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Dec 16, 2005 4:35 pm US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (ALBANY) Gov. George Pataki called Friday for a special session of the Legislature to enact tougher gun control laws and protect police officers.

Pataki's call for Wednesday's session comes after two New York City police officers died in separate fatal shootings since Thanksgiving.

Pataki wants to close what he calls loopholes in state law that weaken crimes against illegal gun trafficking. He also proposed what he calls the Crimes Against Law Enforcement Officers Bill, which increases penalties for criminals who injure or kill police officers. The sentences could include the death penalty.

``We have been in discussions with the Senate and Assembly regarding our commonsense proposals that would further protect the brave men and women who wake up each morning and protect our children and families, and make our streets safer,'' Pataki said Friday in a New York City press conference.

``I am hopeful that, working together, we can get more illegal guns off the streets, and ensure those who injure or kill our police officers face the maximum penalties.

``All New Yorkers mourn the loss of New York City Police Officers Dillon Stewart and Daniel Enchautegui,'' Pataki said. ``Their tragic deaths over the past few weeks underscore the need to vote on and pass this critical legislation. We cannot wait.''

Pataki can call the Republican-led Senate and Democrat-led Assembly to special session, but he can't require they vote. The houses would have to arrive at a consensus on bills in the long-contentious issue of gun control before Pataki's proposals could become law.

``The Senate is prepared to act on the governor's proposals, as well as other measures to protect police officers and crack down on illegal firearms,'' said Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno. ``The deaths of two heroic officers is proof enough that we must do more to make our laws tougher and we must do it now.''

There was no immediate comment from Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver.


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Pataki calls for special session on guns laws
By MICHAEL GORMLEY
Associated Press Writer

December 16, 2005, 5:32 PM EST

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Gov. George Pataki called Friday for a special session of the Legislature to enact tougher gun control laws and protect police officers.

Pataki's call for Wednesday's session comes after two New York City police officers died in separate fatal shootings since Thanksgiving.

Pataki wants to close what he calls loopholes in state law that weaken crimes against illegal gun trafficking. He also proposed what he calls the Crimes Against Law Enforcement Officers Bill, which increases penalties for criminals who injure or kill police officers. The sentences could include the death penalty.

"We're going to do everything we can to protect them," Pataki said at a Manhattan news conference. "We owe that to them."

He said all New Yorkers mourn for New York City police officers Dillon Stewart and Daniel Enchautegui.

Under his bill, "You shoot a cop, you go to prison for 20 years ... (and) with our bill, there would be a death penalty for killing a cop. That's common sense."

As for his gun trafficking bill, he said under existing laws if a criminal sells nine illegal guns "you get off on probation. That's outrageous."

Under his proposed bill, "sell one gun, and you will go to jail for seven years. ... The possession of three illegal guns would constitute a felony."

Pataki can call the Republican-led Senate and Democrat-led Assembly to special session, but he can't require they vote. The houses would have to arrive at a consensus on bills in the long-contentious issue of gun control before Pataki's proposals could become law.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver on Friday released a new bill that matches the penalty aspect of Pataki's gun trafficking bill. The entire bill, and any bill addressing those who shoot or kill police, remain under negotiation, said Silver spokesman Charles Carrier.

Silver accused Pataki and Senate Republicans of protecting loopholes in the law because they are doing the bidding of the National Rifle Association, a major lobbying client in Albany. He said those loopholes allow "gun traffickers to evade detection" and contribute to an illegal gun market.

"The Senate is prepared to act on the governor's proposals, as well as other measures to protect police officers and crack down on illegal firearms," said Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno. "The deaths of two heroic officers is proof enough that we must do more to make our laws tougher and we must do it now."

o shit, get ready guys,...start digging holes in the backyard now for ammo, high cap mags, etc....

Dieter,
I suppose that is a legitimate concern, but in the text I only keep seeing references to shooting police officers and trafficking in illegal guns.  If it sticks to that, and we can bring back the death penalty for those miscreants, I will be far from the only one in favor of it.  Its whether the Dems downstate add to it that is my only concern.

