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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:19:27 AM EDT
Read on Yahoo News that the Deputy Chief of New Orleans Police is instructing all N.O.P.D. and National Guard units to consficate every gun they can find from the homeowners remaining in New Orleans.
Ummmm??? Didn't there used to be a thing called the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS that said you had to have a court issued warrant to arrest innocent homeowners in their own homes for doing nothing more than owning legal firearms in defense of their families???? I didn't think the Jackboots could kick in your door and take your guns without atleast a pretense of a crime. Anybody know what "Charges" they could use to just march uninvited into your home, cuff you (for your own protections of course!!), take your guns, and then decide if they wanted to let you go??? I used to think this was America, Land of the Free. Evidently welcome to 1984 the Police State! I guess that the N.O.P.D. (those who weren't looting or had fled like cowards) are back on the timeclock - Not going after the Bad Guys (heck the Bad Guys are all in Texas Now!!!) But disarming the population who had the nerve to take up legal arms in the defense of the community when the Police were nowhere to be found. Even sadder to hear that the United States National Guard Troops from many states are also following these same policies! Guess it never hurts to train the troops now for their upcoming service with Madam President Hillary later. What SCUM!!!! BIGGER_HAMMER Yahoo News Story - Gun Confiscations in New Orleans |
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Here is the NYTIME article
Link Here is a nice quote:
And here is a pic from the article I call "We are from the government and we are here to help" |
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Scarry. I hate to say it, but if was there my policy wold be, "You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands."
Ben, The(IAintGivingUpMyShit)Emu |
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Let's do our part and write to our Congessmen/women, or anyone who can voice their opinion....Now. For starters: Cornyn, John- (R - TX) Class II 517 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-2934 Web Form: cornyn.senate.gov/contact/index.html Hutchison, Kay- (R - TX) Class I 284 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5922 Web Form: hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm |
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For your US Rep in your area: www.house.gov/writerep/ Write now and convey your outrage about the illegal confiscation in NOLA.... |
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Already done Mojo, already done.
Arfcomers we can not let what's happening to the people in LA be used as an example of what government can do during an emergency situtation. If they are allowed to continue to confiscate the firearms of law abiding citizens due to Katrina, they will try it again and again until it becomes a standard reaction in any emergency. Do you think these people are going to be getting them back? HELL NO! More than likely the gun collections of a few corrupt NO police are going to get very big at the expense of their citizens freedoms, freedoms which they are employed to protect. Gentlemen let your voices be heard now, write your Congressmen and Senators. Let them know how you feel about what is happening to your brother Americans, in America. Do not fail them as thier government already has. |
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If you're a member of TSRA, then contact them so they can convey the message to appropriate people, i.e...Reps and Senators in TX. Write or call now, so hopefully sh!tstorm like this won't happen in our near future. |
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What would the Dallas Police do if they were ordered to do the same? For instance if we had a similar situation with some kind of bio attack. Would the majority of Dallas Police officers obey those orders? |
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yes and kill you in the process if you resisted.... This is why I keep saying when confiscation happens, nobodies going to do shit. they're going to go along with it out of fear. Nobody's got the guts anymore because if they did there'd be a whole group of people in NOLA right now killing a few certain constitution-violating motherfuckers....... but there isn't and never will be. |
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I have to beleive that any National Guard doing this have no idea what their chain of command is. The city of New Orleans sure isn't in it! ...and yes, this is very disturbing. I'll leave it at that. |
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Don't know which idea saddens me more but either way, is this what we have really come to? Is this how we are ultimately going to go out? I'd like to think not but I never, ever judge a person by their words but rather by their actions.....or lack there of. In this case I think he is right - it looks like capitulation will happen for sure, sooner or later |
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it will and funny enough my reaction plan to it doesn't include violence at all.(don't ask) |
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Large thread on this in the Survival Forum, also....loads of concern by all...
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hey fellow Texans!
I have emailed both Sens Hutchinson and Cornyn as well as the NRA and our own TSRA. We need to ensure that our voice is heard! So please everyone contact our senators, NRA and TSRA and anyone else you can think of. We Texans should never have our guns confiscated! |
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FYI, the NRA responded to this issue a couple of days ago:
Since their political power is nothing more than as a lobbying group, I think this is the perfect response. We certainly don't need any more finger pointing right now. If any government officials are violating the Constitution, it needs to be addressed. There's not much that can be done by the NRA right now, though, I'm afraid... |
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NRA's political power is us. They have the voice. We have the votes. Both are absolutely essential to maintaining one's rights in our society.
I think their response is very carefully crafted--it can't be too harsh in criticizing NO and LA officials at this moment, yet it must take notice of the alarming implications of gun confiscation. It must also say very clearly that NRA will be closely monitor the situation. Has anyone gotten the idea that the only way to be safe in New Orleans is to barricade themselves inside their homes--barricade themselves against the people who are supposed to be protecting them? |
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Video of house-house gun searches/confiscations:
http://media.putfile.com/NewOrleansGunConfiscationSmall |
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Made it hot. |
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New Orleans is soon going to be realized to be a greater tragedy than any of us ever likely thought.
