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Posted: 6/26/2022 5:49:05 PM EDT
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Lol.
So the state government can make up the mind of a private business unless they opt IN? They can't force private businesses to put up a pro gun sign. I don't think so. Ignore. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 6:04:54 PM EDT
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Aimless called it, she is worse than Il Douche.
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Posted: 6/26/2022 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimless called it, she is worse than Il Douche. She’s aiming for the presidency. You heard it here first. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 7:28:20 PM EDT
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Public schools I see how they could restrict because it's state controlled.
The opt in to allow guns? No. You can't force private businesses to put up a sign to allow a legal activity. Places of worship? Who are they to tell a church what to allow on their property? And events over a certain size? Uh...Thomas specifically said population density / crowded places was no reason to deem it a sensitive area. And training requirements? Those are gonna be tossed in the next couple years too, especially if the state makes them extremely hard to attend, expensive etc. Training requirements are akin to a literacy test for voting or 1st amendment rights. Sorry Hochul. Try again. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 10:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimless called it, she is worse than Il Douche. office last year. Said as bad as Cuomo was, his replacement was worse. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 12:49:46 PM EDT
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Bearing Arms has just posted an article that California thinks it may have found a loophole in the current Bruen ruling and one that New York already has as well: "good moral character". The relevant guidance from AG Bonta states:
Existing public-carry policies of local law enforcement agencies across the state provide helpful examples of how to apply the "good moral character" requirement. The Sacramento County Sheriff's Office, for example, currently identifies several potential reasons why a public-carry license may be denied (or revoked), which include "[a]ny arrest in the last 5 years, regardless of the disposition" or "[a]ny conviction in the last 7 years." It is reasonable to consider such factors in evaluating an applicant's proof of the requisite moral character to safely carry firearms in public. See, e.g., Bruen (referencing "law-abiding citizens"). Other jurisdictions list the personal characteristics one reasonably expects of candidates for a public-carry license who do not pose a danger to themselves or others. The Riverside County Sheriff's Department's policy, for example, currently provides as follows: "Legal judgments of good moral character can include consideration of honesty, trustworthiness, diligence, reliability, respect for the law, integrity, candor, discretion, observance of fiduciary duty, respect for the rights of others, absence of hatred and racism, fiscal stability, profession-specific criteria such as pledging to honor the constitution and uphold the law, and the absence of criminal conviction." [Emphasis added.] |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 2:41:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. So the state government can make up the mind of a private business unless they opt IN? They can't force private businesses to put up a pro gun sign. I don't think so. Ignore. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 3:01:33 PM EDT
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Was lack of good moral character a reason they used to deny people the right to carry a gun in the 1790s?
I don't think so. Sorry try again. And they can't just automatically decide no guns for ALL private businesses, then say "well if you do allow guns, you have to pay for a sign" Sorry that's not how this works NY. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 6:08:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2022 6:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPaywall. But let the lawsuits begin against these onerous new requirements. Training? Not seeing that happening in the 17 or 1800s. And deeming public transit and places that serve alcohol as sensitive places? Not gonna fly. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 8:08:41 PM EDT
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I feel like the default stance on not allowing people to cc in private businesses unless they opt in and state they will allow them is the biggest issue. So basically any store etc would be a no go.
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Posted: 6/27/2022 8:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI seriously don't get it. Sure seemed like the SCOTUS ruling was abundantly clear. I thought finally after all these years I would have a chance to get a permit without all the BS. At this point, they are absolutely going to make it impossible for a regular guy like me without 37 references from the same county that have known me forever, a class that takes a week + of my time, and a ridiculous fee. Funny, I don't seem to remember them minding me being armed when I was toting a gun for my country. I was more free in the mountains of Afghanistan than I am in my own state. Fuck this place. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 9:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI find it hard to believe that anything more than the "Three People in a Room" have agreed on a damn thing. Representatives from my Assemblyman and State Senators Office said they had NOTHING from the Governors Office, then again they're Republicans and second string in the eyes of the Democrats. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 10:21:08 PM EDT
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SCOTUS has no enforcement arm. NY will do as they please. Who’s going to stop them?
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Posted: 6/28/2022 8:48:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SCOTUS has no enforcement arm. NY will do as they please. Who’s going to stop them? This. In the near term, at least, this decision is contributing to a disaster for 2A rights in New York State. Particularly those from Upstate. Live fire training requirements? I bet more than a few retired LEOs and county sheriffs are salivating at this new income opportunity. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 9:12:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. In the near term, at least, this decision is contributing to a disaster for 2A rights in New York State. Particularly those from Upstate. Live fire training requirements? I bet more than a few retired LEOs and county sheriffs are salivating at this new income opportunity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SCOTUS has no enforcement arm. NY will do as they please. Who’s going to stop them? This. In the near term, at least, this decision is contributing to a disaster for 2A rights in New York State. Particularly those from Upstate. Live fire training requirements? I bet more than a few retired LEOs and county sheriffs are salivating at this new income opportunity. So we need to do what we did with the safe act... File an injunction to stay the law. We don't just have ammo for an injunction this time, we have a rocket launcher. This time around there's a clear standard of review for the Skretny types. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 10:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So we need to do what we did with the safe act... File an injunction to stay the law. We don't just have ammo for an injunction this time, we have a rocket launcher. This time around there's a clear standard of review for the Skretny types. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 10:12:31 AM EDT
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How would live fire training work for people with disabilities? The deaf not able to hear commands, needing one on one instruction with hand signals or tapping on the shoulder. The wheelchair bound needing unobstructed shooting lanes to accommodate their low sitting positions. Can the ADA apply if it happens?