Quoted: Its whether the Dems downstate add to it that is my only concern.

And add to it they will, you can be sure of that.

Bruno, Pataki and Silver are all full of it.  NY already has the toughest handgun possession laws in the U.S. The dirt bags who killed these officers were already prohibited under both Federal, NYS AND NYC laws from possessing firearms and ammunition. Both these individuals were committing multiple crimes prior to killing the officers. Steven Armento who killed P.O. Enchautegui was a career criminal with a rap sheet dating back to 1974. Criminals will always have access to firearms by simply stealing them no matter what laws these dip shit politicians propose.

We don't need a death penalty bill for criminals who kill police officers, we need a death penalty bill for criminals who kill anyone in NY while committing a robbery or other designated felony.

You can guarantee that Silver will be tacking on additional gun control provisions targeted specifically at lawful  purchase/possession of firearms and ammunition in NY that has nothing to do with criminal use of firearms.  

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=218028
12. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree when they posses 10 or more firearms (legally or not) and the penalty is a class B felony.

http://www.nra-ila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1835

New York Gun Trafficking Legislation, Contact Your Senator!

Friday, December 16, 2005

Right now in Albany, heated negotiations are taking place on illegal gun trafficking legislation and the outcome could seriously impact the rights of law-abiding gun owners, hunters, sportsmen, and legitimate licensed firearm dealers! In the push between the governor and legislative leaders to come to an agreement on legislation that will severely punish illegal gun traffickers, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-64) is pressing for his laundry list which lets criminals off easy, but seeks to put gun stores out of business, ban .50 calibers, and place further restrictions on legal handgun ownership!

Please contact your State Senator TODAY at (518) 455-2800, and ask him or her to tell Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno (R-43) and Governor George Pataki (R) that the law-abiding will not pay the price, yet again, for the actions of criminals. Say "NO" to Silver’s "Gun Trafficker Protection Act" and "NO" to his attacks on law-abiding citizens!

Some more babble from this NYAGV moron. She's as crazy as a loon with this statement "She said the Assembly plan attacks the root of illegal gun trafficking by taking on the bad apples among gun dealers responsible for 50 percent of guns used by criminals."

What gun dealers are selling handguns to unlicensed people in NYS?  WTF is she talking about. Jacqueline Kuhls you are one stoopid beotch.

"Jacqueline Kuhls, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun
Violence, blasted Pataki for calling the session, saying it shows he
failed to bring the sides together.

"I'm discouraged by it," she said. "I'm disappointed in the governor
because it looks like he has abandoned the negotiating process and is
only looking at legislation that punishes people after somebody's
dead. We're looking at preventative measures."

She said the Assembly plan attacks the root of illegal gun
trafficking by taking on the bad apples among gun dealers responsible
for 50 percent of guns used by criminals. The provisions sought by
the Assembly would require strict record-keeping, liability insurance
of at least $1 million and other new business practices by dealers."

Quoted: Dieter, I suppose that is a legitimate concern, but in the text I only keep seeing references to shooting police officers and trafficking in illegal guns.  If it sticks to that, and we can bring back the death penalty for those miscreants, I will be far from the only one in favor of it.  Its whether the Dems downstate add to it that is my only concern.

Ok and the Assault Weapons ban?  did that make sense?  

Heres a GREAT example...them wanting to ban Hollowpoint pistol ammo in NYC...did you read about their reasoning behind that?  You will be AMAZED....bunch of retards here in NY.

They will take any action they can against guns and gun owners...doesnt matter if it helps to solve the problem or not..they might push for banning "preban" high capacity magazines, claiming one was used by the shooter, and if he had a low capacity mag, then the officer wouldnt of died...etc....anything can happen from instances like this....be careful

Dieter,
Nope the AWB didn't and doesn't make sense, or the balogna about hollow-points, pre-ban and post-ban hi caps, but we are stuck with governmental and bureaucratic stupidity and stupid laws the more the criminals violate and procreate.  What is always ignored is how some of the crazies (DC sniper, Ferguson, etc.) could have killed and injured just as many with a Model 700 or a revolver and speedloaders.
The harshest penalties imaginable for illegal gun trafficking, robbery, assault and all capitol crimes would at least limit or eliminate repeat offenders.  