The difficulties ahead in rebuilding the City will pale in comparison to those in rebuilding confidence in the National Guard. They are the 'citizen-soldiers' who live and work among us. What they did was simple treason. No more, no less. They violated their sworn duty to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. And they NOT only miserably failed to protect the citizens of New Orleans...they forcefully violated the essential rights of the very citizens whose rights they had sworn to protect. Eric The(AlwaysReasonable)Hun |
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I can testify that most National Guard Troops consider themselves to be Soldiers First - Citizens Second.
The idea of getting rough and tough appeals to them, especially since there are unlikely to be any serious resistance (Where are all those damned Hadiji Suicide Bombers when you REALLY need them!!! I served in the Guard in an M.P. Unit - with a large part of our mission being "Crowd Control" and "Urban Pacification". It was scary that more than a few troopers wanted the S.H.T.F. in the US so they could pop a few caps at their fellow citizens - (well they imagined them as rioters, looters, arsonist, etc...) But it was stone cold scarey to hear these guys imagine urban combat aqainst citizens of their own country. Not Somalis, Not Commie Cubans, Not North Koreans, but folks from the good ol' U.S.A.!! Remember that when some says "I'm From The Government - And I'm Here to Help" Watch their lips... If they were moving then they were lieing!! BIGGER_HAMMER |
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I really wonder what would happen if something like this took place in Texas, especially against a middle or upper-middle class WASP type folks. Seriously. Would the PoPo try to taek guns from US?
Would we/you let them? I would hope/think that the "resistance" would be higher here in Texas. For the record: no WAY would they get mine. Not while I'm alive. I'm not kidding. CMOS |
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Sadly, I'm afraid that the result would be the same that we are seeing in NO. In such a messed up situation, where the government swoops in, with no communications, you'll basically be left to give up the goods, or be buried and branded as a "resistor" or thug. So many people value the security of their daily lives and weekly income, that they would hardly dare to be the one to put up resistance. Much easier to hand over the arms, and fight in court later. We are a nation based on lawsuits now. |
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Well, for me - if I just "gave em up" I would not be able to live with myself so I prefer to, potentially, die in my efforts to remain free. CMOS |
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That is, quite frankly, one of the saddest things that I have ever seen posted at ARFCOM! Thanks for sharing that with us....we all need to know where our fellow countrymen stand. And, apparently, some would like to stand with their government-issued boots on our neck! Eric The(Orwellian)Hun |
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You must have missed the video of the confiscation from the folks that were living in what appeared to be multi-million dollar mansions. The more money you have, the more likely you will comply since you have so much to lose. Of course, the more money you have, the more likely you can just call up the chief, and make the problem go away. |
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BOXES!
Americans!---first we have used the SOAP BOX, aka: InterNet, then We used the BALLOT BOX, will we be forced by the tyranny of government and the corrupt big media to use the CARTRIDGE BOX? "Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the streets of New Orleans. Gentlemen may cry: "Peace--Peace," but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from Washington in the North will bring to our ears the resounding clash of arms! Why stand we here idle? "Is life so dear and peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? FORBID IT ALMIGHTY GOD! "I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" 23 March 1775 Patrick Henry Commonwealth of Virginia |
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Good point. They wouldn't want to do that to me. I don't have a family, and I don't have much in the way of "stuff." Therefore, I don't fear "losing" things. No way would they take my firearms. CMOS |
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In continuing with this thought about the AUTHORITIES grabbing the guns, I was discussing the "Stand Off" at the bridge heading out of N.O. through GRETNA LA.
A couple of folks who are E.M.T.s from the Bay Area were in NO for a professional covention and meeting. Couldn't get out of NO (flights booked, no rental cars) so hotel (in high ground of the French Quarter put them up for the storm. After the Hurricane passed, the hotel had no clean water or sewage, nor food so they told the guests they would have to leave and make their way out. Anyway the NO police lied to them that they could walk out over the bridge to the mainland at Gretna. Gretan Shereffis Dept. post a blockage at the highway and threatens to shoot to kill anyone trying to escape NO!! When did our law enforcement become heartless nazis or worse???? The story was on NPR and a couple of other press outlets too. I am former military and as conservative as they come (my wife says I to the right of Atilla the Hun and just left of Ghengis Khan!!" but even I was moved by these good peoples plight trying to survive a disaster and then the worse effects of an out of control police state. The Nazis (oops meant Gretna Police could do this because they knew that THEY had the guns and the people did not. I'll be keeping my powder dry and my clips loaded from here on out! BIGGER_HAMMER My faith in our Govt. institutions was faint - Now it has Fainted! |
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Guys--
Big Hammer + CMOS got it right. What in the bloody hell went on? Laws constantly ignored--worst yet, brute force applied to plain folk. We gotta raise some holy hell, or else the next flood, tornado, or blizzard, you and me are gonna be disarmed and looking down the barrel of a gun--LEO/NAT GD or crooks! I can't help but think of that hurricane that hit Galveston in 1900, where we lost 6,000. Did anyone take away people's guns? Hell no! |
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