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Posted: 2/20/2006 6:06:42 AM EDT
[#1]
sounds like you need to start at a higher price if you know they are going to ask for 'bottom price'
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Posted: 2/20/2006 6:11:29 AM EDT
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Hey that was me!!! So what is your bottom price?!?!?
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Posted: 2/20/2006 6:53:22 AM EDT
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"let"
I'd sell to them, if they could prove they were state residents with a valid Texas ID, or having an FFL do the transfer at the show to CYA. Being that they don't speak "good" english (LMAO) that would raise a red flag... |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 6:54:52 AM EDT
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And on the next isle, you should have said $300... |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 7:08:02 AM EDT
[#5]
So where should I buy now? 
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:09:32 AM EDT
[#6]
We go to Bachman Pawn, they have bottom price. 
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:10:02 AM EDT
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I have a few basic rules when selling ANY gun. It doesnt matter the buyers skin color, language, etc... but those can be factors.
1. I dont sell if I get an impression from their behavior that they are koo-koo for cocoa puffs. 2. I dont sell if i get an impression from their behavior that they are intoxicated or under the influence. 3. I dont sell if I get an impression from their behavior that they are a felon or desire weapons for criminal intent. 4. I dont sell if I get an impression from their behavior that they are not legal US and Texas residents. I will ask for a Texas DL if I am concerned (never have had to do that). I will use their skin color and language as factors to make presumptions here... it is called "profiling" and it is wise. 5. Last, and most important... I dont sell to individuals walking around gunshows. If you want to be left alone, you just give them a ridiculous "bottom line price" immediately. If they are still interested, then it is either an illegal transaction, or a sting, and you tell them to fuck off. Looking back.... I dont think I have ever stopped a sale of a firearm for any of the above reasons...... All of my transactions have been with very favorable people. I typically like to sell/trade in the EE here, and just require a FTF deal.... always been smooth. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:19:39 AM EDT
[#8]
Socialist racism. TRG |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:42:35 AM EDT
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Exactly. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:52:27 AM EDT
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That's not very nurturing. TRG |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 10:24:17 AM EDT
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I think another criteria for not selling an individual a gun is if there are great gold shapes on their front teeth...
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Posted: 2/20/2006 10:44:17 AM EDT
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Braces? Why not sell to people with "golden braces" 
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Posted: 2/20/2006 10:47:37 AM EDT
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I love the phone calls I receive....
Them: "Hello?" me: I repeat my name Them: "uh, Hello" me: Repeat my name Them: "uh, is this the gun shop?" me: "Yes this is Northwest Houston Tactical, what can I do for you?" Them: "I'm lookin for a 9" me: " a 9mm?" Them: "Yeah" me: "Pistol I guess, not a rifle?" Them: Dead silence as they contemplate a rifle shooting 9mm... me: "Pistol, semi auto in 9mm? Any particular brand" Them: "I wants a Glock" me: "I can order a Glock, but don't have one in stock right now" Them: "When are you ordering them?? me: "Do you want a Glock in 9mm? a Glock 17?" Them: "......................." me: "Glock 9mm is a Glock Model 17...one of them, is that what you want me to order?" Them "When will the 9's be in? When are you going to order them?" me: "I'll order it as soon as you specify what exactly you want, I'll then look up the price and tell you, and if you agree, I'll order it." Them: "How much for a 9?" me: "What kind of 9?" Them: Dead silence me: "Glock 17 in 9mm is $800. " Them: "Ok.....bye" me: "Thanks for the call" Happens about once or twice a month..I used to say 700, but they would then ask if I did "paperwork" on the gun...so, now I just say $800 and they hang up pretty fast |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 10:58:10 AM EDT
[#14]
never had a problem with it since i dont sell my guns
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Posted: 2/20/2006 11:29:44 AM EDT
[#15]
I was NOT refering to braces..... |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:28:37 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted: If they are still interested, then it is either an illegal transaction, or a sting, and you tell them to fuck off. I'm admittedly ignorant here. Do you a duty under the law in a FTF transfer to ensure that the buyer is not a felon or otherwise prohibited from purchasing a firearm. Just curious what the "sting" aspect is??? |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 1:00:41 PM EDT
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No. However, if you sell to someone you *know* is a felon or otherwise prohibited from purchasing.... then you ARE breaking the law. You are NOT required to investigate or collect any informations. That being said.... it is prudent of you to at least casually observe someone you are doing a business transaction with, and if their behavior leads you to believe they are under the influence, nutzo, agitated, or is a felon.... then you shouldnt go through with it. I havent heard of it happening under the ATF with individuals.... but without question the ATF and other law enforcement entities have tried to "test" dealers at shows with illegal sales. They could do the same to indivuduals. How they could make charges stick or not, I dont know. It just pays to use your brain. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 1:58:40 PM EDT
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The sting could work like this. You're a private seller at the gun show. Someone (undercover ATF) walks up to you, chit chats a bit about your gun, haggles hard on the price, seems like a nice guy, and asks if you need to do paperwork for the sale. You say "no, it'll be a private sale", he says "That's cool, I can't really buy from the dealers that want paperwork..." If you still go through with the sale, you'll now commited a felony. I know that there was a guy in Austin who was busted on this particular sting (though he was selling guns through ads in the classifieds rather than at a gun show). My understanding is that the ATF was on to him after two of his customers were arrested for weapons violations and told the ATF where they had bought their guns. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 4:13:54 PM EDT
[#19]
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 4:16:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2006 4:18:42 PM EDT
[#21]
WTF? |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 7:31:16 PM EDT
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mexicans tried to buy my T/A the other day for $5k....and I told them hell no.....and they were mad....I sold it for $8k shortly afterward to army guy who appreciates the car and will not put stupid rims and shit on it...