ALBANY, N.Y. -- Gov. George Pataki called Friday for a special session of the Legislature to enact tougher gun control laws and protect police officers. As if committing a felony against an Officer wasn't already very bad ju-ju.

Pataki wants to close what he calls loopholes in state law that weaken crimes against illegal gun trafficking. He also proposed what he calls the Crimes Against Law Enforcement Officers Bill, which increases penalties for criminals who injure or kill police officers. The sentences could include the death penalty. Having reviewed NY's firearms laws and  Federal provisions, I would like to know what these "loopholes" are?  Are they like the supposed "tax loopholes" for the rich?

"We're going to do everything we can to protect them," Pataki said at a Manhattan news conference. "We owe that to them." That's nice, politicians are always using statements like this to bloster their image

He said all New Yorkers mourn for New York City police officers Dillon Stewart and Daniel Enchautegui.
I'l bet the pecker-heads that shot these guys are only mourning the loss of their freedom

Under his bill, "You shoot a cop, you go to prison for 20 years ... (and) with our bill, there would be a death penalty for killing a cop. That's common sense." Aren't their already some pretty severe laws for shooting someone, especially someone in LE? As for the "death penalty" they'll still spend 20 years and thousands of dollars to find one single speck of useless information to let the guy go or commute his sentence. Don't believe it? Just look at all the cry babys that came out in defence of "Tookie Williams". The death penalty is really only about one thing: Making bad people dead.

As for his gun trafficking bill, he said under existing laws if a criminal sells nine illegal guns "you get off on probation. That's outrageous." But if he sells ten, he's really gonna get a spanking. Hello, criminal Do you think someone bend on breaking the law really gives-a-shit? As long as there's a lucrative market for an item, someone will fill it. Ever read about the 14th Amendment?

Under his proposed bill, "sell one gun, and you will go to jail for seven years. ... The possession of three illegal guns would constitute a felony."   It would be very interesting to see the actual legislation.  Just out of curiosity, how long would it take you to research and write a proposed law?  Seems like this proposed law and all its points were assembles very quickly in relation to the deaths of the two officers...maby this was waiting in the wings for just the situation to introduce it?

Pataki can call the Republican-led Senate and Democrat-led Assembly to special session, but he can't require they vote. The houses would have to arrive at a consensus on bills in the long-contentious issue of gun control before Pataki's proposals could become law. Can you say "died in commitee"? The dick-wads in Albany can't even agree on what time to go to lunch.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver on Friday released a new bill that matches the penalty aspect of Pataki's gun trafficking bill. The entire bill, and any bill addressing those who shoot or kill police, remain under negotiation, said Silver spokesman Charles Carrier. If Silver has anythig to do with it, there'll be all kinds of crap attached to it. Be suspicious, very suspicious

Silver accused Pataki and Senate Republicans of protecting loopholes in the law because they are doing the bidding of the National Rifle Association, a major lobbying client in Albany. He said those loopholes allow "gun traffickers to evade detection" and contribute to an illegal gun market. Silver's just pissed because he doesn't get any money and there's money spent to undermine his authority. Again, I would like to see where these "loopholds" and where all this "illegal traffic" come from...Why isn't BATFE involved?  Is this a case of Interstate Trafficing?

"The Senate is prepared to act on the governor's proposals, as well as other measures to protect police officers and crack down on illegal firearms," said Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno. "The deaths of two heroic officers is proof enough that we must do more to make our laws tougher and we must do it now." Again, more political bravado and boo-hoo ing.  With a minor re-write it could be drugs, gangs, underage drinking, on-time budget,....

As long as there is money to be made and money to be spent. politicians will propose and the lobbiests will pay.