

9547200 - Rollmarked M16A1, apparently was factory Carbine (castle nut staking appears original) but for sale in 2011 with a non-Colt upper only

9547405 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory Carbine Model 653, 14.5"

9547422 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory Carbine Model 653, 14.5" For sale 3/2010 NIB, with original invoice from Colt listing order date of 9/17/81, plus all original packing and accessories in still-sealed pouches.

9547497 - Rollmarked M16A1, lower receiver is factory Carbine, upper is Colt (Commando?) A2, 11.5" barrel

9547xxx -- Model 645? A1 sights but A2 flash hider, slip ring, FA, 14.5 bbl, feed ramp cuts, no brass deflector and no M4 stamp.

9557980 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle. For sale in Sept. 2008 as excellent used, complete with original box. Slight mismatch of upper/lower colors.

9558652 -- Rollmarked M16A1 – For sale 12/1/11 as NIB, and appears so. Upper is A1 with 20" 1/7-twist barrel, wick is still in there. Stock and PG are new A2. Lower is A1 casting but almost black, close to current Colt black anodizing; upper is dark grey. Sealed accessory kit, appears to have shipped in this A1/A2 configuration.

9559284 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20” rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Black.

9559559 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20” rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Black.

9560001 -- Colt M16A1 Carbine Model 653

9560091 -- Colt M16A1 Carbine Model 653

9560427 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle. Last sold wearing A2 handguards instead of triangular.

9560611 – Rollmarked M16A1; Model 621 (20-inch 1/7 HBAR with M60 tripod). For sale 4/1/10 NIB with all accessories.

9566295 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle.

9566312 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle. Upper is a darker grey than lower receiver is, moreso than the usual slight mismatch.

9566349 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20” rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Black.

9567532 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20” rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Black.

9568288 – Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20” rifle. Redone by U.S. Anodizing in Colt Black.

9568868 -- Colt M16A1 Carbine Model 653

9574747 – Rollmarked M16A1 – Standard 20” M16A1 rifle. Slight mismatch of upper/lower colors. Sold in VG+/ex condition in 3/2009.

9576351 - Rollmarked M16A1 - Rifle buttstock and A1 upper receiver with 16" 1-in-7 barrel, no barrel markings; unknown if this is the original factory configuration.

9577002 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory 653 carbine with rubber-coated collapsible stock

9577606 - Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle.

9577995 - Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle.

9579671 – M16A1 Carbine Model 653 – was advertised as NIB in 12/2009; photos appear to verify. Shipped from Colt to Frankford Arsenal Inc., 1045-1047 NE 43 Court, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33334.

9578392 – M16A1 Carbine Model 653.

9583070 -- M16A1 Carbine Model 653.

9584310 – Rollmarked M16A1, configured as Model 606A HBAR with M60 bipod and triangular handguards; unknown if it left the factory this way.

9585052 – Rollmarked M16A1, factory 653 carbine with rubber-coated collapsible stock.

9586145 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle except for A2 type pistol grip -- seller swears it shipped from Colt that way.

9586867 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle.

9587500 - Colt's first A2 prototype. Lower receiver is A1-rollmarked and uses an A1 forging; upper has handmade prototype A2 sights and A2 handguards, HBAR barrel.

9587523 -- Rollmarked M16A1 - standard 20" M16A1 rifle. Upper is a darker grey than lower receiver is, moreso than the usual slight mismatch.

95900xx - Model 621 (20-inch 1/7 HBAR with M60 tripod)

9590478 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory 653 carbine

9590540 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory 653 carbine. Two-position metal stock. For sale 10/2008 ANIB with accessories.

9591475 - Rollmarked M16A1, factory 653 carbine. Two-position metal stock

9591487 - Rollmarked M16A1; presently configured as 653 carbine, unknown if it left the factory in that configuration.

9591633 – Rollmarked M16A1; Model 621 (20-inch 1/7 HBAR with M60 tripod)

9591634 – Rollmarked M16A1; Model 621 (20-inch 1/7 HBAR with M60 tripod)

9592233 _ Rollmarked M16A1, sold as lower only in 2008.

9593280 - Rollmarked M16A1; recently transferred with a non-original upper and buttstock, so original configuration unknown. Possibly a factory HBAR Model 621.

