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Posted: 7/21/2013 3:59:05 PM EDT
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I actually got one of those letters, which has now been rendered null and void for me as to my G19 since Cuomo signed the retiree exemption.
But I called them anyway to break chops. I said I have a G23 that I bought after I retired and it only came with 10 round mags. So how exactly can I prove that I disposed of something I never had in the first place. I got transferred around to several different people, finally they just gave up and said include a letter that you never had a more than 10 round mag. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 4:11:43 PM EDT
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Not a NYC resident, but that letter makes me want to fucking puke. It's no different than the government telling you "You can keep your bible, but you MUST dispose of the last 3 books of the new testament." |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 4:31:17 PM EDT
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You guys in NYC really need to start singing this when you enter the licensing office.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:29:54 PM EDT
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What I love about this is that 10+ mags were already illegal and pre-bans were NEVER legal.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:52:08 PM EDT
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What I love about this is that 10+ mags were already illegal and pre-bans were NEVER legal. Not true. Rifle mags were limited to 5 but pistol mags limited to 15. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:38:36 AM EDT
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The NYC Administrative Code prohibits handgun mags over 17 rounds. Of course you can only possess a mag for a pistol that is on your permit.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:25:54 AM EDT
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The NYC Administrative Code prohibits handgun mags over 17 rounds. Of course you can only possess a mag for a pistol that is on your permit. I guess I was mistaken. However, I thought that the NYPD used Glock 19s instead of 17s because (and this may simply have been an urban legend) the law was 15 round mags and they didn't want to exempt even their own cops. Whatever the law is or was, NYC (and by extension - at the fault of NYC) NYS sucks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:27:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NYC Administrative Code prohibits handgun mags over 17 rounds. Of course you can only possess a mag for a pistol that is on your permit. One of Cuomos unSAFE Act lies when he stated that he was allowing 7 round mags instead of the 5 round mag limit in NYC. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:32:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I was mistaken. However, I thought that the NYPD used Glock 19s instead of 17s because (and this may simply have been an urban legend) the law was 15 round mags and they didn't want to exempt even their own cops. PC Kelly fought a losing battle with the PBA when he wanted to restrict the NYPD to ten round mags. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:02:28 AM EDT
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NYC-NYS, the new East Germany.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:24:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I love about this is that 10+ mags were already illegal and pre-bans were NEVER legal. NYC administrative code says the magazine for pistol can not protrude beyond the grip of the gun. So if you have a 10 round Glock magazine with 1 - 7 rounds in it, and it is in a Glock 26, you are breaking the law, simply by having the mag protrude from the grip. So if you had a Glock 17 and a Glock 26, you were lawful in carrying the G17 with a preban 17 rd mag, but breaking the law sticking that same mag in your G26. If memory serves me correct, in NYC the previous pre-unsafe limit was 17 rounds. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:39:35 AM EDT
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PC Kelly fought a losing battle with the PBA when he wanted to restrict the NYPD to ten round mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I was mistaken. However, I thought that the NYPD used Glock 19s instead of 17s because (and this may simply have been an urban legend) the law was 15 round mags and they didn't want to exempt even their own cops. PC Kelly fought a losing battle with the PBA when he wanted to restrict the NYPD to ten round mags. When Kelly was the police commissioner the first time there were three police departments, NYPD, Transit and Housing. Bratton was the Chief of the Transit Police and he gave them the 9mm first. Housing soon followed and both Transit and Housing used Glock's only with 15 round mags and 147 grain sub sonic hollow points. The NYPD had a pilot program with Sergeant's drivers being issued Ruger's with 15 round mags. When he ended the pilot program and gave all the cop's 9mm's he limited the mags to ten shots and FMJ ammo. He was replaced by Bratton as PC and Bratton gave the NYPD 15 shot mags. Soon after the merger of all three police department occurred and everyone had 15 shot mags but NYPD still had FMJ ammo. After Bratton came Howard Saffer as PC who was a ex fed who ended to ammo controversy by issuing everyone 124 grain JHP's like the feds were using at that time. If he could he would go back to revolvers. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:41:59 AM EDT
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Hopefully the NYSRPA unSAFE Act preliminary injunction will be granted and NYC can shove this letter up their ass.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:54:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he could he would go back to revolvers. Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:53:46 AM EDT
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Sorry guys. My mistake on the handgun limit. That's what happens when you have mostly wheel guns and the ONLY semi (1911).
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Posted: 7/22/2013 8:54:36 AM EDT
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Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he could he would go back to revolvers. Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. I'd be curious to know what load popeye carries in the chief's special on his ankle?  I bet it's not LRN.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:26:19 AM EDT
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I'd be curious to know what load popeye carries in the chief's special on his ankle? I bet it's not LRN.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he could he would go back to revolvers. Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. I'd be curious to know what load popeye carries in the chief's special on his ankle? I bet it's not LRN.In his defense, Kelly might have wanted his cops to carry FMJ loads because he knew what poor marksmen they were (are). Because a FMJ round has a much better chance at over penetrating than a JHP, he probably figured that the bullet would pass right through the innocent bystander they shot and hit the bad guy behind them. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 10:24:29 AM EDT
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I feel like failing to renew permits can lead to a lot more guns that are "untraceable"
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Posted: 7/22/2013 1:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he could he would go back to revolvers. Loaded with 158 gr LRN target rounds. Or the old 200 gr. LRNs. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:13:21 PM EDT
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what puzzles me is how would NYC know you had pre-ban mags in the first place? did you have to register them?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:30:58 PM EDT
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what puzzles me is how would NYC know you had pre-ban mags in the first place? did you have to register them? They don't know. They assume. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:55:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't know. They assume. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: what puzzles me is how would NYC know you had pre-ban mags in the first place? did you have to register them? They don't know. They assume. so you are presumed guilty until you prove yourself innocent? i'm not a lawyer, but that sounds bass ackwards- right?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 3:11:48 AM EDT
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NYC-NYS, the new East Germany Poland . |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:50 AM EDT
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I am fairly sure they require you to bring in your magazines during the "gun inspection" - when you first buy a handgun you have to bring it in for an inspection...and I bet they ask to see all your mags too.
Still not proof of anything. NYC is overstepping, as usual, to try and scare people into submission. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 9:17:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NYC is overstepping, as usual, to try and scare people into submission. The IRS and other .gov regulatory agencies have been using that tactic very effectively for 75+ years. Just wait until 2014 when the unSAFE Act really kicks in. You're going to see numerous highly publicized AW, LCAFD, AFD and ammo related arrests and prosecutions designed to scare the crap out of otherwise lawful NYS gun owner's. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 5:08:11 PM EDT
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The IRS and other .gov regulatory agencies have been using that tactic very effectively for 75+ years. Just wait until 2014 when the unSAFE Act really kicks in. You're going to see numerous highly publicized AW, LCAFD, AFD and ammo related arrests and prosecutions designed to scare the crap out of otherwise lawful NYS gun owner's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NYC is overstepping, as usual, to try and scare people into submission. The IRS and other .gov regulatory agencies have been using that tactic very effectively for 75+ years. Just wait until 2014 when the unSAFE Act really kicks in. You're going to see numerous highly publicized AW, LCAFD, AFD and ammo related arrests and prosecutions designed to scare the crap out of otherwise lawful NYS gun owner's. And the sheep are going to jump up and down and say yay! , and reelect little Mario by a landslide. 
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Posted: 7/24/2013 8:06:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the sheep are going to jump up and down and say yay! , and reelect little Mario by a landslide.  |
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