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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:34:38 PM EDT

I would like to take an extreme close quarters carbine class. If I use a carbine as a civilian it will most likely be at very close range. I have found that most carbine classes are focused on 25-200 yards which makes sense for the intended military and LE audience. While this is great training for civilians our more likely engagement distances would be from 3 feet to across the street.

I have come to focus most of my personal training at these ranges and incorporating lots of barricades and doorways. I have had several others scoff at this practice, but when I asked them to try it they were 4-6 inches off target at 10 feet because they never shoot less than 50 yards.

I would like to find a class that offers such training.

Posted: 7/7/2008 5:33:27 PM EDT

[#1]

You might consider something like our Urban Tactics Courses. The Urban Tactics-1 is about half carbine and half pistol, where the Urban Tactics-2 is mostly carbine based. We just did a Urban Tactics-1 course in Wisconsin which is reviewed here. We have Urban Tactics-1 and Urban Tactics-2 scheduled this September and October in Minnesota, and if anyone wants these courses in their area please get ahold of us for the details of setting it up.

I see that you are in Kentucky and if you don't mind making a short road trip, we will be in Bryson City NC (approximately 44miles from Gatlinburg TN) in September for our Tactical Carbine-1 course, AR15/M16 Armoring Course, and Glock Type Pistol Gunsmithing & Repair course.

URBAN TACTICS-1

Many of us spend great amounts of time in urban areas around buildings and vehicles. This course is designed to give hands on practical knowledge of how to defend and protect yourself and others in the city environment. This course builds on the basic fundamentals of pistol and shoulder weapon skills, and adds an entire new dimension with hands on training.

This 2-day course gives students an opportunity to learn and hone fundamentals as they apply them with tactics while dealing with urban environment issues. Students will be taught fundamental emergency first aid for trauma and be tasked to apply this during the scenario based and force on force training. Students should plan on being on the ground, being in physical contact with others, and being involved in the force on force training.

This course is well suited for the Executive Protection Specialist, Parent, Spouse, Law Enforcement Officer, School Resource Officer, and Security Guards. Time will be spent on the fundamentals necessary to deal in and around crowds, remove and move people from danger areas, and deal with hostilities while protecting others. A great deal of time will be spent on fundamentals of weapons skills for this type of task.

Student Materials (Minimum Suggestion)
• Handgun with holster
• 3-magazines for the handgun with carrier
• 750rds pistol ammunition
• Carbine or Shotgun (Must Have a Sling)
• 3-magazines for carbine with carrier
• 300rds Carbine or 100rds Shotgun Heavy Birdshot
• Eye and Ear Protection
• Cover Garment
• Body Armor (Optional)
• Basic First Aid Gear
• Gloves, Knee & Elbow Pads (Optional But Recommended)

URBAN TACTICS-2

This course starts where Urban Tactics-1 ends and will hit the ground running. Students will get lots of hands on training of working in hostile urban environments to include buildings and vehicles. This course is designed to give hands on practical knowledge of how to defend and protect yourself and others in the city environment. Emphasis will be on individual and multiple tactics. The shooting skills portion will be ramped up so all should plan on an emphasis of marksmanship.

Students will be tasked with applying fundamental emergency first aid for trauma to themselves and others in hostile environments during the the scenario based and force on force training. Students should plan on working in and out of vehicles, being on the ground, being in physical contact with others, and being involved in the force on force training.

This course is well suited for Law Enforcement, Military, Executive Protection Specialists, Parents, Spouses, School Resource Officers, and Security Guards. Time will be spent on the applying fundamentals necessary to deal in and around crowds, remove and move people from danger areas, and deal with hostilities while protecting others. A great deal of time will be spent on fundamentals of weapons skills for this type of task.

Student Materials (Minimum Suggestion)
*Handgun with hip or thigh holster
*3-Handgun magazines with carrier
*250rds pistol ammunition
*Carbine (Must Have a Sling) with 500rds ammunition
*3-magazines minimum for carbine with carrier
*Shotgun (Must Have a Sling) with 25rds Buckshot
*Eye and Ear Protection
*Helmet (Optional)
*Body Armor (Recommended But Optional)
*Basic First Aid Gear that is carried on your person
*Gloves, Knee & Elbow Pads

CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
SLR15 Rifles
TheDefensiveEdge.com

Posted: 7/7/2008 5:34:02 PM EDT

[#2]

Most of Pat Rogers three day classes focus on gun fighting inside of 50 yards. EAG Tactical

EAG Tactical Class in NC

Posted: 7/7/2008 7:06:54 PM EDT

[#3]

you cant miss with either or Sully and or pat are both top notch .

Posted: 7/8/2008 8:57:48 AM EDT

[#4]

I've heard good about Sully and Defensive Edge and would like to take his someday. I've attended Pat/EAG as wsell and highly recommend it. EAG focuses on 3-50 yards. You WILL deal with issues such as offset and where to aim at distances closer than 15 yards in your shooting drills. The drills will also deal with multiple suspects at those close distances.

Posted: 7/9/2008 5:51:30 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
I would like to take an extreme close quarters carbine class. If I use a carbine as a civilian it will most likely be at very close range. I have found that most carbine classes are focused on 25-200 yards which makes sense for the intended military and LE audience. While this is great training for civilians our more likely engagement distances would be from 3 feet to across the street.

I have come to focus most of my personal training at these ranges and incorporating lots of barricades and doorways. I have had several others scoff at this practice, but when I asked them to try it they were 4-6 inches off target at 10 feet because they never shoot less than 50 yards.

I would like to find a class that offers such training.

MAST has just that class! 25M and in both for civilian and LEO/Agency. Additionally we are doing a one day CQC/CQB carbine this Sunday the 13th.

Best,

MB
MAST Solutions
www.mastsolutions.com

Posted: 7/10/2008 1:11:05 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I would like to take an extreme close quarters carbine class. If I use a carbine as a civilian it will most likely be at very close range.

A class with Henk Iverson STRIKE Tactical would suit your needs exactly. The only problem would be finding a class he's teaching that allows non-military and non-LEO students at this time. Hopefully such opportunities will be more abundant in the future, but if you get a chance, take it. The only open enrollment class he's doing this year will be in northern Indiana (you can find out more in the training forum at Indiana Gun Owners.

Posted: 7/11/2008 11:29:59 AM EDT

[#7]

This one will suit you if you can make arrangements for this weekend ...

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=9&f=5&t=226451

If not, take a look at our schedule to see when the next one is.

www.Dedicated-Professionals.com

Good Luck!

Posted: 7/14/2008 2:41:49 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I would like to take an extreme close quarters carbine class. If I use a carbine as a civilian it will most likely be at very close range. I have found that most carbine classes are focused on 25-200 yards which makes sense for the intended military and LE audience. While this is great training for civilians our more likely engagement distances would be from 3 feet to across the street.

I have come to focus most of my personal training at these ranges and incorporating lots of barricades and doorways. I have had several others scoff at this practice, but when I asked them to try it they were 4-6 inches off target at 10 feet because they never shoot less than 50 yards.

I would like to find a class that offers such training.

MAST has just that class! 25M and in both for civilian and LEO/Agency. Additionally we are doing a one day CQC/CQB carbine this Sunday the 13th.

Best,

MB
MAST Solutions
www.mastsolutions.com

I have taken the CQB carbine class from MAST and I highly recommend it.
It is a great class. Part of the class was run at night so we were able to learn tactics in low/no light using weapon mounted/hand held lights.