9594010 - Rollmarked M16A1; factory 621 HBAR with M60 bipod; for sale as complete ANIB (all accessories still sealed in plastic) in November 2007. Lower is lighter gray, upper is darker gray; mismatch color is apparently as-shipped from factory.

9594040 - Rollmarked M16A1; 621 HBAR with M60 bipod. Appears in photos to possibly have been refinished.

9594162 - Rollmarked M16A1; 621 HBAR with M60 bipod. Color matches perfectly.

9594175 - Rollmarked M16A1; 621 HBAR with M60 bipod. As of 2/27/2009, gun appears unfired (but ower says it has had 300 rounds through it), and bipod has never been mounted.

9595421 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle

9595530 -- Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. For sale in 2012. Condition: Appears unfired; in box with all accessories

9596039 – Rollmarked M16A1; standard rifle configuration.

9596336 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard rifle configuration; offered for sale in 2008 in ANIB condition with box, barrel wick and all original factory accessories.

9599284 – Rollmarked M16A1; standard rifle configuration. LE trade-in; many, many surface scratches and handling marks.

9602077 - Rollmarked M16A1; standard factory carbine.

9602238 - Rollmarked M16A1/ Apparently factory carbine due to collapsible stock staking paint, but last transferred as a lower only.

9602338 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard-configuration M16A1 rifle except round handguards instead of triangular, reportedly delivered by Colt to a dealer in 1984.

9602440 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard M16 rifle with triangular handguards, etc.

9605036 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard M16 rifle with triangular handguards, etc. Magwell drilled for pin installation of original Colt two-piece 9mm mag blocks.

9607520 - Rollmarked M16A1, standard M16 rifle with triangular handguards, etc.

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collegeboy Joined Apr 2011 Posts 1969 EE 100% (4) TX, USA	Posted: 6/6/2013 11:04:51 PM EDT [#24] I feel honored to be able to add to this thread. 9267104 - Factory Carbine

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Posted: 1/9/2014 5:25:52 PM EDT

[#25]

I guess I can contribute. I know nothing really about my M16. Maybe someone can shed some light on it, because I've never seen another upper like this before (though my searching has been somewhat limited).

Marked Colt M16
SN: 5096XXX

I bought it used, so it has been fired by the previous owner, and since I got it, I took most of the factory parts off and safely stored them. It now has a different Colt LPK in it and a different stock, upper, etc.

Anyone have any idea what the deal with this one is? I suppose I could take the hand guards off the upper and check out the profile if that would help.

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Posted: 2/23/2014 6:28:51 PM EDT

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I have another one to add. Colt US Property Marked M16A1. 20 inch barrel with tear drop forward assist. No brass deflector. Bird cage flash hider and full lower ribbing. Serial number 534XXXX. NOT a reweld. Still has the DOD acceptance stamp (that I managed to wipe some off damn it!). My guess is a former DOE gun that got moved to the private market. Last owner had it since 91 I think. The receiver is engraved with rack number 56. There was an old thread about these guns.

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Posted: 2/27/2014 1:20:50 PM EDT

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Hello guys,
I live in the Czech Republic and I am the owner of the M16A1. With great interest I read this discussion and I would like to add a to database on my gun. Laws in the Czech Republic allow only hold a gun shooting in mode Semi. Therefore, the mode is Auto blocked.I would love to learn more about this great weapon, and therefore I would like to ask for help. The weapon was never operated and is completely new. In particular, I am interested in the year of manufacture and whether it is in original condition or has undergone any alteration. If it is in a state as when leaving the factory Colt.
The gun is marked:
COLT
M16A1
CAL. 5.56 MM.
9532817

Pictures:

http://barnii.rajce.idnes.cz/M16A1/

Thank you in advance for your help.
Best regards
Barnii

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Posted: 2/27/2014 4:14:02 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By barniicz:
Hello guys,
I live in the Czech Republic and I am the owner of the M16A1. With great interest I read this discussion and I would like to add a to database on my gun. Laws in the Czech Republic allow only hold a gun shooting in mode Semi. Therefore, the mode is Auto blocked.I would love to learn more about this great weapon, and therefore I would like to ask for help. The weapon was never operated and is completely new. In particular, I am interested in the year of manufacture and whether it is in original condition or has undergone any alteration. If it is in a state as when leaving the factory Colt.
The gun is marked:
COLT
M16A1
CAL. 5.56 MM.
9532817

Pictures:

http://barnii.rajce.idnes.cz/M16A1/

Thank you in advance for your help.
Best regards
Barnii

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Barnii, welcome! I was not able to open the photos on your link, but from the thumbnail pics I could see, yours appears to be original, or very close to it.