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:07:44 PM EDT
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not all of us can afford a new build/AR every month.
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Posted: 2/20/2006 8:33:59 PM EDT
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He wuz referring to some Phat Grillz, yo. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 10:12:01 PM EDT
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Most of the hispanics I see look like ranch workers that just need a gun for varments 'N such and legit workers that just want some self defense, others, however are just gangbanging POS.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 3:07:52 AM EDT
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You got it alll wrong. He thought you were cute and wanted to know the price to get your bottom.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:20:32 AM EDT
[#27]
That's funny. I have seen that a few times. Older Mexican, not much English, buying a used .22 or .30-30 that shoots well (and very specific about that) for $125 after 45 minutes of debate (wanting to pay only $120) turning around and buying a nice $450 scope for it and good rings. That is getting to be common around here and I think that it is pretty smart, personally. They obviously want a truck gun. I had a fellow a few weeks ago ask me while we were both buying some Hoppes if I knew of any table with "booler crik" things -- he wanted Butler Creek covers for his scope but it took me a second. He had bought a "varee exx tree" and was very pleased with it. Sensing a gentleman of similar tastes, I walked him back to the last table I saw them at and we chatted a while. he had a Marlin that he had had rebarreled and reloaded for accuracy. In my experience, the old guys immediately produce a driver's licence or a green card so you know that they are legal. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:46:31 AM EDT
[#28]
someone can purchase a firearm with a green card?
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:03:30 PM EDT
[#29]
As far as I know, yes. If you are a resident alien on most other visas you can if you buy a hunting license. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:12:54 PM EDT
[#30]
not from me.. 
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:21:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Right on ADDICTED......Don't sell either, ever the real rough peices of kaka.....Why they make good training aids for me to take apart and redo.................hahaha
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Posted: 2/21/2006 4:37:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Yep all day long from any gunshop. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:23:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Hate to tell this to you guys but..
Im a surgeon and most of the trash that walks through my office front doors is white trash. The majority of "Mexicans" as you all like to call them are honest hard working people who actually try to pay their bills. The majority of people who run on their A/R are the pices of crap white trash I see who play the system and are on welfare/disability.... Im sorry they dont speak perfect English but for those of you who have actually lived in Europe/Asia/Latin America the first price is never the final price. There are different cultures in this world. Im a little embarassed that this thread is even in the Texas forums. I hope each one of you who responded to this thread takes a moment to read what you wrote and thinks about it. I spent 9 years in San Antonio and have nothing but respect for 99.9% of the "Mexicans" that I met. |
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Posted: 2/22/2006 5:19:11 AM EDT
[#34]
Please re-read the thread and think about what you said. Nobody is bashing Hispanics. We are talking about legalities of selling to *potential* illegal aliens. I will admit, the title is misleading. |
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Posted: 2/22/2006 6:00:56 AM EDT
[#35]
What's the difference between doing a FTF deal with some schmoe walking the gun show and doing a FTF deal with some schmoe off the Arfcom EE? I've dealt with each scenario a few times, and to be honest, I get better vibes from the gun show schmoes. |
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Posted: 2/22/2006 7:04:48 AM EDT
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Being of Hispanic heritage (3d generation, born/raised in Dallas), let me just start off by saying that I don't personally take offense to the euphamisms and other references to "Mexicans". I can certainly understand where a lot the sentiment comes from. Case in point: at Big Town this past weekend, I had made my way thru, and ended up near the Bachmann tables back in the corner. There were some empty tables at the far corner, when a lone guy came along with a pisol case and whatever else, sat on one of the empty tables. He was soon surrounded by a group of 7-8 "Mexicans", who start haggling with this poor guy over what he wanted for his pistol. This went on for a short while. I have no idea if he sold his piece or not, perhaps they pooled their $$ together for it, perhaps not. I think I remember seeing a blue pistol case.
Nevertheless, as I frequent the shows, I see this type of behaviour often. To be honest with you, it kinda sickens me, and pisses me off at the same time. I feel like this type of pack mentality gives a collective impression of "guilt by association". I don't like the whole "bottom dollar" syndrome that some people are notorious for, but I think I understand why (limited disposable funds). We had a group yard sale a few years ago, and when we were still setting up (7:00am), this bitch comes along and tries low-balling me on a few different items. I'm like, "come back at 3:00, then we'll talk about bottom dollar". Sighs... I like to think that I spend a little more supporting vendors, when I know I can get it cheaper elsewhere (2nd case in point: I bought a used YH quad rail from SOG that day, and about 10 minutes later, I saw a few new ones at the Delta Force tables, cheaper than the used one at SOG. FUCK!). Nevertheless, it still looks good on my RR A4... Sorry about the stream of consciousness, am still working on this cup of coffee.....