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Posted: 6/28/2022 10:35:11 AM EDT
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Do they plan to require all this training for the people who already possess a carry permit? How does that work? And let's not forget that there are only TWO types of permits in NYS - premises and carry. Even an administratively restricted permit is a carry permit. Everything else is mumbo-jumbo. I think whatever scheme they are coming up with will mostly apply to NYC residents who want to get a carry permit. Although, you never know with these geniuses.
Also, if I want to carry in my place of worship, who are they to tell me otherwise? And all these private businesses that are automatically exempted from allowing weapons in, are they going to have a safe to deposit people's weapons at the door and take responsibility for them? How about restrictions on weapons on public transportation? If one has no other means to get to a certain place but public transport, not allowing him to carry on public transport is a denial of his right to carry in public as he's forced not to carry by the restriction. This will not pass muster. I hope that there are lawyers sitting with their pens ready to file immediate lawsuits. Who should I send contributions to? We have to get prepared. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:59:38 AM EDT
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They also can't ban carry on subways or buses or public transit...
With text history and tradition you have to make an analogy to something in history, if the technology didn't exist. Did they ban the carry of guns on public highways or wagons or sailboats? Maybe one boat captain somewhere in history didn't let people carry a gun but it's definitely not in keeping with the history or tradition. Sorry try again. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seriously don't get it. Sure seemed like the SCOTUS ruling was abundantly clear. I thought finally after all these years I would have a chance to get a permit without all the BS. At this point, they are absolutely going to make it impossible for a regular guy like me without 37 references from the same county that have known me forever, a class that takes a week + of my time, and a ridiculous fee. Funny, I don't seem to remember them minding me being armed when I was toting a gun for my country. I was more free in the mountains of Afghanistan than I am in my own state. Fuck this place. "Shall not be infringed" was abundantly clear but it took over 100 years for the USSC to give us something but this something still allows infringements in the form of hoops. Like I said in another thread someone needs to confront Kavanaugh and tell him his opinion on licensing is BS because to require this makes the 2nd a secondary right when compared to the First. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:13:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Shall not be infringed" was abundantly clear but it took over 100 years for the USSC to give us something but this something still allows infringements in the form of hoops. Like I said in another thread someone needs to confront Kavanaugh and tell him his opinion on licensing is BS because to require this makes the 2nd a secondary right when compared to the First. Kavanaugh was right though. This case does not address or even ask the question of licensing. But, this decision does tee up a clear challenge to licensing. And we will win. 
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Posted: 6/29/2022 2:08:49 PM EDT
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Here's a list of "sensitive places" that Gov. Hochul says NY will ban guns from:
- Gov't buildings - Health and medical facilities - Places where children gather, incl. daycares, parks, zoos, playgrounds - Public transportation - Polling places - Educational institutions |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 2:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a list of "sensitive places" that Gov. Hochul says NY will ban guns from: - Gov't buildings - Health and medical facilities - Places where children gather, incl. daycares, parks, zoos, playgrounds - Public transportation - Polling places - Educational institutions No history or tradition, no care. Places where children gather? Parks playgrounds zoos? That's some bullshit and has no basis in history. Just makes another soft target zone like schools. And public transportation? Good luck with that NY. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 3:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No history or tradition, no care. Places where children gather? Parks playgrounds zoos? That's some bullshit and has no basis in history. Just makes another soft target zone like schools. And public transportation? Good luck with that NY. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here's a list of "sensitive places" that Gov. Hochul says NY will ban guns from: - Gov't buildings - Health and medical facilities - Places where children gather, incl. daycares, parks, zoos, playgrounds - Public transportation - Polling places - Educational institutions No history or tradition, no care. Places where children gather? Parks playgrounds zoos? That's some bullshit and has no basis in history. Just makes another soft target zone like schools. And public transportation? Good luck with that NY. As I said in another thread, my suspicion is that they will pass these as law and they will stand until the day someone gets arrested and sues the state. The end result of the SCOTUS decision is a net loss for those of us who have already been issued unrestricted pistol licenses. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 6:08:37 PM EDT
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The ruling specifically addressed putting the kinds of excessive requirements such as 15-20 hours of live fire training (and the expense) the legislature is said to be considering. No other shall issue state (which SCOTUS alluded to as the basis, although not ruling on the constitutionality of specific requirements) places those kinds of obstacles on their permit applicants. I therefore look forward to this getting expedited back to the court. Also if they exempt current carry permit holders from any new requirements they will have created an unequal and undo burden on those who in almost all cases passed the same requirements as existing carry permit holders but were denied their right to carry.
By the way, make sure you watch how various people vote in the legislature and remember it when you vote in November. |
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