Colt did not issue serial numbers sequentially, so it is difficult to date it with precision. But one known date is for SN 9547422, which shipped from the Colt factory on November 17, 1981. So yours probably was produced in 1980 or 1981.

A question: What is the approximate value of your M16A1 in the Czech Republic? In the U.S. today, it would sell for about $25,000. Unfortunately, under federal law, yours can never be re-imported here for civilian ownership.

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Posted: 2/28/2014 1:24:48 PM EDT

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Hello,
Thanks for the answer. I'm sorry, but I have not figured out how to upload photos. These weapons I've never seen the shelves of our stores. There were weapons of modern manufacturers - Dlask, Proarm Armory, Norinco ap., But not Colt M16A1. I think it was a very limited supply of new weapons. I wanted to know the origin of these weapons, but I did not find the exact information. One theory is that it could be on unused weapons of war in Yugoslavia. I saw 5 pieces and they were all new never used. All serial numbers of the rifles began 95XXXXX. I do know that the serial number 9538406 is also in the Czech Republic. Selling price of these weapons is approx. 3000-USD.
I will try again to insert photos.
Best regards
Barnii

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TriggerFish Keeping the smart in smart-ass. Joined Jan 2003 Posts 2291 EE 100% (2) AZ, USA	Posted: 5/12/2014 6:33:31 PM EDT [#30] This one has its 35th birthday this month. Serial# already on file here.
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Posted: 5/12/2014 8:46:46 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By TriggerFish:
This one has its 35th birthday this month. Serial# already on file here.
<a href="http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Z06M16A1/media/Title%202%20Toys/1979Fixedart5.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/Title%202%20Toys/1979Fixedart5.jpg</a>

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She may be 35, but she'll always be Sweet Little Sixteen!

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Posted: 5/18/2014 10:02:58 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By barniicz:
Hello,
Thanks for the answer. I'm sorry, but I have not figured out how to upload photos. These weapons I've never seen the shelves of our stores. There were weapons of modern manufacturers - Dlask, Proarm Armory, Norinco ap., But not Colt M16A1. I think it was a very limited supply of new weapons. I wanted to know the origin of these weapons, but I did not find the exact information. One theory is that it could be on unused weapons of war in Yugoslavia. I saw 5 pieces and they were all new never used. All serial numbers of the rifles began 95XXXXX. I do know that the serial number 9538406 is also in the Czech Republic. Selling price of these weapons is approx. 3000-USD.
I will try again to insert photos.
Best regards
Barnii

https://imageshack.com/i/g1f1scj
https://imageshack.com/i/n7cj2nj
https://imageshack.com/i/3u81etj
https://imageshack.com/i/n5vkrnj
https://imageshack.com/i/g9v07xj
https://imageshack.com/i/0j64yxj
https://imageshack.com/i/0yxerpj
https://imageshack.com/i/g1re9hj
https://imageshack.com/i/mjo9taj
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those rifles arrived here in Italy as well.
mine has sn in 9,300,000 range.. new never fired complete with Colt branded M7 bayonet

SleepyLX Joined Oct 2008 Posts 170 EE 0% (0) OK, USA	Posted: 6/21/2014 1:30:43 AM EDT [#33] This is Colt M16A1 #9392192

tony_k How was I to know she was with the Russians, too? Joined Jun 2001 Posts 12029 EE 100% (8) FL, USA	Posted: 6/21/2014 12:45:49 PM EDT [#34] Beautiful, SleepyLX! It looks practically unfired!
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Abacab Joined May 2012 Posts 21 EE 50% (2) PA, USA	Posted: 9/15/2014 12:29:21 PM EDT [#35] Anyone heard of a US Property marked 9 million serial gun? There is one mention of one in the thread but doubt exists. My understanding is that they are commercial guns.

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Originally Posted By Abacab:
Anyone heard of a US Property marked 9 million serial gun? There is one mention of one in the thread but doubt exists. My understanding is that they are commercial guns.