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Posted: 2/22/2006 7:19:05 AM EDT
[#37]
This thread reminds me of a song...
"Out in the west Texas Town of El Paso........" 
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Posted: 2/22/2006 1:41:17 PM EDT
[#38]
I would rather deal with gun show schmoes, myself, as I'm one of 'em. I've never had a bad experience on EE (the few I've done) but with all the gun shows we have around DFW there's just no point in doing EE, even one that results in a FTF which like FALARAK I also prefer. Plus I can see the person I want to buy from or might sell to and walk if I don't like the vibes. And on the original thread, I wouldn't sell a gun to anyone--"Mexican" "Anglo" "Middle Eastern" "Russian" or otherwise if I didn't like the person's looks and thought I might someday see the gun again, in their hand, loaded and pointing at me. |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 1:16:07 PM EDT
[#39]
I think the posters are talking about illegal aliens, not Americans of Hispanic descent-there's a difference you know. Sorry you have such a distaste for whites/ |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 5:08:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Umm ... I was actually talking about people from Mexico, where, ahem, I grew up. You aren't supposed to sell a gun to a foreign national without a green card or a hunting licence in the case of some visas. That is kind of a big deal. And furthermore, I think that a lot of the older men haggle as a passtime. I have seen them do it when there was no reason to haggle whatsoever. Sure, it's a money thing (sometimes, again I have seen a lot of folk putting nice glass on truck guns), but also customary. The original poster should have responded to the "bottom price" offer by saying that it should really be $300 and he could hardly bear to part with it. The fellow would have then said "$300! That's crazy! I am sorry for the hardship that forces you to part with [whatever]! How about $220?" and so on. Spend ten minutes, have fun, and sell it for $250. |
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Posted: 2/23/2006 6:09:58 PM EDT
[#41]
 We don't like you either, cracker. |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 2:00:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Hey, cool out. There's all kinds of trash and white can be just as trashy as anybody else. BTW I'm as white as they come and I'm not offended. Why are you?? |
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Posted: 2/24/2006 4:30:14 PM EDT
[#43]
It's just a joke. I'm not offended.Just pointing out that it seems kinda funny to use a racial slur to defend another ethnicity. 
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Posted: 2/25/2006 11:49:06 AM EDT
[#44]
A TX DL is absolutely NO indication of legal immigration status! |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 4:26:36 PM EDT
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If i'm not shipping the gun to an FFL then I want to see a CHL. I dont care about your race, religion, etc...
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Posted: 2/25/2006 7:41:13 PM EDT
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I work as a procurement director so I haggle for the fun of it. While I am not from a culture that haggles I enjoy it non the less and it makes the sale more interesting sometimes.
There is a huge difference from low-balling (which BTW is not haggling and IS offensive). There is no harm asking for the lowest price...You would be suprised the things you can save $$$ on just by asking. |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 10:29:38 PM EDT
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they need to F-ing speak English. Yeah it's a big world and there are different cultures . . . mexico has it's "culture" and we have ours. If they come to the US, they shouldn't expect us to change OUR culture to suit them. I wouldn't move to Finland and expect ALL of them to adjust their culture to suit me or for ALL of them to learn MY language. And yet, for some reason I just can't understand, these Mexicans expect us to do that. A lot of these people are illegal, as in breaking our laws. They don't pay taxes, they don't pay for social security, they don't pay FICA. They have ZERO respect for our culture or MANNERS. As far as selling to them if they get a hunting license. That's some sorta exception they can get if they're just visiting the country, NOT if they're residents! It's for people who visit the country to hunt. They can get their hunting license and a gun to hunt with. If they are residents, but not citizens, they have to provide bills such as utility bills for the last three consecutive months to prove their residency. From your post it seems to me like you're saying we're bad people 'cause we want people to speak English and obey our laws. They flout our laws. The FIRST thing they do when they come in is break our laws. They don't respect the sover . .. . . . . okay well this all belongs on a different thread doesn't it? Do I sell to "Mexicans"? If I can communicate with them, if THEY are legal and the sale is legal, and the don't seem like gang banger punks, then Yes I sell to them. I've sold to some and I've turned some down. |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 1:26:04 PM EDT
[#48]
I don't have anything with a rattlesnake skin forearm anyway.
Debo |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 2:55:20 PM EDT
[#49]
QUE ??????????
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Posted: 2/26/2006 3:37:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Well being the Mexican that I am, I have no problems selling guns to Good Ole Boys. The last two sales I've done were to white guys who both asked me asked me for a better deal and it didn't bother me a bit. I wonder if they had problems buying their guns from a Mexican...hmmm
I just used this as an example as I have no problems selling and buying guns to/from anyone. I think some of us are lacking a little on our social skills and are of a little narrower minds. It's free enterprise, you don't like the deal either selling or buying just walk away. Can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time
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