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Not commercial guns, because Colt had a policy of not selling MGs to private parties. By law they could not, because they never paid any federal excise tax on their MGs. That saved them around 10% per gun. (FET is paid by the manufacturer and is due on guns destined for civilian sales; LE, military and export guns are exempt from the tax.)

The 9-mil SN range was dedicated to LE and export sales. As such, some of the LE M16s were indeed diverted to private owners by distributors and dealers (though Colt would sever sales to any FFL caught doing so).

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a few 9-mil series receivers were used to fill out a military contract here and there. Colt was always doing stuff like that.

However, in all my years researching the 9-mil series, I've never seen a verified "US PROP" example.

I have, however, seen some 9-mil guns on which the civilian owner later had property markings engraved. I guess, because they wanted one like they carried in 'Nam or whatever. Before 1986, these were $700 guns, so owners did all sorts of odd things to them. The remarked guns are pretty easy to spot.

HTH.

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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:09:24 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By tony_k:
Not commercial guns, because Colt had a policy of not selling MGs to private parties. By law they could not, because they never paid any federal excise tax on their MGs. That saved them around 10% per gun. (FET is paid by the manufacturer and is due on guns destined for civilian sales; LE, miqitary and export guns are exempt from the tax.)

The 9-mil SN range was dedicated to LE and export sales. As such, some of the LE M16s were indeed diverted to private owners by distributors and dealers (though Colt would sever sales to any FFL caught doing so).

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if a few 9-mil series receivers were used to fill out a military contract here and there. Colt was always doing stuff like that.

However, in all my years researching the 9-mil series, I've never seen a verified "US PROP" example.

I have, however, seen some 9-mil guns on which the civilian owner later had property markings engraved. I guess, because they wanted one like they carried in 'Nam or whatever. Before 1986, these were $700 guns, so owners did all sorts of odd things to them. The remarked guns are pretty easy to spot.

HTH.

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Hey now, only I am allowed to engage in semantics between commercial and LE/export specificity.

Seriously though, I appreciate your explicitness. I was aware Colt didn't sell them to the general civilian market but I always referred to LE/export guns as 'commercial' as it wasn't military contract. I won't make that mistake again.

My US Prop A1 serial number range is 5 million as a DOE gun. The store I work for now says they had a 9 million US Prop though I never laid eyes on it.

I posed the question because someone on Sturm has a claimed 9 million gun that is marked a government gun for sale. I asked for pictures but none have appeared. Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist but given the rash of fraud on Sturm right now makes me doubt it is real.

Harley08 Joined Oct 2014 Posts 1 EE 0% (0) NC, USA	Posted: 10/28/2014 8:30:58 PM EDT [#38] I own a Colt M16A1 Carbine serial # 9288xxx –– 14.5 in carbine, factory original Model 653

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Posted: 4/2/2015 8:41:15 PM EDT

[#39]

Colt M16A1 PROPERTY marked

non-transferable

533547X

533858X

534079X

534169X

534176X

534214X

534250X

534309X

534320X

534540X

534590X

534621X

There is one M16 takeoff upper in the safe (with late 3-prong), so it may have come off one of these lowers. I've also seen one type D stock without trapdoor, but the rest all have the latest M16A1 features to include riveted front sling swivels. Barrels marked C MP CHROME BORE.

huggytree Joined Jan 2012 Posts 49 EE 100% (9) WI, USA	Posted: 5/14/2016 10:19:30 PM EDT [#40] M16a2 us property marked 615231x 6239xxx 635626x 622322x 6140xxx 623217x 636980x 615059x 623906x 625433x 603581x all these collected in the past 6 months not as rare of a gun as once thought

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Posted: 5/28/2016 2:22:16 PM EDT

[#41]

i own one of them.....i paid a premium on it(not as much as some, but not as little as some either).....my guess is there is 100 or less....someone has a pallet of them...

always in the 6 million serial # range, so i feel they are legit...had mine inspected my a local M16 expert w/ Marine experience....he spent as much time smelling it as looking at it.....he told me its legit

03BULLSEYE Joined Feb 2001 Posts 22 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 10/15/2016 11:24:50 PM EDT [#42] Help help. Trying to find history on M16 marked Colt M16A1 CAL 5.56 MM AL304309 Above these lines is a emblem with cross swords over an anchor with flight wings over anchor and a bursting bomb on top. Any help is appreciative

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Originally Posted By 03BULLSEYE:
Help help. Trying to find history on M16 marked
Colt M16A1
CAL 5.56 MM
AL304309

Above these lines is a emblem with cross swords over an anchor with flight wings over anchor and a bursting bomb on top.

Any help is appreciative

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Colt has no records found on that number?

Can you get a hold of a picture of it?

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Posted: 12/26/2016 10:45:07 PM EDT

[#44]

Originally Posted By 03BULLSEYE:
Help help. Trying to find history on M16 marked
Colt M16A1
CAL 5.56 MM
AL304309

Above these lines is a emblem with cross swords over an anchor with flight wings over anchor and a bursting bomb on top.

Any help is appreciative

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All the Colt M16s that start with an AL serial number were contract guns made for the Lebanese Army. I don't know the dates. I have the magwell from one of them. Around 14,000 were made with the AL serial numbers.

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MARDET2K Joined Dec 2011 Posts 3 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 2/12/2017 12:03:12 AM EDT [#45] Tony, I got here just the stripped lower receiver and I have 3 Q?s about it, but 1st here's the info off it, COLT M16A1 CAL 5.56MM SERIAL#95124XX, 1ST QUESTION, WHEN WAS IT BUILT, PRE MAY 19, 1986 OR AFTER? 2ND- WHAT ORIGINAL UPPER RECEIVER WAS WITH IT, 3RD- WHERE CAN I FIND OUT IF ITS TRANSFERABLE/ REGISTERED,THX

MARDET2K Joined Dec 2011 Posts 4 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 2/12/2017 12:07:06 AM EDT [#46] Tony or any, I got here just the stripped lower receiver and I have 3 Q?s about it, but 1st here's the info off it, COLT M16A1 CAL 5.56MM SERIAL#9512499, 1ST QUESTION, WHEN WAS IT BUILT, PRE MAY 19, 1986 OR AFTER? 2ND- WHAT ORIGINAL UPPER RECEIVER WAS WITH IT? 3RD- HOW OR WHERE CAN I FIND OUT IF THIS RECEIVER IS TRANSFERABLE/ REGISTERED? THX

tony_k

How was I to know she was with the Russians, too?

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FL, USA

Posted: 2/12/2017 12:21:52 PM EDT

[#47]

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Originally Posted By MARDET2K:
Tony or any, I got here just the stripped lower receiver and I have 3 Q?s about it, but 1st here's the info off it, COLT M16A1 CAL 5.56MM SERIAL#9512499, 1ST QUESTION, WHEN WAS IT BUILT, PRE MAY 19, 1986 OR AFTER? probably before, but the registered owner would have to do an FOIA request with BATFE 2ND- WHAT ORIGINAL UPPER RECEIVER WAS WITH IT? Only way to know is to do the FOIA request cited above 3RD- HOW OR WHERE CAN I FIND OUT IF THIS RECEIVER IS TRANSFERABLE/ REGISTERED? THX

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First, we need to know exactly how you came into possession of it.

The only way to tell if it is registered and transferable is to ask BATFE if it is in the Registry, and they will only answer that question for (a) the registered owner or his lawful heirs, (b) law enforcement, or (c) an attorney representing the person in possession (and if the person in possession does not have a lawful reason to possess it, it becomes contraband subject to seizure by BATFE).

As far as the date and upper, the only record is in the NFA Registry. That will have the date Colt filed the Form 2 to register it, and also have the overall length, from which you can figure out which upper it shipped with.

This is Tony K, and I approved this message.

YourCoWorker Average Sized Member Joined Aug 2008 Posts 743 EE 100% (98) GA, USA	Posted: 2/22/2017 7:47:03 PM EDT [#48] 9378933 –– Rollmarked M16A1, standard 20" A1 rifle. Former Athens - Clark County, GA police gun.

forager Joined Mar 2006 Posts 755 EE 100% (42) USA	Posted: 2/22/2017 8:42:49 PM EDT [#49] Not to go too far off topic, Does the following statement mean I carried an H&R M16A1? My weapons card from 91/92. H&R M16A1 – SN: 2,004,14x: Harrington & Richardson licensed built: US Property marked. Forward assist.

M16Cowboy Joined Apr 2009 Posts 9 EE 0% (0) OK, USA	Posted: 1/14/2018 10:33:53 PM EDT [#50] 9507049, New unfired M16A1. just transfered it out for a customer.

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